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Do not change wings!
KingLogix
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My mag sorc pops mag dks with curse, rune cage, and perfected ayslum weaves with infused oblivion. Why do I run asylum over master? Because that's my way of working around wings.. I now have to give up an extra slot for a CC. Keep wings the way they are.
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Hi, I'm an MDK and I feel entitled to be completely immune to ranged damage. Not only that, but they deserve it BACK!25 -
KingLogix✭✭✭Hi, I'm an MDK and I feel entitled to be completely immune to ranged damage. Not only that, but they deserve it BACK!
You sure aren't immune to curse, endless fury, rune cage, and force pulse weaves from a perfected asylum destro!
all 4 are technically damage that can be done from range
I pop magdks on my mag sorc running necro/lich/bloodspawn/asylum destro
AND yes. I also have a magdk that I enjoy playing as well..3 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Okay, but give magblade an internal delayed burst (or make bow proc unreflectable) and make cripple also unreflectable.
“Slot FP” on magblade is lulz11 -
KingLogix✭✭✭Okay, but give magblade an internal delayed burst (or make bow proc unreflectable) and make cripple also unreflectable.
“Slot FP” on magblade is lulz
This is a better comment! I love compromise. fair enough. An unreflectable bow would help with mag nb pain pointEdited by KingLogix on April 5, 2019 10:11PM0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Hi, I'm an MDK and I feel entitled to be completely immune to ranged damage. Not only that, but they deserve it BACK!
You sure aren't immune to curse, endless fury, rune cage, and force pulse weaves from a perfected asylum destro!
all 4 are technically damage that can be done from range
I pop magdks on my mag sorc running necro/lich/bloodspawn/asylum destro
AND yes. I also have a magdk that I enjoy playing as well..
Awesome! What's your magblade combo? Or do I need to farm some high end PVE raid just to be able to fight your MDK with force pulse?Edited by Minalan on April 5, 2019 10:44PM11 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pretty much everything will be changing and this we are just getting started. I do not think this will be the end of the change for this new "vision" for combat in ESO.3 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Current Magblade combo vs wing spammer:
Resto LA>Resto LA>Resto LA>Cloak Tf away.... incredibly effective burst combo.21 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Current Magblade combo vs wing spammer:
Resto LA>Resto LA>Resto LA>Cloak Tf away.... incredibly effective burst combo.
Or use blockade, impulse and crushing. You’ll still lose but at least you can fight back.
Edited by Iskiab on April 5, 2019 11:13PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten6 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
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Cool, so magsorc is the only other class you are considering here.Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info4 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pretty much everything will be changing and this we are just getting started. I do not think this will be the end of the change for this new "vision" for combat in ESO.
This.
Be ready for a LOT of changes people.
We will all be sad together when we see the Elsweyr Live patch notes. But, we will survive after the shock as always.
Just hoping they will keep class identity skills still fun & efficient to use even if they would be different from before. Change does not always need to be so huge nerf that the skill is not even used anymore.
If the change to 50% projectile mitigation goes through.. it will be a huge buff to my playstyle atleast.2 -
KingLogix✭✭✭For all the mag NBs complaining that I am asking for to much
how about we remove invis from cloak and just allow you to take 50% less damage from ranged abilities. 1 -
wheem_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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In the upper MMR Battlegrounds at least, I don't think there are very many decent Nightblade players that would turn that down.For all the mag NBs complaining that I am asking for to much how about we remove invis from cloak and just allow you to take 50% less damage from ranged abilities.3 -
KingLogix✭✭✭
In the upper MMR Battlegrounds at least, I don't think there are very many decent Nightblade players that would turn that down.For all the mag NBs complaining that I am asking for to much how about we remove invis from cloak and just allow you to take 50% less damage from ranged abilities.
Such a small handful though, respectively. Those mag nbs also dont complain much about wings, because they are so in sync with bow and knowing when to proc it on magdks tbh. It's the 80% of mag nbs that feel wings nullify their builds.Edited by KingLogix on April 6, 2019 6:18AM1 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭For all the mag NBs complaining that I am asking for to much how about we remove invis from cloak and just allow you to take 50% less damage from ranged abilities.
To be honest, i would be ok with that... if magblade had any chance of surviving in light armor. If there were no one-shot stamblades around and vampire would take a little less fire damage and my damage was better so i could compete in PvP without everyone healing / shielding / winging through my damage sure, i don't care what cloak does. But as it currently stands, without cloak a (melee) magblade is toast in light armor, especially if your also a vampire. And the damage is not even enough to gank from cloak.
There is a reason so few magblades are around these days (and so many stamblades or even DK's)Edited by Knootewoot on April 6, 2019 6:23AM٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."4 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Moonsorrow wrote: »Pretty much everything will be changing and this we are just getting started. I do not think this will be the end of the change for this new "vision" for combat in ESO.
This.
Be ready for a LOT of changes people.
We will all be sad together when we see the Elsweyr Live patch notes. But, we will survive after the shock as always.
Just hoping they will keep class identity skills still fun & efficient to use even if they would be different from before. Change does not always need to be so huge nerf that the skill is not even used anymore.
If the change to 50% projectile mitigation goes through.. it will be a huge buff to my playstyle atleast.
IDK, I, for one, am looking forward to these changes.
Wings did get clipped, but this new one could be alright with some tweaking (cost would need to be reduced or the snare immunity needs to go up a tiny bit, IMO).
Molten Whip looks great, if the numbers are right, I'm switching away from Flame Lash.
The new root immunity is unfortunately a nerf to magDK, but with the new Molten Whip, we won't be as reliant on CC to set up our combos.
Even the new Skoria telegraph looks alright, because it makes it easier for us to combo with.0 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭For all the mag NBs complaining that I am asking for to much how about we remove invis from cloak and just allow you to take 50% less damage from ranged abilities.
Most magblades wanted cripple to not be reflected, until dk‘s started crying and saying cloak should make it so you take 50% less DoT dmg( not all dmg or ranged just DoT’s lmao)no invis..nothing
That’s where you guys lost me..you wanna play like that then let it all burn, didn’t realize cripple was asking for too much. My bad2 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I won't be missing wings, or the myth that a stam DK cannot sustain it
Similar myth though: "stam NBs can only cloak 3-4 times"
Can't wait to see the day cloak is nerfed to say the same thing.4 -
wheem_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Is there some single location where you're seeing all the changes that are listed so far? I've seen bits and pieces here and there from the Boston event, but I'm sure there's a lot that I've missed.Moonsorrow wrote: »Pretty much everything will be changing and this we are just getting started. I do not think this will be the end of the change for this new "vision" for combat in ESO.
This.
Be ready for a LOT of changes people.
We will all be sad together when we see the Elsweyr Live patch notes. But, we will survive after the shock as always.
Just hoping they will keep class identity skills still fun & efficient to use even if they would be different from before. Change does not always need to be so huge nerf that the skill is not even used anymore.
If the change to 50% projectile mitigation goes through.. it will be a huge buff to my playstyle atleast.
IDK, I, for one, am looking forward to these changes.
Wings did get clipped, but this new one could be alright with some tweaking (cost would need to be reduced or the snare immunity needs to go up a tiny bit, IMO).
Molten Whip looks great, if the numbers are right, I'm switching away from Flame Lash.
The new root immunity is unfortunately a nerf to magDK, but with the new Molten Whip, we won't be as reliant on CC to set up our combos.
Even the new Skoria telegraph looks alright, because it makes it easier for us to combo with.
And I don't think Wings needs a cost reduction if it's really going to be 50% damage reduction vs Projectiles for 6 seconds + unlimited charges. Some form(s) of improved mobility may be warranted, but not a greater ability to sit on top of other immobile specs, doing +25% extra damage while being almost impervious to much of their counter-pressure.3 -
Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
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"Hi I am a magblade main and feel entitled to get everything nerfed that I dont want to deal with despite These nerfs doing Nothing About all the nerfs my class has received recently and once this has gone through I will go and demand the next Thing I dont like be nerfed until it happens all while my class is still not buffed but I couldnt care less as Long as everyone else suffers"Hi, I'm an MDK and I feel entitled to be completely immune to ranged damage. Not only that, but they deserve it BACK!
Sounds stupid doesnt it? But that is exactly what all the "but my pewpew doesnt go through wings" magblades dont realize. Nerfing wings wont help you much, you will still be left with all the nerfs to your class, you will just be left with the Illusion that you will now perform better because one counter is gone. But you wont perform better against anything that is not a mdk.
Shimmering Shield will still *** you completely, so thats the next on the list I assume. You still wont see the light of the day against any stam builds, you still will loose a ranged 1v1 to magsorcs, you still have easily predictable, delayed burst, you still have lacking healing, you still can get perma snared like just About any mag build that is not Vamp, melee magblade is still weak.
So tell me again how wings being changed to no longer reflect but instead reduce ranged Damage makes your class good again?
Wings is just one scapegoat for you and once that is gone you will turn to the next until everything that counters ranged or whatever you want to do on your magblade is gone. Doesnt Sound like healthy balancing does it?
Edited by Sanguinor2 on April 6, 2019 8:00AMPoliteness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.2 -
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Is there some single location where you're seeing all the changes that are listed so far? I've seen bits and pieces here and there from the Boston event, but I'm sure there's a lot that I've missed.Moonsorrow wrote: »Pretty much everything will be changing and this we are just getting started. I do not think this will be the end of the change for this new "vision" for combat in ESO.
This.
Be ready for a LOT of changes people.
We will all be sad together when we see the Elsweyr Live patch notes. But, we will survive after the shock as always.
Just hoping they will keep class identity skills still fun & efficient to use even if they would be different from before. Change does not always need to be so huge nerf that the skill is not even used anymore.
If the change to 50% projectile mitigation goes through.. it will be a huge buff to my playstyle atleast.
IDK, I, for one, am looking forward to these changes.
Wings did get clipped, but this new one could be alright with some tweaking (cost would need to be reduced or the snare immunity needs to go up a tiny bit, IMO).
Molten Whip looks great, if the numbers are right, I'm switching away from Flame Lash.
The new root immunity is unfortunately a nerf to magDK, but with the new Molten Whip, we won't be as reliant on CC to set up our combos.
Even the new Skoria telegraph looks alright, because it makes it easier for us to combo with.
And I don't think Wings needs a cost reduction if it's really going to be 50% damage reduction vs Projectiles for 6 seconds + unlimited charges. Some form(s) of improved mobility may be warranted, but not a greater ability to sit on top of other immobile specs, doing +25% extra damage while being almost impervious to much of their counter-pressure.
Most of it was said in one of Dottz's previous streams, as he attended the Elsweyr preview event and played around with the patch.0 -
Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭When i play dragonknight i am pretty much immune to ranged damage. It really feels a bit overpowered.6 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Moonsorrow wrote: »Pretty much everything will be changing and this we are just getting started. I do not think this will be the end of the change for this new "vision" for combat in ESO.
This.
Be ready for a LOT of changes people.
We will all be sad together when we see the Elsweyr Live patch notes. But, we will survive after the shock as always.
Just hoping they will keep class identity skills still fun & efficient to use even if they would be different from before. Change does not always need to be so huge nerf that the skill is not even used anymore.
If the change to 50% projectile mitigation goes through.. it will be a huge buff to my playstyle atleast.
IDK, I, for one, am looking forward to these changes.
Wings did get clipped, but this new one could be alright with some tweaking (cost would need to be reduced or the snare immunity needs to go up a tiny bit, IMO).
Molten Whip looks great, if the numbers are right, I'm switching away from Flame Lash.
The new root immunity is unfortunately a nerf to magDK, but with the new Molten Whip, we won't be as reliant on CC to set up our combos.
Even the new Skoria telegraph looks alright, because it makes it easier for us to combo with.
Playing all classes equally, so meant that for sure many big changes gonna come that most likely gonna feel painful. Change itself is not painful, but i have a feeling not all the changes will be that balanced, some specs will be loosing way more than gaining or getting in return.
I sure wish stamsorc getting some love. Still, will not be surprised if its somehow nerfed even more lol.
I hope for the best and expect the worst.
Skills with new functions/morphs will be fun to use though so there is that. 0 -
StShoot✭✭✭✭Moonsorrow wrote: »Pretty much everything will be changing and this we are just getting started. I do not think this will be the end of the change for this new "vision" for combat in ESO.
This.
Be ready for a LOT of changes people.
We will all be sad together when we see the Elsweyr Live patch notes. But, we will survive after the shock as always.
Just hoping they will keep class identity skills still fun & efficient to use even if they would be different from before. Change does not always need to be so huge nerf that the skill is not even used anymore.
If the change to 50% projectile mitigation goes through.. it will be a huge buff to my playstyle atleast.
IDK, I, for one, am looking forward to these changes.
Wings did get clipped, but this new one could be alright with some tweaking (cost would need to be reduced or the snare immunity needs to go up a tiny bit, IMO).
Molten Whip looks great, if the numbers are right, I'm switching away from Flame Lash.
The new root immunity is unfortunately a nerf to magDK, but with the new Molten Whip, we won't be as reliant on CC to set up our combos.
Even the new Skoria telegraph looks alright, because it makes it easier for us to combo with.
i dont know if i can afford to loose the healing from flamelash =/ with the reflect gone and those debuffs incomiming i will need it more than before, so molten whip is a no go for me0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Working around wings is just perfect reason to change wings right there, probably not something you were aiming at with the thread. Hard counters that literally decide fight or at least your build choice is what they are going away with I bet 3
