SA meta

Iskiab

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

In relation to mitigating SA:

Heavy armor better supports block through, higher mitigation, higher health and healing received, and resource return not limited by block.

Light armor offers Higher spell resists, increased mag recovery(not affected by block), increase spell crit(better heals), and a temporary health bump through absorb which allows for more universal burst mitigation. Magicka offers better burst heals across all classes and more healing potential with less direct sustain counters. Resource poisons affect both pools equally, however only stam recovery stops from block, and the only mitigation mechanic with a stacking cost increase is dodge roll which also costs stam.

Medium armor offers increased healing from stam scaling sources(rally, vigor) through increase to crit and weapon damage, increased stam recovery, and reduction in dodge roll costs.



SA is not dodgeable so reduced dodge roll costs does nothing for medium, blocking not only has a high cost but cuts off the stam recovery nullifying that benefit from medium, and stam heals are not strong enough to rely on powerful healing. Both heavy and light have significantly better passives for countering SA and as such feel little hurt from it.

Med is fine against SA, IF the SA is used at a poor time, there is nearby LOS, they are only fighting 1 player. Using SA at a poor time is the least of the users worries as it is a cheap ult that is up relatively quickly, especially on MagSorcs. Telling med armor to just block it, is disingenuous as it does not account for the complete lack of support for blocking in med and the negating of med armor passive from blocking.

SA does not have as widespread use as other ultimates because it is primarily effective versus medium armor builds, and less effective versus other builds. This leads to continued discrepancies in opinions related to SA.

The best change I have heard, and myself offered at times to the SA issue is to decrease the number of ticks and increase the damage per tick. This will yield the same overall damage but make it less punishing to block.

Plus light has snare reduction. Subtle but I like it.

heavier

technohic wrote: »

It seems like this ability comes up from time to time after long periods of not seeing it at all in death recaps. We then see a few randoms trying to hit the numbers and running it here and there but then it disappears again. Sure we'll see Ballista pop back up again as well shortly after.

It's a cycle of on again off again depending on how often people just LOS just for a second to waste an ultimate.

avoiding LoS is pretty easy, even if there are obstacles. just get close enough to cast it so you can follow them to maintain LoS.
maybe it's that people have figured to roll penetration in combination with SA...

_Ahala_

Soul Assault is a little too good against medium armor builds and yet rather ineffective against properly build light and heavy setups... it should have its damage reduced by 35% and then made to ignore resistances... this would be a buff against high resistance targets and a nerf against low resistance targets...

On the topic of soul assault the other morph shatter soul needs to be changed so that if the enemy dies during the channel the explosion is triggered as opposed to if the target dies precisely due to a damage tick from shatter soul... this would be a buff to solo players and a nerf to tightly packed ball groups

heavier

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Soul Assault is a little too good against medium armor builds and yet rather ineffective against properly build light and heavy setups... it should have its damage reduced by 35% and then made to ignore resistances... this would be a buff against high resistance targets and a nerf against low resistance targets...

great minds think alike, yours and mine

_Ahala_ wrote: »

On the topic of soul assault the other morph shatter soul needs to be changed so that if the enemy dies during the channel the explosion is triggered as opposed to if the target dies precisely due to a damage tick from shatter soul... this would be a buff to solo players and a nerf to tightly packed ball groups

yea or have give it an execute at the end, so if it ticks while the player is below 20% HP, it has a bigger tick or ticks more frequently for the same dps...all to increase the chances of it killing them...
maybe a requirement of them dying in the last second of channel would be better? it just seem like their soul should shatter if the channel isn't what did them in, or at least pushed them over the edge.

heavier

I honestly feel sorry when I hit a medium armor build with SA and they're helpless...like dude I'm medium armor and I completely respect your build sorry to cheese you like this.
jk but when I die to SA in my medium armor heavy armor hybrid build, it feels kinda cheap.
is there any legit reason to roll 7 medium armors or is medium armor build a blanket term that also covers people with 2 heavies with the corresponding medium bonuses for 5.

Kadoin

Strange, never had a problem with the skill unless 3+ was on me, even in no-CP.

Iskiab

heavier wrote: »

I honestly feel sorry when I hit a medium armor build with SA and they're helpless...like dude I'm medium armor and I completely respect your build sorry to cheese you like this.
jk but when I die to SA in my medium armor heavy armor hybrid build, it feels kinda cheap.
is there any legit reason to roll 7 medium armors or is medium armor build a blanket term that also covers people with 2 heavies with the corresponding medium bonuses for 5.

Blanket term, or I’ve been using it that way.

I wouldn’t feel cheap about it too. Just like how stamblade gankers and prox det are like a gear checks to make sure people are wearing pvp gear, SA is a gear check on the gankers to make sure they aren’t running all divines or something stupid for a crazy burst gank build.

mursie

someone already hit it - but:

pet mag sorc is doing extremely well right now. SA on a pet mag sorc is extremely cheap and effective. pet mag sorc has the mobility to negate the LOS issues and make SA even more effective.

i'll be getting SA on pet mag sorc this weekend.

THANKS ADRESTIA!

TheBonesXXX

Anyron wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

It hits hard for a simplistic ultimate that's cheap.

Not a fan of undodgeable skills, no. I'm not a stamblade.

It is dodgeable. Only it isnt broken when it miss. So you can get hit (for example) by 2ticks, then roll, 3 ticks dodged and 3 ticks hit

That's what I mean by dodgeable. I don't care for the design.

Prefer it be a soulbolt and be done with it.

magblade88

heavier wrote: »

I like that it's uninterruptible because it's a nice break from CC hell (ESO pvp at any other moment when not channeling SA or rite of passage)

in OP I was memeing that I've noticed a big increase since I started using it and that I am a meta player

Vapirko wrote: »

very bad players.

what are these?

When did Sa become uninterruptible?
I use it as my main damage ultimate, but I remember that it could be interupted by bash. Most ppl just go into deer in the headlights mode not knowing how to react.

I do enjoy that flame reach Sa combo. Gets me a lot of kills. Those 19k health bowtards melt fast.

Lord-Otto

magblade88 wrote: »

heavier wrote: »

I like that it's uninterruptible because it's a nice break from CC hell (ESO pvp at any other moment when not channeling SA or rite of passage)

in OP I was memeing that I've noticed a big increase since I started using it and that I am a meta player

Vapirko wrote: »

very bad players.

what are these?

When did Sa become uninterruptible?
I use it as my main damage ultimate, but I remember that it could be interupted by bash. Most ppl just go into deer in the headlights mode not knowing how to react.

I do enjoy that flame reach Sa combo. Gets me a lot of kills. Those 19k health bowtards melt fast.

Quite some while ago. When dodge meta was at its peak. Think that was Morrowind, but not entirely sure. Reasoning was that ultimates shouldn't be so easily wastable.

Checked it. Was One Tamriel. They also made it blockable then.

SirMewser

Anyron wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

It hits hard for a simplistic ultimate that's cheap.

Not a fan of undodgeable skills, no. I'm not a stamblade.

It is dodgeable. Only it isnt broken when it miss. So you can get hit (for example) by 2ticks, then roll, 3 ticks dodged and 3 ticks hit

No SA it not dodgeable, thats moot.

Insco851

My favorite part of SA is when you get TWO at once. Just start laughing cuz it’s over. Say a prayer in the couple of seconds you got left.

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

My favorite part of SA is when you get TWO at once. Just start laughing cuz it’s over. Say a prayer in the couple of seconds you got left.

Two at once? This is the pvp forums, there will be no talk of assisting and teamwork. No tactics are valid unless you’re dueling.

Those two using it at the same time need to L2P.

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

My favorite part of SA is when you get TWO at once. Just start laughing cuz it’s over. Say a prayer in the couple of seconds you got left.

Two at once? This is the pvp forums, there will be no talk of assisting and teamwork. No tactics are valid unless you’re dueling.

Those two using it at the same time need to L2P.

I actually don’t even mind it. It’s funny though. Insta nuke unless you hugging a tree or something.

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

My favorite part of SA is when you get TWO at once. Just start laughing cuz it’s over. Say a prayer in the couple of seconds you got left.

Two at once? This is the pvp forums, there will be no talk of assisting and teamwork. No tactics are valid unless you’re dueling.

Those two using it at the same time need to L2P.

I actually don’t even mind it. It’s funny though. Insta nuke unless you hugging a tree or something.

I don’t mind it either, but it’s definitely a L2P issue on their part. Cyrodiil, Sewers, BGs... they’re all just different dueling venues where sometimes you have annoying zergs interrupt your duel.

Just the other day I was in a BG dueling this chump, and a Zerg came in and interrupted it so I died. I got so mad I ran to the forums for more Zerg complaining. Probably used bleeds and earthgore.

SA definitely sucks, I tried it in a duel and it didn’t work. This is a Zerg issue not that SA might sometimes work.

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

My favorite part of SA is when you get TWO at once. Just start laughing cuz it’s over. Say a prayer in the couple of seconds you got left.

Two at once? This is the pvp forums, there will be no talk of assisting and teamwork. No tactics are valid unless you’re dueling.

Those two using it at the same time need to L2P.

I actually don’t even mind it. It’s funny though. Insta nuke unless you hugging a tree or something.

I don’t mind it either, but it’s definitely a L2P issue on their part. Cyrodiil, Sewers, BGs... they’re all just different dueling venues where sometimes you have annoying zergs interrupt your duel.

Nah there’s definitely GvG game play to be had. Or GvZ if the comp is strong enough.

Flame_of_Hades

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

https://imgur.com/a/QeIeR6X

Never shown a picture before, so idk if it worked, but 117208 SA tool tip, and this is on a hybrid build... meaning I could force it much, MUCH higher if I was interested.

PSA: maelstrom DW works on SA....

Edit: I just put the link in...