SA meta

Vapirko

technohic wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

When I played magden I'd use it as my execute. Deep fissure, throw some birds, (DF stun), soul assault. With 50k magicka, yeah, most things would die.
Does pitiful damage at full to half health, but when they're low, most unaware targets will disintegrate. Works amazing on rolly-polly cloaky nightblades. For 100 ultimate (85 on sorc lel) you can't go wrong.

The ult cost is prob a bit low for the amount of damage it does.

It couldn't hurt to raise it to around 120. But as you probably know, it does really bad damage unless they are within execute range, so you're essentially using an ult for an execute. Probably why it's so cheap.

True, unless it’s an Xv1 then the amount of Stam it takes to block heal it out is highly debilitating + you cannot do anything else in that time meaning your open to all other sources of damage and anything you block in addition to soul assault just means further decreased stam. It’s just one of those skills that heavily favors outnumbering.

If you are the 1 in the xv1 you already screwed up to not have LOS to break it

True.

Neoauspex

Have you tried dodge rolling over and over? That's a way better strategy than hitting vigor once and then just standing there laughing while your opponent is locked in a channel.

Mrsinister2

I been using it again on cyro lately its funny that it will either completly nuke someone or do absolutely nothing.

The amount of nbs trying to roll dodge it is my very favorite part but gimme magic dawnbreaker and I'll never shoot that lazer beam again.

Toc de Malsvi

Vapirko wrote: »

heavier wrote: »

I like that it's uninterruptible because it's a nice break from CC hell (ESO pvp at any other moment when not channeling SA or rite of passage)

in OP I was memeing that I've noticed a big increase since I started using it and that I am a meta player

Vapirko wrote: »

very bad players.

what are these?

I suppose it’s kind of subjective but players who don’t really understand how to put put real pressure relative to the person they’re fighting against. For example I was in a small 1v3 yesterday against a bow build that really only used LAs with the occasional snipe, a stamblade that had very weak opening combos from stealth and then a magplar who used soul assault. In this case I could easily mitigate the damage. But get against a couple of decent players and add a soul assault and all of a sudden I’m toast where as I wouldn’t be vs a leap/DBoS/meteor etc becuse those don’t use anywhere near the amount of Stam to block or can be dodged. The skill is an Xv1 skill, it’s horrible in a outnumbered situation but overly strong when you outnumber or 1v1 with the right build.

This applies to many things and is often forgot. Somethings are unavoidable but easy to mitigate provided your opponents are not very good. As soon as you face a couple decent opponents those things become a death sentence.

Often bad players do not know how to put pressure on or do not realize that they often just need to apply a little more pressure at the right time. They are not aware how close they really are to overwhelming the guy that is 1vXing them.

Anyron

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

Pure damage, no resource build. My tooltip is 54k in no-cp.

Try to break line-of-sight. Beam is interrupted
Try to focus caster. When you cast SA, ur lock in animation - no healing or blocking possible.
This skill is blockable and dodgeable

Use brain to counter it.

You are pissed about SA, try to play ranged build. 150/200 projectiles DODGED

Strider__Roshin

This ability needs non-Nightblade counterplay.

Toc de Malsvi

Daus wrote: »

This ability needs non-Nightblade counterplay.

Less tics for more damage each=same amount of total damage but not as insane to try to block.

CatchMeTrolling

Well it’s blatantly obvious who mains magicka in this thread.

Anyron

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Well it’s blatantly obvious who mains magicka in this thread.

On other hand, you can see whos stamina here, since only stamina has problems with Soul Assault. Because dodgedodgedodge isnt way to win here

heavier

it's refreshing that other people have picked it

Qbiken

Anyron wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

Pure damage, no resource build. My tooltip is 54k in no-cp.

Try to break line-of-sight. Beam is interrupted
Try to focus caster. When you cast SA, ur lock in animation - no healing or blocking possible.
This skill is blockable and dodgeable

Use brain to counter it.

You are pissed about SA, try to play ranged build. 150/200 projectiles DODGED

I just posted a friends tooltip (and his buikd isn't a pure glasscanon build btw), and I've personally no issue with it. Just posted it for fun.

heavier

Qbiken wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

Pure damage, no resource build. My tooltip is 54k in no-cp.

Try to break line-of-sight. Beam is interrupted
Try to focus caster. When you cast SA, ur lock in animation - no healing or blocking possible.
This skill is blockable and dodgeable

Use brain to counter it.

You are pissed about SA, try to play ranged build. 150/200 projectiles DODGED

I just posted a friends tooltip (and his buikd isn't a pure glasscanon build btw), and I've personally no issue with it. Just posted it for fun.

is there even glasscannon in ESO? everything has hyper mobility and spammable dmg
more like glass LMG

Swiftfox_Bouncyface

Mayrael wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

Yeah build a potato char with max offensive no sustain, no defense. This way I can get Surprise Attack tooltip around 20k.

Really? Soul Assault is one of few tools that counter no brain rolly polly builds. When used against any decent player you have more chances that actually he will kill you. It's almost 4s channel where you can't defend your self. This skill was already nerfed because snare was to powerful with it (nerf was fair IMHO) but now? You can move to LoS, you can block, you can heal. When in Xv1 scenario any multiple ults would make you dead, at least on a magicka toon where you have stamina for break free and maybe 2 roll dodges. All I see is stam meta whining about one of few things that hurts them.

Actually that was usable build :^)

Ankael07

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Well it’s blatantly obvious who mains magicka in this thread.

Ah yes two of the four horsemen of nerfocalypse... tooltip from an unplayable glasscannon build and accusing people of being magicka/stamina/zergling/elitist whathaveyou

We need someone to post a death recap consisting of multiple Soul Assaults and some dodge monkey telling people to ''just use AOE bro'' to complete this post

You people are unbelievable sometimes

Qbiken

Ankael07 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Well it’s blatantly obvious who mains magicka in this thread.

Ah yes two of the four horsemen of nerfocalypse... tooltip from an unplayable glasscannon build and accusing people of being magicka/stamina/zergling/elitist whathaveyou

We need someone to post a death recap consisting of multiple Soul Assaults and some dodge monkey telling people to ''just use AOE bro'' to complete this post

You people are unbelievable sometimes

1. How many times do I need to say it in this thread: I've no issue with the skill and I don't care what happens to it. Posted the screenshot from a friends build just because it would be fun. Nothing more, nothing less.

2. The build is far from an unplayable glass-cannon build. Happy to share the stats from ESO build editor page.

Chilly-McFreeze

Anyron wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

Pure damage, no resource build. My tooltip is 54k in no-cp.

Try to break line-of-sight. Beam is interrupted
Try to focus caster. When you cast SA, ur lock in animation - no healing or blocking possible.
This skill is blockable and dodgeable

Use brain to counter it.

You are pissed about SA, try to play ranged build. 150/200 projectiles DODGED

LoL

technohic

It seems like this ability comes up from time to time after long periods of not seeing it at all in death recaps. We then see a few randoms trying to hit the numbers and running it here and there but then it disappears again. Sure we'll see Ballista pop back up again as well shortly after.

It's a cycle of on again off again depending on how often people just LOS just for a second to waste an ultimate.

Iskiab

technohic wrote: »

It seems like this ability comes up from time to time after long periods of not seeing it at all in death recaps. We then see a few randoms trying to hit the numbers and running it here and there but then it disappears again. Sure we'll see Ballista pop back up again as well shortly after.

It's a cycle of on again off again depending on how often people just LOS just for a second to waste an ultimate.

Sounds like balance. Didn’t know you can LoS ballista, good to know.

I don’t think anyone has said it’s overpowered, it’s just some people have said it’s useless and some people have said it’s a good ability.

Personally I find it effective against me as a magblade healer because self healing is an issue.

To sum up the thread:
- People who wear 5x medium and dodge roll say it’s effective against them
- Magblade healers say it’s effective
- Shield stacking sorcs and 5x heavy stam with access to dawnbreaker say it sucks

Sound about right?

Maulkin

Iskiab wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

It seems like this ability comes up from time to time after long periods of not seeing it at all in death recaps. We then see a few randoms trying to hit the numbers and running it here and there but then it disappears again. Sure we'll see Ballista pop back up again as well shortly after.

It's a cycle of on again off again depending on how often people just LOS just for a second to waste an ultimate.

Sounds like balance. Didn’t know you can LoS ballista, good to know.

I don’t think anyone has said it’s overpowered, it’s just some people have said it’s useless and some people have said it’s a good ability.

Personally I find it effective against me as a magblade healer because self healing is an issue.

To sum up the thread:
- People who wear 5x medium and dodge roll say it’s effective against them
- Magblade healers say it’s effective
- Shield stacking sorcs and 5x heavy stam with access to dawnbreaker say it sucks

Sound about right?

How on earth is it effective against a NB healer or any healer build? The whole point of healer build is that you out heal a lot of dmg. And considering that it's a 3 second dmg spike without CC, defiles etc. thrown in, then you should be well placed to out heal it. Not to mention that you can hit cloak after 2 secs and stop it.

I know NB heal builds that can take 2 SAs to the face in no-CP BGs and barely flinch. I believe your problem is elsewhere.

Knootewoot

As a light armored magblade, I say just hold block. I have only died a few times to SA. Holding block mostly saves the day (or if you have, cast a shield and hold block)

Block casting on the SA caster mostly has them dead instead. Unless you are being x vs 1'ed

TheBonesXXX

It hits hard for a simplistic ultimate that's cheap.

Not a fan of undodgeable skills, no. I'm not a stamblade.

Iskiab

Maulkin wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

It seems like this ability comes up from time to time after long periods of not seeing it at all in death recaps. We then see a few randoms trying to hit the numbers and running it here and there but then it disappears again. Sure we'll see Ballista pop back up again as well shortly after.

It's a cycle of on again off again depending on how often people just LOS just for a second to waste an ultimate.

Sounds like balance. Didn’t know you can LoS ballista, good to know.

I don’t think anyone has said it’s overpowered, it’s just some people have said it’s useless and some people have said it’s a good ability.

Personally I find it effective against me as a magblade healer because self healing is an issue.

To sum up the thread:
- People who wear 5x medium and dodge roll say it’s effective against them
- Magblade healers say it’s effective
- Shield stacking sorcs and 5x heavy stam with access to dawnbreaker say it sucks

Sound about right?

How on earth is it effective against a NB healer or any healer build? The whole point of healer build is that you out heal a lot of dmg. And considering that it's a 3 second dmg spike without CC, defiles etc. thrown in, then you should be well placed to out heal it. Not to mention that you can hit cloak after 2 secs and stop it.

I know NB heal builds that can take 2 SAs to the face in no-CP BGs and barely flinch. I believe your problem is elsewhere.

Well, you’re looking at the ability in isolation, I pvp so the damage output of one person is irrelevant, everything is about group burst and synergy to take one person down. Basicly as a healer you’re the primary target of multiple players.

If you don’t like it don’t use it. I’ve seen lots of players using it recently and do well with it. No one’s trying to convince you, just stating their opinions.

I’ve also found in general those with the strongest opinions don’t know what they’re talking about. They think they know everything so stop experimenting and fall behind the curve.

CatchMeTrolling

Ankael07 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Well it’s blatantly obvious who mains magicka in this thread.

Ah yes two of the four horsemen of nerfocalypse... tooltip from an unplayable glasscannon build and accusing people of being magicka/stamina/zergling/elitist whathaveyou

We need someone to post a death recap consisting of multiple Soul Assaults and some dodge monkey telling people to ''just use AOE bro'' to complete this post

You people are unbelievable sometimes

People like you are so hellbent on defending things that you end up not comprehending and assuming making no sense.

Chilly-McFreeze

Knootewoot wrote: »

As a light armored magblade, I say just hold block. I have only died a few times to SA. Holding block mostly saves the day (or if you have, cast a shield and hold block)

Block casting on the SA caster mostly has them dead instead. Unless you are being x vs 1'ed

And after face blocking a full SA you have enough stam in your tank left to break free afterwards?

LordTareq

Yes I use it mainly to finish off not so good nightblades, then it excels. In other situations its decent. You can use it as a finisher when your opponent has already burned through most of his resources, and the risk of being killed yourself while using it can be mitigated by snaring your (melee) opponent first. Wall of frost + SA is especially effective. Quite often though I have to cancel my own SA by blocking/rolling because I used it at the wrong time and left myself open to counter. Don’t ever use it as an opener as any competent player can shrug the damage of with full resource bars and use the 3.5 sec to annihilate you.

Other than that its my favorite ultimate.

Rikumaru

Bow ultimate, 175 ultimate, dodgeable, reflectable and pretty sure it deals less damage. Soul assault, 100 ultimate and is undodgeable. Both aren't class based ultimates either so anyone can use them.

Toc de Malsvi

Anyron wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

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Soul-Assault is fine.........

Pure damage, no resource build. My tooltip is 54k in no-cp.

Try to break line-of-sight. Beam is interrupted
Try to focus caster. When you cast SA, ur lock in animation - no healing or blocking possible.
This skill is blockable and dodgeable

Use brain to counter it.

You are pissed about SA, try to play ranged build. 150/200 projectiles DODGED

Ults scale primarily on max resouces so depending on how your specific "pure damage" build is setup you can end up with drastically different tooltips than someone else.

It's also not dodgeable, that's the primary benefit of the ultimate aside from cheap cost, kind of ridiculous to state otherwise.

Good players are not using ultimates on opponents at max health, they are also not using Ultimates as their only form of damage. Good players layer damage during burst and opportunistically use ultimates as finishers. SA is polarizing because it is extremely punishing to one armor type medium and relatively less problematic for others.

Neoauspex

Rikumaru wrote: »

Bow ultimate, 175 ultimate, dodgeable, reflectable and pretty sure it deals less damage. Soul assault, 100 ultimate and is undodgeable. Both aren't class based ultimates either so anyone can use them.

But doesn't lock you in a channel (the good morph). Just so we're comparing apples to fruit.

Anyron

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

It hits hard for a simplistic ultimate that's cheap.

Not a fan of undodgeable skills, no. I'm not a stamblade.

It is dodgeable. Only it isnt broken when it miss. So you can get hit (for example) by 2ticks, then roll, 3 ticks dodged and 3 ticks hit

Toc de Malsvi

In relation to mitigating SA:

Heavy armor better supports block through, higher mitigation, higher health and healing received, and resource return not limited by block.

Light armor offers Higher spell resists, increased mag recovery(not affected by block), increase spell crit(better heals), and a temporary health bump through absorb which allows for more universal burst mitigation. Magicka offers better burst heals across all classes and more healing potential with less direct sustain counters. Resource poisons affect both pools equally, however only stam recovery stops from block, and the only mitigation mechanic with a stacking cost increase is dodge roll which also costs stam.

Medium armor offers increased healing from stam scaling sources(rally, vigor) through increase to crit and weapon damage, increased stam recovery, and reduction in dodge roll costs.



SA is not dodgeable so reduced dodge roll costs does nothing for medium, blocking not only has a high cost but cuts off the stam recovery nullifying that benefit from medium, and stam heals are not strong enough to rely on powerful healing. Both heavy and light have significantly better passives for countering SA and as such feel little hurt from it.

Med is fine against SA, IF the SA is used at a poor time, there is nearby LOS, they are only fighting 1 player. Using SA at a poor time is the least of the users worries as it is a cheap ult that is up relatively quickly, especially on MagSorcs. Telling med armor to just block it, is disingenuous as it does not account for the complete lack of support for blocking in med and the negating of med armor passive from blocking.

SA does not have as widespread use as other ultimates because it is primarily effective versus medium armor builds, and less effective versus other builds. This leads to continued discrepancies in opinions related to SA.

The best change I have heard, and myself offered at times to the SA issue is to decrease the number of ticks and increase the damage per tick. This will yield the same overall damage but make it less punishing to block.