Guild history saves only 5 days instead of 10 days?

Dont_do_drugs

Hello,

today after testing some stuff with my guild related addons, ATT, AGS and donation tracker, I recognized the [E] button for extending the guild history after 26th (5days ago) is missing. Seemingly i cant load odler sales and donation data than 5 days.

Is this intentional? All my addons are set to off, blank, vanilla. I cant believe this. Does ZOS staff has so low clue about the ingame stuff and how guilds make their maths and balanaces, that they changed the guild history to 5 days, not even 7 days. Is this serious? Is this a bug?

Is this a joke, how could you?

SammiSakura

If this is intentional, it's ridiculous. It might explain why I had an unusual amount of mails about kicks/warnings when members have apparently donated/sold "/

This is just insane. Why do this?

sirinsidiator

I agree. I just hope this is a bug and not intentional, otherwise I have to wonder how a change like this, that basically affects all trading guilds, doesn't even get a mention in the patch notes. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Svenja

Wow, if this is intended, this is really bad.
And i'm not only talking about the "it was not in the patchnotes"-type of bad.

therift

Console guild history appears unchanged. Could this possibly be something affecting add-ons even in they're disabled?

Arkadius

therift wrote: »

Console guild history appears unchanged. Could this possibly be something affecting add-ons even in they're disabled?

The cause is apparently last Mondays patch, which isn't live on consoles yet.

Elsonso

No.

It is something other than how long ago it happened.

My busy trading guild has roster history going back 11 days, bank history going back 3 days, and sales history going back 15 hours.

My social guild has roster history going back 27 days, bank history going back 2 days, and sales history going back 20 hours.

I don't think this has changed.

Dont_do_drugs

wut? did u ever REALLY use that pages and recognized, that there was an [e] button below that window which tells u to press e to load more data? it only loads first page normally, and then u press [e] to open more pages. but those pages are limited for sales and donation/bank history to 5 days now instead of 10 days pre monday patch.

this is really bad for trade guilds, bcs it makes it harder to track the weekly income. and just for zos to repeat it: most trade guilds make balances from bid to bid, so one week, 7 days, sunday to sunday. one week isnt 5 days....

EC_Rob

I noticed this issue too this morning when I wanted to calculate donations.

I do hope its a glitch and not intended because I need to be able to look back at least 7 or 8 days to be able to track it.

SammiSakura

Yeah it basically makes it impossible to run a 7day sales trading quota. And its not just the pages, if my addons cant see sales or donations from days 6 & 7, i cant see them, and then i end up kicking people, who understandably get mad when theyve met the quota. Just No. We need an answer on this right away. Its not exactly something that can wait

Fiktius

This is VERY unfortunate thing to happen, due in several trade guilds donation fee is common alternative provided for members to reach their requirements and often there are members who prefer donating early, so they don't have to think about it for the rest of the week.

At PC we have addons, which tracks sales from entire week, so ATT/MM - are saviors what comes with tracking sales, but what comes with donations, this 5 days tracking system will only give trade guild GMs more work to do, when some kind of manual tracking has to be done.

whoathere

I honestly hope this is but a bug in the game and not intentional. Trade guilds, and other guilds who use weekly lottery NEED to see more than a week's history.

We can't see our full sales, we can't see total donations, we can't use the lottery.

While I can understand why it might had taken a while to notice this bug, it is so important for the bug to be fixed. Trading guilds cannot function this way.

SammiSakura

whoathere wrote: »

I honestly hope this is but a bug in the game and not intentional. Trade guilds, and other guilds who use weekly lottery NEED to see more than a week's history.

We can't see our full sales, we can't see total donations, we can't use the lottery.

While I can understand why it might had taken a while to notice this bug, it is so important for the bug to be fixed. Trading guilds cannot function this way.

eurgh might this also be why the lottery in my guild seems so low this week?

Elsonso

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

wut? did u ever REALLY use that pages and recognized, that there was an [e] button below that window which tells u to press e to load more data? it only loads first page normally, and then u press [e] to open more pages. but those pages are limited for sales and donation/bank history to 5 days now instead of 10 days pre monday patch.

this is really bad for trade guilds, bcs it makes it harder to track the weekly income. and just for zos to repeat it: most trade guilds make balances from bid to bid, so one week, 7 days, sunday to sunday. one week isnt 5 days....

Actually, never noticed the (E).

Now I get data going back 10 days for sales in my social guild. I do not have the time or patience to go back that far in my trading guild. I think it took me 10-15 presses of "E" just to get back to 1 day ago.

(Edit: I continued on and the furthest back my main trading guild goes is apparently to the end of 1 day for sales. After that, the "E" disappears.)

(Edit again: after a minute or so, the "E" returned...)

(Final edit: this is too boring. Takes several seconds to load the next set of data, and I noticed that sometime in the middle of "2 days", which took about 5 hours* to get to, the display of the data became corrupted and it stopped telling me all the information.)


* not really, just seemed that way. Probably 5 minutes.

Dont_do_drugs

dont do it in sales, its laggy as hell if u do it manually while beeing in guild page, if u have access to guild bank history it works better. if u use arkadius trade tools it opens all pages without u noticing it, same goes for shissus guild tools and the bank history. with both of them all pages are opened after login usually, so u can just scroll, thats how i noticed it.

hmm maybe zos limited the entries of sales by numbers for sales, so ur social guild has so low numbers of sales, i can safe longer. i dont know... but here on pc eu a couple of gm recognized a 5 days limitation.

Elsonso

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

dont do it in sales, its laggy as hell if u do it manually while beeing in guild page, if u have access to guild bank history it works better. if u use arkadius trade tools it opens all pages without u noticing it, same goes for shissus guild tools and the bank history. with both of them all pages are opened after login usually, so u can just scroll, thats how i noticed it.

hmm maybe zos limited the entries of sales by numbers for sales, so ur social guild has so low numbers of sales, i can safe longer. i dont know... but here on pc eu a couple of gm recognized a 5 days limitation.

Not knowing anything about how the addons get that data, it does occur to me that how they are getting the data is something that needs to be looked at. It might be that there are more than 5 days of data, but something is happening to make the addon think that it is done retrieving data.

My trading guild is an order of magnitude more busy than my social guild. Probably more than that. Still, my social guild almost always has a trader, so it is not like this is all trades between guild members.

My own bank history for my own guild goes back 9 days.

vgabor

Probably some clueless developer limited the history to a preset number of entries, which in busy trade guilds results in few days history while a low frequency trading social guild the same number of entries cover more time.

I get whats the reasoning to such limit, but some more thoughts into such changes might be warranted, and moreover an actual understanding how thing are used before any such changes, as this change clearly shows that whoever developer made this changes has absolutely no clue how and why that history is used for...

Elsonso

vgabor wrote: »

Probably some clueless developer limited the history to a preset number of entries, which in busy trade guilds results in few days history while a low frequency trading social guild the same number of entries cover more time.

I would hesitate to use the term "clueless". Everything has limits, and sometimes those limits can constrain what can happen. The limits may not be arbitrary.

Dont_do_drugs

lordrichter wrote: »

vgabor wrote: »

Probably some clueless developer limited the history to a preset number of entries, which in busy trade guilds results in few days history while a low frequency trading social guild the same number of entries cover more time.

I would hesitate to use the term "clueless". Everything has limits, and sometimes those limits can constrain what can happen. The limits may not be arbitrary.

it worked before with 10 days as well, for years. saving some data may be a goal, but not like this. so yes, its clueless and shows how low the insight of the devs into ingame habits and patterns truly is.

Elsonso

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

vgabor wrote: »

Probably some clueless developer limited the history to a preset number of entries, which in busy trade guilds results in few days history while a low frequency trading social guild the same number of entries cover more time.

I would hesitate to use the term "clueless". Everything has limits, and sometimes those limits can constrain what can happen. The limits may not be arbitrary.

it worked before with 10 days as well, for years. saving some data may be a goal, but not like this. so yes, its clueless and shows how low the insight of the devs into ingame habits and patterns truly is.

Report the bug to ZOS, if you feel there is one. If it is a bug, and they want to fix it, they will.

We can also ask a large trade guild GM, like @hiyde, to see if they are seeing data after 5 days being removed. Like I said, two guilds where I have access to bank or sales history are showing 9 and 10 days, not 5 days.

Dont_do_drugs

on pc eu its confirmed by a couple of gm and sirinsidiator, ags creator, as well.
and i gm 2 large trade guilds. the other people commenting here also are trade guild gm.

sirinsidiator

I suspect it is something they changed as part of their fix for the EU guild chat lag issue on Monday. That's why NA players like Lordrichter still see 10 days. We can just hope they'll revert it as swiftly as they put it in place tomorrow.

Titansteele

noise!!!

SammiSakura

@ZOS_GinaBruno please help! this means we cant do anything of our admin this week! no lottery, no sales ranking. absolute disaster

SantieClaws

This is truly awful. Khajiit hopes it can be fixed very quickly and the usual business of trading can resume. Trading is about so much more than just the individual sale yes.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

SammiSakura

I suggest we all keep posting on this. Keep it active. This needs fixing IMMEDIATELY. Ive already had to cancel two guilds lottery and ranking, and i know another guild has too. I don't understand why this has happened.

SantieClaws

Just a suggestion - does anyone know if this issue has been raised yet in the German forums?

Just that Europe wakes up earlier and the sooner the issue is brought to the attention of someone who is awake maybe then it can make it's way through the right channels to the fixing people yes?

A few hours difference in getting the information might may a difference of days in the fixing perhaps?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Dont_do_drugs

I did yesterday, since I know a couple of more community based trading guilds do weekly raffles which might collide with this uncommunicated change. As I heard it seems as it was an intentional change which might be changed back and has been made to face the server issues on pc EU regarding the free eso days. I wouldn't have been minding, if zos communicated that. All those guilds depending on 7 days history at least would have been able to react early enough then. I dislike, how zos goes on treating those people keeping the community/ies together. After 3 or 4years they finally managed and started planning on doing at least something for the guilds, but u still feel, that those people giving in their time to entertain players in eso are still treated like trash.

SantieClaws

Anyone heard any updates? Plans for a fix?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

SammiSakura

Nothing yet. I'll check the history later when I get online. I'm kinda mad really. I've now got another guild I have to manually keep donations notes for, until this is fixed. I spend so much more time sorting guilds than gaming, and this is making it even worse

sirinsidiator

Still nothing?