Nightblade

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    If they are not OP then how can they pull the best mag DPS and sustain that without any problems?

    Because they don´t. Magsorc and Magplar are on par with magblade. Unless you live in a time-machine and are stuck in the time period after Morrowind, magblade are not as dominant as you claim it to be.
  • John_Falstaff
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    @LiquidPony , you're speaking about different things here. However you redistribute the damage over parse, those buffs will scale it same way. That in many cases you want to have shorter execute at expense of longer pre-execute - well, sure. Just not sure how this nerf changes the situation that is defined by class design.

    And yes, the change will hit magblades more than it will hit stamblades.
  • ruikkarikun
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    From where this information or I missing it? Where is the link to source?
  • KhajiitFelix
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    Qbiken wrote: »

    Because they don´t. Magsorc and Magplar are on par with magblade. Unless you live in a time-machine and are stuck in the time period after Morrowind, magblade are not as dominant as you claim it to be.

    MagSorc lol
  • RusevCrush
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    We just need to throw the same fit we did over shields, right?
    So I'll have the same dps as other classes, less survivability, and a harder rotation?Sign me up. Throw us a bone here. The casuals can't have it all.
  • Qbiken
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    MagSorc lol

    I guess you haven't seem the 60k solo parses they do with pets.....
  • Fiktius
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    Mmmm... Delicious nightblade tears....

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    And now on the topic:

    I'm looking forwards to patch notes with great interested.
    I really would like to know what is developers reasoning about the coming change and why they thought this is necessary move.Currently right now the assassin's will proc is loud and slow, easily avoidable. If it's gonna be nerfed even more,
    well, now I'll have space for that Force Pulse which did not fit before. :D
  • D0PAMINE
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    I run a Magplar solo build but my first solo was mNB. That berserk was nice.
  • Koolio
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    Fiktius wrote: »

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    And now on the topic:

    I'm looking forwards to patch notes with great interested.
    I really would like to know what is developers reasoning about the coming change and why they thought this is necessary move.Currently right now the assassin's will proc is loud and slow, easily avoidable. If it's gonna be nerfed even more,
    well, now I'll have space for that Force Pulse which did not fit before. :D

    They will conveniently leave that dev note change off that because “reasons”
  • LiquidPony
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    Knootewoot wrote: »

    Problem is, when they do it like this... stamblades will just slot the magicka morph.
    Stamblades mostly already have good sustain so don't need the minor endurance morph, and rarely use the bow proc. But the 8% they would like.
    Maybe it should be... 8% extra damage to magic attacks or something.

    Stamblades rarely use the bow proc?

    Good lord, the amount of nonsense that gets spread around these parts is unbelievable.
  • Universe
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    Looks like ZOS ganked the Nightblade :trollface:
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  • BLAINE1245
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    If this does turn out to be true, I will gladly sell my account the very day this goes live to recoup the time and money I've invested playing my stam nb which is the only character I play. All DLC and all expansions plus subscriptions just to be shafted yet again after the wrathstone "update" (which I also own).
  • Alucardo
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    BLAINE1245 wrote: »
    If this does turn out to be true, I will gladly sell my account the very day this goes live to recoup the time and money I've invested playing my stam nb which is the only character I play. All DLC and all expansions plus subscriptions just to be shafted yet again after the wrathstone "update" (which I also own).

    You're going to quit because stam nb could lose a buff it doesn't need? Dramatic much?
  • BLAINE1245
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    Alucardo wrote: »

    You're going to quit because stam nb could lose a buff it doesn't need? Dramatic much?

    It does need it. Even with this small buff, it's barely able to out-dps a shield in pvp. Losing 8% crit chance on top of an 8% buff to ALL damage is nothing short of ruining the one thing a nb can do.
  • Alucardo
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    BLAINE1245 wrote: »

    It does need it. Even with this small buff, it's barely able to out-dps a shield in pvp. Losing 8% crit chance on top of an 8% buff to ALL damage is nothing short of ruining the one thing a nb can do.

    I don't know why I was trying to deter you from leaving. The less stamblades, the better. Best of luck in your future endeavours!
  • russelmmendoza
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    They have to nerf all of the old class so that the new class will appeal to players.
    Otherwise the new class that comes with the new content wont be baught.

    Just take it with a grain of salt.

    Like this much salt,
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  • Czekoludek
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    NBs are victims of their good design. With morrowind sustain nerfs NB becomes more viable because they had good sustain comparing to other classes. With Summerset and new jewelery traits, bloodthirsty as a new meta, they become even more powerful because of great execute. For stamblades changes were even greater cuz Advancing Yokeda and their bonuses to crit damage was (and still is) a great combo. So why they are a victim here? Almost every change that makes nightblade more powerful, was a change to overall mechanics and class was constantly nerfed through patches (non disappearing bow proc stacs are the only good buff that was design directly for class). Right now NBs are an easy target, even when magplars and pet sorcs dealing the same dps as magbaldes in pve, even with magdens beats magblades in pvp easily, ppl just say "nerf nightblades" like some dumb mantra. With moves like that zeni destroys nb identity. Buff weak classes, add new toys to their toolkits. Stamina is underperforming except stamblades, maybe you should give other stamina classes something rather then nerfing the only good one. Maybe you will buff magblades in pvp rather then making them even weaker. I'm not surprised that many ppl who mains NB are angry, this will be another nerf without proper compensation. You already made almost all stam classes weak in PvE (they have good DPS only because of relequen, one set for all classes that destroyed any build diversity) and now that. Necro will sell well even without nerfs to other classes ZoS, really.
  • ccfeeling
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    Agony removal
    Major evasion removal
    Swallow Soul passive removal
    Refreshing Path does no damage

    and...Minor Berserk removal ?

    Seriously ?

    I really need a class change token .
  • BLAINE1245
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    ccfeeling wrote: »
    Agony removal
    Major evasion removal
    Swallow Soul passive removal
    Refreshing Path does no damage

    and...Minor Berserk removal ?

    Seriously ?

    I really need a class change token .

    I bought the race change pack (adventurer pack) last night and was considering changing my khajiit to either an orc or redguard. If this goes down, I literally don't have a character to play.
  • aaylas
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    ccfeeling wrote: »
    Agony removal
    Major evasion removal
    Swallow Soul passive removal
    Refreshing Path does no damage

    and...Minor Berserk removal ?

    Seriously ?

    I really need a class change token .

    You forgot the part where that added resource costs to several skills.
  • Taktak
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    So NB gonna lose minor berserk? Pls nerf it more :smile:

    I hope they will remove nb class from the game 🙂
  • ccfeeling
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    aaylas wrote: »

    You forgot the part where that added resource costs to several skills.

    Yup , lazy to search , too many ... :D
  • Knootewoot
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    LiquidPony wrote: »

    Stamblades rarely use the bow proc?

    Good lord, the amount of nonsense that gets spread around these parts is unbelievable.

    Well, I only look from PvP perspective. And from all the stamblades I encountered, non have fired the proc. It's always the same light attack, poison arrow, light attack, surprise attack yadayada.

    Also it won't achieve much nerfing the extra 8% damage . Stamblades (At least my stamblade) will just remove it and replace it with the fighter guild skill.
    Maybe my melee magblade does the same, since melee hardly procced the bow anyway.
    Edited by Knootewoot on March 29, 2019 6:09AM
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    "I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."
  • Tholian1
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    Knootewoot wrote: »

    Well, I only look from PvP perspective. And from all the stamblades I encountered, non have fired the proc. It's always the same light attack, poison arrow, light attack, surprise attack yadayada

    Yeah, that’s always the problem with these nerfs. The PvP perspective.
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  • Knootewoot
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    Tholian1 wrote: »

    Yeah, that’s always the problem with these nerfs. The PvP perspective.

    The pvp nerfs are always coming from PvE crybabies who want to do PvP achievements but get killed.

    Ok, this is not true. But not all nerfes are from a PvP perspective. Some are yes, but then PvP is also part of the game and needs to work for the players there. But some are not asked for and come from the devs themselves.

    And nobody knows the reason for this nerf yet. You can't just say it's because of PvP. Let's just wait and see the patchnotes first. I bet there will be a lot of class changes, which are not nerfes because of PvP only.
    Edited by Knootewoot on March 29, 2019 7:18AM
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    "I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."
  • Tholian1
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    Knootewoot wrote: »

    The pvp nerfs are always coming from PvE crybabies who want to do PvP achievements but get killed.

    But really... nobody knows the reason for this nerf. You can't just say it's because if PvP.

    Probably not very true since most PvE players I know, including myself, just want to grab our achievement and get the heck out of there as soon as possible. And we are most certainly not creating nerf thread after nerf thread crying about specific skills filling our death recaps.
    Edited by Tholian1 on March 29, 2019 6:33AM
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  • Thanatos_inside
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    Mmm nice nerf nb every patch and dont touch real problems like master duals/oblivion damage/proc sets/spin to win/tank meta/pets system target. In 4- 5 patches zos will kill nb in pvp (magblade already dead). All play necro and spam aoe NERF NERFBLADE.
  • Tholian1
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    Knootewoot wrote: »

    The pvp nerfs are always coming from PvE crybabies who want to do PvP achievements but get killed.

    Ok, this is not true. But not all nerfes are from a PvP perspective. Some are yes, but then PvP is also part of the game and needs to work for the players there. But some are not asked for and come from the devs themselves.

    And nobody knows the reason for this nerf yet. You can't just say it's because of PvP. Let's just wait and see the patchnotes first. I bet there will be a lot of class changes, which are not nerfes because of PvP only.

    Fair enough.
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  • FleetwoodSmack
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    From where this information or I missing it? Where is the link to source?

    @ruikkarikun; Search for Nightblade here and you can see the Grim Focus change. https://www.eso-library.com/core/index.php?chapter-elsweyr-en/
    Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!
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