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  • Iskiab
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    I know those videos, but how come the top groups stacks NB despite those similar dummy parses?

    Are they doing it wrong, what do you think?

    You need certain key buffs for trials. Easiest way to fill them is a DK tank, Warden and Templar healer. Then you need only a sorc and a nb to fill dps spots. Rest should be flexible but it’s easier to have people alt up along those classes for when people can’t make it. If you change the key roles people might have to slot different abilities.

    Funnily enough people complain so much about NBs, but until NBs can fill a tanking spot the meta won’t change much.

    The main reason for the status quo is due to tanking because DKs are so strong and Templars being the alpha healer. Then it’s people copying others without knowing why.


    Edited by Iskiab on March 28, 2019 5:12PM
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  • Toc de Malsvi
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    I'm so disappointed. The fact that Necromancer is already looking OP af, and now nbs are being nerfed even more. What's the point? Necro is the new nb. They have a better fear that doesn't force targets to flee from them. They have the old leech tank premise that nb tanks use to have. They seem to have almost very buff available to them, a passive chain attack. Like seriously @ZOS what are you doing?

    This is pretty much how DK's and Templar's felt when Warden came out, some still feel that way. Don't get too excited over Necro's yet they still haven't hit PTS and there should be some changes coming.
    Edited by Toc de Malsvi on March 28, 2019 8:27PM
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  • brandonv516
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    Doesn't surprise me.

    Killing Magblade further just drives me towards playing more cancerous builds.
  • DisgracefulMind
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    @DisgracefulMind , then look up Liko's raid-buffed 6mil 60k parses that compare the three classes, they're 1k apart. And let's not, stamden has no sustain issues this patch.

    Dummy parses are one thing, actual raid parses are another, nb has been strongest at those for quite some time.

    I'm not saying other classes aren't close, and I didn't say anything about stamden's sustain. I said "sustained dps over a long fight". Not "how a class sustains over a fight".

    Hopefully more classes are going to stay up to par and this nb change will help that be a reality. :)
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  • Iskiab
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    Dummy parses are one thing, actual raid parses are another, nb has been strongest at those for quite some time.

    I'm not saying other classes aren't close, and I didn't say anything about stamden's sustain. I said "sustained dps over a long fight". Not "how a class sustains over a fight".

    Hopefully more classes are going to stay up to par and this nb change will help that be a reality. :)

    This change will have 0 effect in trial dps unless you’re a magblade that isn’t stacked.
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  • DisgracefulMind
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    Iskiab wrote: »

    This change will have 0 effect in trial dps unless you’re a magblade that isn’t stacked.

    That is true, and it will be nice for healers to need to use combat prayer again. The skill won't be dead without minor berserk though, and still 100% viable in PvP. You don't want to lose those CC into AW proc combos.

    I think this change, if it goes through, will be more PvP based than anything, personally.
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  • MartiniDaniels
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    Iskiab wrote: »

    This change will have 0 effect in trial dps unless you’re a magblade that isn’t stacked.

    And then you go to do mechanics... all this shows that Elsweyr will be critically pushed to be must-have. Though it was the same with summerset, so nothing new :D
  • Iskiab
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    That is true, and it will be nice for healers to need to use combat prayer again. The skill won't be dead without minor berserk though, and still 100% viable in PvP. You don't want to lose those CC into AW proc combos.

    I think this change, if it goes through, will be more PvP based than anything, personally.

    I don’t use it in pvp anyways. The only use I’ve found is when you have a target stunned in melee. It’s reflectable and difficult to target. With pets and moving targets if I do slot it it’s been for the damage buff on my back bar. Ele drain or mark target is better I’ve found.

    Now I’ll probably only use it in pve.
    Edited by Iskiab on March 28, 2019 5:27PM
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  • Alucardo
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    If this is true, I hope to god they leave minor berserk on merciless resolve (magicka morph). Without burst magicka nightblade is utter pants.
  • DisgracefulMind
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    Iskiab wrote: »

    I don’t use it in pvp anyways. The only use I’ve found is when you have a target stunned in melee. It’s reflectable and difficult to target. With pets and moving targets if I do slot it it’s been for the damage buff on my back bar. Ele drain or mark target is better I’ve found.

    Now I’ll probably only use it in pve.

    I think it's playstyle difference, I find AW procs to be one of the better finishers and are what seals the fights I win. As @Alucardo mentioned above, leaving the minor berserk on magicka nightblade wouldn't be a bad thing, as it's really stamina nb damage I think most people have the biggest gripes with. I just think this is moreso a PvP change, if it even happens, almost certainly.
    Edited by DisgracefulMind on March 28, 2019 5:31PM
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  • John_Falstaff
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    @DisgracefulMind , those are raid buffed parses. Other buffs you get in-raid scale the same way for all classes.

    @kiLLahweSPe , don't you think that 'they run NBs' doesn't automatically imply cause-and-consequence? If they played sNB last patches (when sNB indeed was stronger, before buffs to other two), then why should they downgrade by 1k dps and play other classes? But someone who's new to it, I'd say they'll choose stamden, it's simpler to play and difference is minimal.
  • LiquidPony
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    Nearly 20% of the damage in that parse is Shadow Silk synergies. You can do the same thing with a stamblade (you only need to be in melee range to Incap and in execute).
  • John_Falstaff
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    @LiquidPony , of course you can. I'm not saying stamden is stronger, I'm saying they're both strong this patch. Also, being in melee range is often strong limitation, but that's of course beside the point.
    Edited by John_Falstaff on March 28, 2019 5:41PM
  • Kuramas9tails
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    The Nightblade is being balanced with regard to "Grim Focus". So the bonus minor frenzy (8% more damage) is completely removed. This means that this bonus can only be obtained from Wardens (Selfbuff with the wings), by Healers (Combat Prayer) or by the skill “Camouflaged Hunter” (Fighters Guild).

    source: https://www.eso-library.com/core/index.php?chapter-elsweyr-en/

    So the only class to self buff with it is a Pay to Play class.

    Classy.

    How is anyone in the community ok with this being the result?
    Edited by Kuramas9tails on March 28, 2019 5:49PM
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    • KhajiitFelix
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      Mmmm... Delicious nightblade tears....
    • TequilaFire
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      Mmmm... Delicious nightblade tears....

      Don't worry you will still die just as much.
    • JinMori
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      i find it funny when people cry for nerfs and then they enjoy when another class that is not their own gets nerfed, basically what it is is, as long as it's not my class it's fine, i don;t have that problem since i play all of them, so at least i can judge things fairly, yes, nb was better, is it that much better as some people make it sound like, no, if they remove berserk, they should replace it with something else, either slightly more damage, another buff, or they could remove the necessity to cast the skill.

      Anyway, next dlc we will get a raid dummy with all the group buffs and sustain, so we can bury this once and for all.
      Edited by JinMori on March 28, 2019 6:17PM
    • LiquidPony
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      @LiquidPony , of course you can. I'm not saying stamden is stronger, I'm saying they're both strong this patch. Also, being in melee range is often strong limitation, but that's of course beside the point.

      Stamdens are strong. Stamblades are stronger. Stamplars aren't really in the conversation.

      6 mil parses without Major Force or Major Slayer (with 15-second execute phases and differences in penetration from PotL) really don't tell the whole story. On fights like Olms HM or AG HM when you're getting off 20+ Killer's Blade/Impales (and optimally running 3 x Bloodthirsty), that's where Nightblades really pull ahead. Even on something like Rakkhat HM with a sweaty group you'll get around 20 Killer's Blades off.
    • Jeirno
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      Koolio wrote: »

      Wardens do

      Good point, but still does not make a difference if u have it naturally in your class or no.
    • Jeirno
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      macsmooth wrote: »

      Erm Wardens do

      Not everything is about a trial there is other content in this game that I actually like to have that skill for

      And yes I want to kill things in 2 seconds and not take 3 seconds doing it

      Ye true wardens do have it but still doesn't really make a difference if you have it tied to your fav class or no. And yes not everything is about trials and dungeons. I do understand if someone QQs about not having it for vMA that actually makes sense. For PvP its 100% good thing, less bowtards doing 2 shot snipes and gankers have to actually work for their kills instead of "I pressed 4 buttons and got a kill im so good".
    • HEBREWHAMMERRR
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      So uh..just f**k magblade then I guess?
    • Swiftfox_Bouncyface
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      I mean isn't this the biggest issue with Nightblades? They can self buff themselves and separates then from other classes in parses. Also one less needed for healer.

      ooga booga nb op
      u kno, if group doesnt have ONLY NBs people actually use combat prayer. Also, if you dont have all hardmodes or IR/GH/TTT - your opinion doesnt matter
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    • Qbiken
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      Mmmm... Delicious nightblade tears....

      Imagine believing magblade is OP in 2019.......
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      Vapirko wrote: »

      Umm it still procs assassins will lol.

      I used the buff for a pvp sniper. Not guaranteed to proc assassins will before either im dead or the opponent is dead.
    • The_Lex
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      For PvE, it probably won't be that bad for either stam or mag. It will probably still be at the top of the heap for DPS.

      For PvP, this will put mageblade in an even worse spot than it already is now. One can hope that they plan to give back something in the process.
    • Knootewoot
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      Alucardo wrote: »
      If this is true, I hope to god they leave minor berserk on merciless resolve (magicka morph). Without burst magicka nightblade is utter pants.

      Problem is, when they do it like this... stamblades will just slot the magicka morph.
      Stamblades mostly already have good sustain so don't need the minor endurance morph, and rarely use the bow proc. But the 8% they would like.
      Maybe it should be... 8% extra damage to magic attacks or something.
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    • KhajiitFelix
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      Qbiken wrote: »

      Imagine believing magblade is OP in 2019.......

      If they are not OP then how can they pull the best mag DPS and sustain that without any problems?
    • JinMori
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      If they are not OP then how can they pull the best mag DPS and sustain that without any problems?

      You do realize that pulling slightly better dps or equal dps does not equal op?

      Like seriously guys, go read the definition of the words you actually use, op means overpowered, overpowered means a lot stronger than something else, not slightly, not equal, A LOT.

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      Knootewoot wrote: »

      Problem is, when they do it like this... stamblades will just slot the magicka morph.
      Stamblades mostly already have good sustain so don't need the minor endurance morph, and rarely use the bow proc. But the 8% they would like.
      Maybe it should be... 8% extra damage to magic attacks or something.

      Maybe in pvp, but in pve, the bow proc is very good.
      Edited by JinMori on March 28, 2019 8:24PM
    • Swiftfox_Bouncyface
      Knootewoot wrote: »

      Problem is, when they do it like this... stamblades will just slot the magicka morph.
      Stamblades mostly already have good sustain so don't need the minor endurance morph, and rarely use the bow proc. But the 8% they would like.
      Maybe it should be... 8% extra damage to magic attacks or something.

      what stamblade uses bow proc rarely
      if stamblade slots mag morph be my guest, i'll wipe floor with him
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    • Jhalin
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      NB is always getting nerfs. thanks for taking another unique aspect of the NB toolkit, we *** hate it
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