when is the next patch (magblade rly needs a helping hand)

Jeezye

kaithuzar wrote: »

Am I the only magblade that hates shields?
They make me feel like I’m playing a bad sorc. I don’t mind others using them, but it’s too easy to deal with. CC then burst, it’s not like we have our shade/pet healing us while we are CC’d.

For magblade if shield falls, you die.
For sorc, if shield falls you still have a chance.
Cloak won’t get you away from that last aoe which might kill you, streak will.

Until two patches ago I could play my magblade efficiently with just healing ward and passive healing. No shields required, no stupid cloak required. Now my playstyle is dead, shield stacking as a non-sorc sucks and cloak spamm is the shittiest playstyle I've ever played. Ironically, every time I see another NB with cloak I tryhard them like a maniac since this is such a frustrating style to play against >.<

Fiktius

Meanwhile my own playstyle still is working fine as "barely cloacking" ranged mag blade.

I'm aware how many counters cloack has in this game, so I theorycrafted a build for myself, which can remain visible during entire fight if necessary. This playstyle gives me better opportunities to remain on attack mode and pressure my opponent.
If I start receiving too many hits, I put my shields in between me and my opponent for short amount which they last and I use that as time window to re-position with shade, just in order to start pressuring my opponent again. There having actual class shield would be highly welcomed among dampen magicka shield due healing ward got multiple issues. (Which I did already explain at previous post here.)

Tho I do have Shadowy disguise slotted. My cloack usage is very situational:
Even tho I prefer fighting visible, I do have cloack slotted for mostly travelling. I love the freedom which cloack provides.
For example with cloack I have better possibility to avoid becoming free AP for zergs and I can try to get away with cloack.

However what comes with potential skill which could be reworked to function as a damage shield, I understand that my previous suggestion may put mag blades in tricky situation in this current meta where all resistances are adding up to resistances of damage shield and therefor minor & major ward stacking would be ideal and that would not happen if Double Take - morph of Blur would be reworked to function as a shield. (Unless mag blades gets the ward elsewhere.)

However since developers already mentioned that they're going to look at class skills which provides several same effects, I wanted to bring this damage shield discussion up. Perhaps developers could pick up unpopular skill from Nightblade tool kit and re-design a damage shield for Nightblades. If anything, it would open more space for build variety.
Those who wants to rely on cloack could still do so and those who wants to remain most of the time visible in combat, they could have proper class shield for use.

Iskiab

kaithuzar wrote: »

Am I the only magblade that hates shields?
They make me feel like I’m playing a bad sorc. I don’t mind others using them, but it’s too easy to deal with. CC then burst, it’s not like we have our shade/pet healing us while we are CC’d.

For magblade if shield falls, you die.
For sorc, if shield falls you still have a chance.
Cloak won’t get you away from that last aoe which might kill you, streak will.

Shield’s effectiveness depends on your gear. They’re like temporary hps. If you have low resistances then they’re useless because you’re going to die in 2 GCDs regardless. The higher your resistances the stronger shields are.

That’s why sorcs are wearing armour master these days. Shields inherit your resistances. If a player is at 50% resistances for example, they’ll double the shield’s effectiveness because it takes twice the damage to remove them. Think of it like how it’s pointless to buff your health high and sacrifice resistances.

Insco851

kaithuzar wrote: »

Am I the only magblade that hates shields?
They make me feel like I’m playing a bad sorc. I don’t mind others using them, but it’s too easy to deal with. CC then burst, it’s not like we have our shade/pet healing us while we are CC’d.

For magblade if shield falls, you die.
For sorc, if shield falls you still have a chance.
Cloak won’t get you away from that last aoe which might kill you, streak will.

I typically only Slot healing ward for shields. I’ve tried Black Rose resto with blessing as a burst heal. Healing ward>cloak>blessing for a potential crit+major Vitality heal. Feels clunky but semi effective.

Rapid Regen still might be my preferred choice tho.

kaithuzar

Thanks guys, I appreciate the suggestions.
I do know how shields work & I was one of the first people touting double bar dampen with armor master, but I just hate the playstyle of keeping them up to be effective/safe.

I’ve got something I want to try just don’t have the gold for it yet & trying to keep things under wraps until I can obtain & test, but maybe the PTS will be out by then lol

Luckylancer

Koolio wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

Have you actually used impale in PvP? It’s awful. It’s clunky and has an extra delay in it for “reasons”. Low threshold. Dodgable Cloakable Blockable. Cost more now.

As a 5 Star MNB I can honestly say it’s terrible. I’ve never had it on my bar more than 1 hour.

I’ll even make a whole build around it. But in the end all I see is “miss miss dodge dodge * * target out of range”

But if they do anything about it it’ll break pve

I dont play magblade much but isnt impale animation cancelable? For some buggy reason it gets no delay when you cancel backswing animation after casting it.

Edit: grammer fix

LordTareq

I use the LA shield on my melee bar, its one of those situationally very useful spells. It mitigates about 4500 damage which is not great considering its cost, but it occasionally really saves my behind. Slotting it makes me often think about more useful skills I could use, not slotting it always leads to me regretting I don’t have it.

Iskiab

Luckylancer wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

Have you actually used impale in PvP? It’s awful. It’s clunky and has an extra delay in it for “reasons”. Low threshold. Dodgable Cloakable Blockable. Cost more now.

As a 5 Star MNB I can honestly say it’s terrible. I’ve never had it on my bar more than 1 hour.

I’ll even make a whole build around it. But in the end all I see is “miss miss dodge dodge * * target out of range”

But if they do anything about it it’ll break pve

I dont play magblade much but isnt impale animation cancelable? For some buggy reason it gets no delay when you cancel backswing animation after casting it.

Edit: grammer fix

No idea, I focus on other things so don’t try to animation cancel.

Impale is strong but most magblades don’t use it. You need those skill slots for utility or damage, and feel like without those other abilities you can’t get someone to execute range to use it.

I love it as a magblade healer. Didn’t use it as a NB dps.

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

Luckylancer wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

Have you actually used impale in PvP? It’s awful. It’s clunky and has an extra delay in it for “reasons”. Low threshold. Dodgable Cloakable Blockable. Cost more now.

As a 5 Star MNB I can honestly say it’s terrible. I’ve never had it on my bar more than 1 hour.

I’ll even make a whole build around it. But in the end all I see is “miss miss dodge dodge * * target out of range”

But if they do anything about it it’ll break pve

I dont play magblade much but isnt impale animation cancelable? For some buggy reason it gets no delay when you cancel backswing animation after casting it.

Edit: grammer fix

No idea, I focus on other things so don’t try to animation cancel.

Impale is strong but most magblades don’t use it. You need those skill slots for utility or damage, and feel like without those other abilities you can’t get someone to execute range to use it.

I love it as a magblade healer. Didn’t use it as a NB dps.

You can ani cancel it but it’s still pretty slow. I’ve tried many times adding it to the bar only to be removing it within 15 minutes lol.

When the minor berserk nerf news dropped, I tried dropping merciless for it... nope. Yea nope.

Mayrael

I fully support the idea of giving magblade but ONLY magblade somekind of snare removal & immunity how? There are few ideas.

1. Give it to the merciless resolve.
2. Give it to both path morphs.
3. Give it to double take but only per piece of LA equipped (like shuffle with medium)

When it goes to damage. Merciless needs slight projectile speed buff or needs to be converted into something similar to curse but requires 4/5 LA to proc.

Thats all magblade needs to stay competetive. It is a class that was designed to be elusive and bursty but somehow it ended as a cloak spaming halfsorc with gutted burst and almost defensless when snared. Without snare removal and immunity this class will stay as dead as it is.

Edit:
@ZOS_RichLambert I know you don't reply in forums in general but I also know you read the stuff we post here, please don't kill magblades because of stamblades. Give us something we can hold on.

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Luckylancer wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

Have you actually used impale in PvP? It’s awful. It’s clunky and has an extra delay in it for “reasons”. Low threshold. Dodgable Cloakable Blockable. Cost more now.

As a 5 Star MNB I can honestly say it’s terrible. I’ve never had it on my bar more than 1 hour.

I’ll even make a whole build around it. But in the end all I see is “miss miss dodge dodge * * target out of range”

But if they do anything about it it’ll break pve

I dont play magblade much but isnt impale animation cancelable? For some buggy reason it gets no delay when you cancel backswing animation after casting it.

Edit: grammer fix

No idea, I focus on other things so don’t try to animation cancel.

Impale is strong but most magblades don’t use it. You need those skill slots for utility or damage, and feel like without those other abilities you can’t get someone to execute range to use it.

I love it as a magblade healer. Didn’t use it as a NB dps.

You can ani cancel it but it’s still pretty slow. I’ve tried many times adding it to the bar only to be removing it within 15 minutes lol.

When the minor berserk nerf news dropped, I tried dropping merciless for it... nope. Yea nope.

The difficult part about it is it’s only under 25% health and health bars jump around a lot. If it lands it’s a kill, so good for kill stealing.

I think I’ve only seen shield stacking sorcs survive it, took two.

As a healer with *** pen I think I saw it hitting for 2.2k today, so that means 8k if below 25% health... I can’t remember the execute multiplier.

It’s worse then other executes just because of the %health condition (I’d rather have the Templar one) but you have to work with what you’re given.

If you look at pve parses for magblade impale is #2 ability in damage. Magblade has been balance around a strong impale for damage, which is why the normal abilities feel like they hit like a wet noodle.

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Luckylancer wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

Have you actually used impale in PvP? It’s awful. It’s clunky and has an extra delay in it for “reasons”. Low threshold. Dodgable Cloakable Blockable. Cost more now.

As a 5 Star MNB I can honestly say it’s terrible. I’ve never had it on my bar more than 1 hour.

I’ll even make a whole build around it. But in the end all I see is “miss miss dodge dodge * * target out of range”

But if they do anything about it it’ll break pve

I dont play magblade much but isnt impale animation cancelable? For some buggy reason it gets no delay when you cancel backswing animation after casting it.

Edit: grammer fix

No idea, I focus on other things so don’t try to animation cancel.

Impale is strong but most magblades don’t use it. You need those skill slots for utility or damage, and feel like without those other abilities you can’t get someone to execute range to use it.

I love it as a magblade healer. Didn’t use it as a NB dps.

You can ani cancel it but it’s still pretty slow. I’ve tried many times adding it to the bar only to be removing it within 15 minutes lol.

When the minor berserk nerf news dropped, I tried dropping merciless for it... nope. Yea nope.

The difficult part about it is it’s only under 25% health and health bars jump around a lot. If it lands it’s a kill, so good for kill stealing.

I think I’ve only seen shield stacking sorcs survive it, took two.

As a healer with *** pen I think I saw it hitting for 2.2k today, so that means 8k if below 25% health... I can’t remember the execute multiplier.

It’s worse then other executes just because of the %health condition (I’d rather have the Templar one) but you have to work with what you’re given.

If you look at pve parses for magblade impale is #2 ability in damage. Magblade has been balance around a strong impale for damage, which is why the normal abilities feel like they hit like a wet noodle.

Yea the Pve side of magblade and the over tuned PVP Stam Blade make for buffing pvp magblade rather difficult.

Hopes and prayers... hopes and prayers

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Luckylancer wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

Have you actually used impale in PvP? It’s awful. It’s clunky and has an extra delay in it for “reasons”. Low threshold. Dodgable Cloakable Blockable. Cost more now.

As a 5 Star MNB I can honestly say it’s terrible. I’ve never had it on my bar more than 1 hour.

I’ll even make a whole build around it. But in the end all I see is “miss miss dodge dodge * * target out of range”

But if they do anything about it it’ll break pve

I dont play magblade much but isnt impale animation cancelable? For some buggy reason it gets no delay when you cancel backswing animation after casting it.

Edit: grammer fix

No idea, I focus on other things so don’t try to animation cancel.

Impale is strong but most magblades don’t use it. You need those skill slots for utility or damage, and feel like without those other abilities you can’t get someone to execute range to use it.

I love it as a magblade healer. Didn’t use it as a NB dps.

You can ani cancel it but it’s still pretty slow. I’ve tried many times adding it to the bar only to be removing it within 15 minutes lol.

When the minor berserk nerf news dropped, I tried dropping merciless for it... nope. Yea nope.

The difficult part about it is it’s only under 25% health and health bars jump around a lot. If it lands it’s a kill, so good for kill stealing.

I think I’ve only seen shield stacking sorcs survive it, took two.

As a healer with *** pen I think I saw it hitting for 2.2k today, so that means 8k if below 25% health... I can’t remember the execute multiplier.

It’s worse then other executes just because of the %health condition (I’d rather have the Templar one) but you have to work with what you’re given.

If you look at pve parses for magblade impale is #2 ability in damage. Magblade has been balance around a strong impale for damage, which is why the normal abilities feel like they hit like a wet noodle.

Yea the Pve side of magblade and the over tuned PVP Stam Blade make for buffing pvp magblade rather difficult.

Hopes and prayers... hopes and prayers

Yup, and since most pve trials have extra mechanics at low health they’ll scream their head off if impale is touched. I wouldn’t blame them.

Crippling bypassing reflections, plus melee magblade love is all that’s needed imo.

I think magblade being a range/melee hybrid class would be amazing. It’s just that for melee to work light attacks need to scale from mag/sp, better self healing and a self cleanse/snare immunity would be required. These are the things PvEers don’t care about, plus magblade is popular for ranged not melee.

I’d love to be daggers/destro staff or daggers/resto. I’d be a lot of fun. So if a DK hits wings then close into melee.

Instantly be a popular class. Let’s face it, daggers are cooler then staves.

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Luckylancer wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

Have you actually used impale in PvP? It’s awful. It’s clunky and has an extra delay in it for “reasons”. Low threshold. Dodgable Cloakable Blockable. Cost more now.

As a 5 Star MNB I can honestly say it’s terrible. I’ve never had it on my bar more than 1 hour.

I’ll even make a whole build around it. But in the end all I see is “miss miss dodge dodge * * target out of range”

But if they do anything about it it’ll break pve

I dont play magblade much but isnt impale animation cancelable? For some buggy reason it gets no delay when you cancel backswing animation after casting it.

Edit: grammer fix

No idea, I focus on other things so don’t try to animation cancel.

Impale is strong but most magblades don’t use it. You need those skill slots for utility or damage, and feel like without those other abilities you can’t get someone to execute range to use it.

I love it as a magblade healer. Didn’t use it as a NB dps.

You can ani cancel it but it’s still pretty slow. I’ve tried many times adding it to the bar only to be removing it within 15 minutes lol.

When the minor berserk nerf news dropped, I tried dropping merciless for it... nope. Yea nope.

The difficult part about it is it’s only under 25% health and health bars jump around a lot. If it lands it’s a kill, so good for kill stealing.

I think I’ve only seen shield stacking sorcs survive it, took two.

As a healer with *** pen I think I saw it hitting for 2.2k today, so that means 8k if below 25% health... I can’t remember the execute multiplier.

It’s worse then other executes just because of the %health condition (I’d rather have the Templar one) but you have to work with what you’re given.

If you look at pve parses for magblade impale is #2 ability in damage. Magblade has been balance around a strong impale for damage, which is why the normal abilities feel like they hit like a wet noodle.

Yea the Pve side of magblade and the over tuned PVP Stam Blade make for buffing pvp magblade rather difficult.

Hopes and prayers... hopes and prayers

Yup, and since most pve trials have extra mechanics at low health they’ll scream their head off if impale is touched. I wouldn’t blame them.

Crippling bypassing reflections, plus melee magblade love is all that’s needed imo.

I think magblade being a range/melee hybrid class would be amazing. It’s just that for melee to work light attacks need to scale from mag/sp, better self healing and a self cleanse/snare immunity would be required. These are the things PvEers don’t care about, plus magblade is popular for ranged not melee.

I’d love to be daggers/destro staff or daggers/resto. I’d be a lot of fun. So if a DK hits wings then close into melee.

Instantly be a popular class. Let’s face it, daggers are cooler then staves.

I basically play at melee range with a staff anyways. Without a nonclass ult, it’s impossible not to.

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Luckylancer wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

Have you actually used impale in PvP? It’s awful. It’s clunky and has an extra delay in it for “reasons”. Low threshold. Dodgable Cloakable Blockable. Cost more now.

As a 5 Star MNB I can honestly say it’s terrible. I’ve never had it on my bar more than 1 hour.

I’ll even make a whole build around it. But in the end all I see is “miss miss dodge dodge * * target out of range”

But if they do anything about it it’ll break pve

I dont play magblade much but isnt impale animation cancelable? For some buggy reason it gets no delay when you cancel backswing animation after casting it.

Edit: grammer fix

No idea, I focus on other things so don’t try to animation cancel.

Impale is strong but most magblades don’t use it. You need those skill slots for utility or damage, and feel like without those other abilities you can’t get someone to execute range to use it.

I love it as a magblade healer. Didn’t use it as a NB dps.

You can ani cancel it but it’s still pretty slow. I’ve tried many times adding it to the bar only to be removing it within 15 minutes lol.

When the minor berserk nerf news dropped, I tried dropping merciless for it... nope. Yea nope.

The difficult part about it is it’s only under 25% health and health bars jump around a lot. If it lands it’s a kill, so good for kill stealing.

I think I’ve only seen shield stacking sorcs survive it, took two.

As a healer with *** pen I think I saw it hitting for 2.2k today, so that means 8k if below 25% health... I can’t remember the execute multiplier.

It’s worse then other executes just because of the %health condition (I’d rather have the Templar one) but you have to work with what you’re given.

If you look at pve parses for magblade impale is #2 ability in damage. Magblade has been balance around a strong impale for damage, which is why the normal abilities feel like they hit like a wet noodle.

Yea the Pve side of magblade and the over tuned PVP Stam Blade make for buffing pvp magblade rather difficult.

Hopes and prayers... hopes and prayers

Yup, and since most pve trials have extra mechanics at low health they’ll scream their head off if impale is touched. I wouldn’t blame them.

Crippling bypassing reflections, plus melee magblade love is all that’s needed imo.

I think magblade being a range/melee hybrid class would be amazing. It’s just that for melee to work light attacks need to scale from mag/sp, better self healing and a self cleanse/snare immunity would be required. These are the things PvEers don’t care about, plus magblade is popular for ranged not melee.

I’d love to be daggers/destro staff or daggers/resto. I’d be a lot of fun. So if a DK hits wings then close into melee.

Instantly be a popular class. Let’s face it, daggers are cooler then staves.

I basically play at melee range with a staff anyways. Without a nonclass ult, it’s impossible not to.

Yea, but your light attacks can be reflected since they’re a projectile.

I’ve always wondered, when light attacks are reflected do you still get the magicka and heal from Siphoning strikes? I haven’t noticed.

Most players use 2 hander for forward momentum, but the light attack damage scales with stamina/weapon damage and magicka abilities have been balanced assuming you have the pen from destruction staves.

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Luckylancer wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

Have you actually used impale in PvP? It’s awful. It’s clunky and has an extra delay in it for “reasons”. Low threshold. Dodgable Cloakable Blockable. Cost more now.

As a 5 Star MNB I can honestly say it’s terrible. I’ve never had it on my bar more than 1 hour.

I’ll even make a whole build around it. But in the end all I see is “miss miss dodge dodge * * target out of range”

But if they do anything about it it’ll break pve

I dont play magblade much but isnt impale animation cancelable? For some buggy reason it gets no delay when you cancel backswing animation after casting it.

Edit: grammer fix

No idea, I focus on other things so don’t try to animation cancel.

Impale is strong but most magblades don’t use it. You need those skill slots for utility or damage, and feel like without those other abilities you can’t get someone to execute range to use it.

I love it as a magblade healer. Didn’t use it as a NB dps.

You can ani cancel it but it’s still pretty slow. I’ve tried many times adding it to the bar only to be removing it within 15 minutes lol.

When the minor berserk nerf news dropped, I tried dropping merciless for it... nope. Yea nope.

The difficult part about it is it’s only under 25% health and health bars jump around a lot. If it lands it’s a kill, so good for kill stealing.

I think I’ve only seen shield stacking sorcs survive it, took two.

As a healer with *** pen I think I saw it hitting for 2.2k today, so that means 8k if below 25% health... I can’t remember the execute multiplier.

It’s worse then other executes just because of the %health condition (I’d rather have the Templar one) but you have to work with what you’re given.

If you look at pve parses for magblade impale is #2 ability in damage. Magblade has been balance around a strong impale for damage, which is why the normal abilities feel like they hit like a wet noodle.

Yea the Pve side of magblade and the over tuned PVP Stam Blade make for buffing pvp magblade rather difficult.

Hopes and prayers... hopes and prayers

Yup, and since most pve trials have extra mechanics at low health they’ll scream their head off if impale is touched. I wouldn’t blame them.

Crippling bypassing reflections, plus melee magblade love is all that’s needed imo.

I think magblade being a range/melee hybrid class would be amazing. It’s just that for melee to work light attacks need to scale from mag/sp, better self healing and a self cleanse/snare immunity would be required. These are the things PvEers don’t care about, plus magblade is popular for ranged not melee.

I’d love to be daggers/destro staff or daggers/resto. I’d be a lot of fun. So if a DK hits wings then close into melee.

Instantly be a popular class. Let’s face it, daggers are cooler then staves.

I basically play at melee range with a staff anyways. Without a nonclass ult, it’s impossible not to.

Yea, but your light attacks can be reflected since they’re a projectile.

I’ve always wondered, when light attacks are reflected do you still get the magicka and heal from Siphoning strikes? I haven’t noticed.

Most players use 2 hander for forward momentum, but the light attack damage scales with stamina/weapon damage and magicka abilities have been balanced assuming you have the pen from destruction staves.

Pretty sure syphoning doesn’t proc, merciless doesn’t proc....

It’s great.

“Slot 2H” might as well be the new counter DKs start saying.

SirMewser

Anyron wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Soul harvest+Cloak+Concealed weapon=caluudron proc + light attack+impale = RIP

Repeat

In what lagged out server do you think you’re getting that proc set combo off?

Sure because ur laggy your whole life. I dont know how you but i have lags only when big blob comes which isnt that often (sotha EU pc)

And on gank build you tend to stay away from zergs so...
My brother runs this build and if its done properly he can rekt you even before you see hes damaging you

Before the anti bot system was implemented, the game was much more stable and lively in pvp.

Also aren't you under the age gate for the game?

"Probably cuz you so laggy"
"My brother can rekt you"

Your way of writing suggests so.