Why not an vampire lord FORM that you takes sunshine damage

xxthir13enxx

Due to the air pollution caused by the Red Mountain the Sun has next to no effect on Vampires

starkerealm

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

I mean, why bother with day or night at all, if you don't want to have to deal with the effects of day and night?

Because it would get a little weird if there was no day/night cycle.

I get what you're fishing for, but ultimately ESO is an MMO. You cannot control the time of day in game, and tying major bonuses/penalties to time of day would mean that players who were affected by those would need to schedule their active time in the game around that. This may sound appealing to you, but for many people, that's simply not an option. They've got 30 minutes or an hour, if they logged in, and found that their character would burn to death if they played, they'd log out and find something else to do.

Compare that to Skyrim, where if you load a save, find it's daylight, your vampire can simply sleep until dusk, and then come out.

You really can't restrict a character in an MMO to only being playable 1/3 of the time, especially if that's not on a schedule that player can work with.

You could go the route of Age of Conan, where there were two separate versions of each zone, one in daylight, and one at night, but even then, that's a kludgy solution. Day/Night could have bigger effects, but you really can't make a character unplayable because the player's real life schedule doesn't allow them to wait ninety minutes to play.

MerguezMan

You depiction of sun damage is globally correct, but you completely forgot the possible counters for it.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Vampires
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Vampirism

In those games:
- you have the option to "wait", skipping instantly to night-time, so you are not impacted by sunlight at all
- sunlight is somehow measured, clouds and water diminishing its effects
- you can equip constant health regen items (that are far more efficient than ESO's health regen)

And the benefits of being vampire are also slightly different:
- constant damage and speed buffs
- paralysis and disease immunity
- additional quests/storytelling

Also a point is not clear in OP, "transformation like werewolf" ... with a timer you can extend ?
You do realize that most WW builds are designed to make the transformation last for a full dungeon, do you ?

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Oh boy... Some people really don't get how SP RPG mechanics just don't work in MMOs, do they?

FYI, I have no vampires. Only werewolves & mortals.

L0rdV1ct0r

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Oh boy... Some people really don't get how SP RPG mechanics just don't work in MMOs, do they?.

I hate this excuse. Is thanks to this excuse that every mmo is now a WoW clone. On 90s, we had Ultima Online a MMO game that is extremely close to "Ultima Offline" and the game still alive after 25 years old.

ESO still better than 99,9% of mmos only by not having "spam the same rotation over and over" and fetch quests, also having a little of character building, but IMO is far worse than the worst SP TES game.

Kittytravel

If this gets added Templars will just nuke Vampires with canon sun spells.

L0rdV1ct0r

Kittytravel wrote: »

If this gets added Templars will just nuke Vampires with canon sun spells.

And it makes sense. Sunbeam on D&D can OHK any vampire.

Micah_Bayer

L0rdV1ct0r wrote: »

I an a huge elder scrolls fan. My first game was Oblivion but i've played Morrowind for over 450 hours and honestly, one think that i don't like on most recent games like Skyrim is the lack of consequences, the attributes are too simple. For ESO, i understand that an mmo can't have people using boots of blinding speed, casting damage attribute and levitation for eg since it will break the game balance but i believe that if you become an vampire, you need to deal with downsides On Daggerfall, you have an incredible high sun damage and will be considered "dead", so you gonna lose lose a lot of guild progression ranks but will gain immunity to any iron/steel weapon. On Morrowind, you will be shunned and take sun damage. On Oblivion, on first stage you will take no damage but in second, third and foth(first game to have vampire stages), will take gradually more sun damage. On Skyrim, sun only makes you weaker. Sure, you can argue that since you are in an very cold place, the sunshine is weaker than for example in Hammerfell desert.

But in ESO, you can be an pale nordic with max advanced vampirism walking during midday, in middle of Hammerfell desert and suffer nothing. So, i wold suggest, an new type of skill tree that can be get once maximized vampire skill line. The vampire lord. Similar to vampire lord for Skyrim


Vampire lord will be a transformation like werewolf. And the maximizing it, should give +50% health, 500 damage/second(and zero regen while exposed to sun) while exposed to sun, 80% weakness to fire, 4000 weapon damage and spell damage, but will be attacked by all npc's on sight and most of his skills will cost partially health. Some suggestions :

- Blood bolt - Deals X damage, costs A magicka and B vitallity, can be morphed into blood spear that costs more health but deals much more damage or blood arrow that has increased range and lower cost
- Summon gargoyle - Costs X health, can be morphed to costs stamina or to heal the caster when the gargoyle deals damage
- Enslave - Costs magicka/stamina, can be used to take control over enemy for a time(pve) or paralize the enemy(pvp), can be morphed to increase duration or reduce the cost

Ultimate :
- Blood boil - Remember the highest thaumaturgy "discipline" from vtmb"? That is it. Make the target's blood boils and deals an incredible amount of damage. If the target dies, his blood will damage nearby enemies.

So, will be a new skill line, requiring much more investment and situational. Will only be useful during the night or dungeons. It will be an completely optional transformation.

Any opinions??

4000 weapon and spell dmg. I refuse to even acknowledge the thread at this point

Noxavian

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

L0rdV1ct0r wrote: »

I an a huge elder scrolls fan. My first game was Oblivion but i've played Morrowind for over 450 hours and honestly, one think that i don't like on most recent games like Skyrim is the lack of consequences, the attributes are too simple. For ESO, i understand that an mmo can't have people using boots of blinding speed, casting damage attribute and levitation for eg since it will break the game balance but i believe that if you become an vampire, you need to deal with downsides On Daggerfall, you have an incredible high sun damage and will be considered "dead", so you gonna lose lose a lot of guild progression ranks but will gain immunity to any iron/steel weapon. On Morrowind, you will be shunned and take sun damage. On Oblivion, on first stage you will take no damage but in second, third and foth(first game to have vampire stages), will take gradually more sun damage. On Skyrim, sun only makes you weaker. Sure, you can argue that since you are in an very cold place, the sunshine is weaker than for example in Hammerfell desert.

But in ESO, you can be an pale nordic with max advanced vampirism walking during midday, in middle of Hammerfell desert and suffer nothing. So, i wold suggest, an new type of skill tree that can be get once maximized vampire skill line. The vampire lord. Similar to vampire lord for Skyrim


Vampire lord will be a transformation like werewolf. And the maximizing it, should give +50% health, 500 damage/second(and zero regen while exposed to sun) while exposed to sun, 80% weakness to fire, 4000 weapon damage and spell damage, but will be attacked by all npc's on sight and most of his skills will cost partially health. Some suggestions :

- Blood bolt - Deals X damage, costs A magicka and B vitallity, can be morphed into blood spear that costs more health but deals much more damage or blood arrow that has increased range and lower cost
- Summon gargoyle - Costs X health, can be morphed to costs stamina or to heal the caster when the gargoyle deals damage
- Enslave - Costs magicka/stamina, can be used to take control over enemy for a time(pve) or paralize the enemy(pvp), can be morphed to increase duration or reduce the cost

Ultimate :
- Blood boil - Remember the highest thaumaturgy "discipline" from vtmb"? That is it. Make the target's blood boils and deals an incredible amount of damage. If the target dies, his blood will damage nearby enemies.

So, will be a new skill line, requiring much more investment and situational. Will only be useful during the night or dungeons. It will be an completely optional transformation.

Any opinions??

4000 weapon and spell dmg. I refuse to even acknowledge the thread at this point

Considering this thread is almost a year old, you shouldnt be acknowledging it anyways....

TX12001rwb17_ESO

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

KillsAllElves

Being a wampire or a werewiolf should have severe penaltie/s.

Both fighters guild and Templar abilities should do more damage to werewolfs and wampire whether or hot the player is in transformation.

kargen27

L0rdV1ct0r wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

L0rdV1ct0r wrote: »

No, that is a strawman. My argument is :
- Vampire lord was the most popular type of vampirism in ESO games

And you don't suppose that's because, to date, the only Elder Scrolls content specifically focused on Vampirism was Skyrim's Dawnguard DLC?

Outside of that, single, release, Vampires have always been side content. It is entirely possible to play TES3, 4, and 5 (without Dawnguard installed) to completion without realizing vampires even exist in The Elder Scrolls.

L0rdV1ct0r wrote: »

Vampire lord form is ONE skill.

No, it is an extremely rare variation, unique to a different bloodline, that is, by its nature, absurdly powerful. It is not, "one skill," it would be better suited to an entirely new skill line.

Same can be applies to werewolfs. Using your logic, nobody should have werewolf form.

And do you know why skyrim is the unique game with a vampire focused DLC? Because previous games have much more interesting vampirism. Dark Brotherhood on Oblivion, tons of different clasn on Daggerfall and Morrowind. One of main complaints that Skyrim received was this. Vampirism was poorly implemented. Dawnguard is an expansion that fixed it and made vampires great again.

And guess what? ESO followed skyrim. Vampirism at moment is very lackluster.

starkerealm wrote: »

We're just ignoring that there's already a drink, in game, which reduces your current stage? Yes? No? Okay, whatever, moving on.

Yes, what about an drink game where every time that you assume that i've said something that i din't said, is one drink? I wold not recommend since will not be safe.

PS : Feeding and blood potions(suggested) should reduce the sage

starkerealm wrote: »

So, let me explain. Undeath is a critical passive for Vampire in PvE content. While it won't make you invulnerable, it can be the difference between taking a hit, and dying on the spot. This is especially true for vampire tanks.

OMG. One passive that can some times save your life on PvE/PvP? That is the best implementation of vampirism ever!!!!

Vampires should't be powerful casters and dominators receiving powerful spells/magick buffs like previous games. Should be tank fairies sparkling on sun and if you disagree, i will gonna strawman you 24/7. How dare you wanna an ESO game with an similar implementation to vampirism of previous games!!! That is the ultimate heresy!!!

starkerealm wrote: »

Arx Corinium, Blackheart Haven, Blessed ble, City of Ash 2 (technically CoA1 does as well, but it's always night), Crypt of Hearts 1 and 2 (yes, it does, look up once in awhile), Direfrost Keep, Selene's Web, Tempest Island, Volenfell, Scalecaller, Bloodroot Forge, Falkreath Hold, Imperial City Prision, White Gold Tower, Ruins of Mazzatun, March of Sacrifices (though this one might not count) and Moonhunter Keep

Yes, players will be forced to play this dungeons with low vampirism stage. At the same way that CC skills can be useful or not depending the situation. So CC skills should be removed? My idea of a vampire lord is a situational skill.

But for you only werewolfs should be able to have cool transformation with 2 dire wolf summons to help. Vampires have an situational transformation and be able to summon gargoyles? That is the ultimate heresy!!!!!

starkerealm wrote: »

Saying, "oh, yeah, but you'll only take extra damage and die while you're in stage three would cut vampires off of running any endgame content, and would make the random dungeon finder a roulette wheel of toxicity. "It's daytime, I should just queue into... oh, I'm dead."
.[/i]

And yes, nobody will just use an "blood potion'(as i've suggested) if they are in vampire stage 3/4 in this dungeons. Nobody will use another abilities, everyone will use vampire lord transformation in mid of sun. And everyone will take an small damage and be a turned into ashes Doesn't matter if a stage 3 vampire on Oblivion with 400 hp needs 100s exposed to sun to die and with high magicka and high regen skill, he can counter the damage an survive for a long time. All of my hours playing as a vampire on Oblivion was just an illusion, you justa insta die in sun. Little sun damage and insta die without any chance to lower your vampirism stage or heal is the same thing

/sarcasm

So basically you have changed from your initial request of another level of Vampirism to just wanting a different ultimate. An ultimate is what you are now comparing to and describing. Something you can activate or not.

Thevampirenight

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

starkerealm

L0rdV1ct0r wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Oh boy... Some people really don't get how SP RPG mechanics just don't work in MMOs, do they?.

I hate this excuse.

Except, there is some truth to the statement. A number of single player mechanics do not transfer over well to multiplayer. In this case, vampires and sun damage, for reasons already explained.

L0rdV1ct0r wrote: »

Is thanks to this excuse that every mmo is now a WoW clone.

No. MMOs saw what WoW did that worked, and copied that. Calling them clones is reductive.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

Thevampirenight

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

Noxavian

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

Yo you just killed him dude. @TX12001rwb17_ESO has been advocating against anything vampire lore related like he's the big cheese.

I must say, I do enjoy watching it get turned on its head.

Raisin

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it). Theoretically the NS strain should be separate from Lamae, and would progress into vampirism on its own like all other strains (incubation phase followed by death, then undeath).
Really the interesting part is that our character still follows the rules of NS, since it should get overriden. This would imply that being a Blood Scion of Lamae simply also happens to have similar limitations and rules to NS.

Thevampirenight

Raisin wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts, you can clearly see Lamae transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

Raisin

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts. You can see clearly she is transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

That's fair. I did recall the character status referring to it as Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, but maybe it's just the small text saying you've been infected by it. I know how the Blood Scion rite works, and I wasn't arguing against it -- you may have me confused with the person you were arguing with, I guess?
The one part I definitely didn't catch is that NS is the same as Lamae's strain specifically. In this case, the strain doesn't get overridden as much as the purity of it, which does directly oppose the concept of having us take sunlight damage in Blood Scion form. (And more lore related: So we don't know for sure if for example Harkon's pureblood vampirism would work on a vampire of NS strain...? And if it did (likely only on diluted one), it should override the diluted NS and instead give pure Sanguinare Vampiris?)

Thevampirenight

Raisin wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts. You can see clearly she is transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

That's fair. I did recall the character status referring to it as Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, but maybe it's just the small text saying you've been infected by it. I know how the Blood Scion rite works, and I wasn't arguing against it -- you may have me confused with the person you were arguing with, I guess?
The one part I definitely didn't catch is that NS is the same as Lamae's strain specifically. In this case, the strain doesn't get overridden as much as the purity of it, which does directly oppose the concept of having us take sunlight damage in Blood Scion form. (And more lore related: So we don't know for sure if for example Harkon's pureblood vampirism would work on a vampire of NS strain...? And if it did (likely only on diluted one), it should override the diluted NS and instead give pure Sanguinare Vampiris?)

Wasn't trying to mix you up with anyone. I don't know about bloodline mixing. Given Harkon had not found a way to become immune. It is likely it might not be possible or possibly his sense of superiority and fear prevented him from trying it. But it could also be because he might see them as weaker or fears losing his own power in the efforts. What it cost him to get it his very own strain might play a big factor into why he didn't try to get what the Lamae Strain had. In fact I think it could have brought down anger and jealously in him and likely other vampire strains also might have felt the same.

Which could have led to their decline as other vampire clans might have possibly rose up against the Blood Scions and the vampiric strain of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria driving them out or having them hunted down by proxy vampire hunter groups like the Order of the Virtious blood. It was a group of vampire hunters being used by a vampire in Elder Scrolls Oblivion. Vampires like https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Seridur who ran this group of vampire hunters likely used proxy vampire hunting groups to eliminate competition. Which might be more common place then people might realize.

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Raisin wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

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It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts, you can clearly see Lamae transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

Are you aware that in this game the disease used to be called "Sanguinare Vampiris" just like in Skyrim, then it was soon changed, incidentally it was the week after I reported it, also you should not be taking the term blood so literal, it is more a case of "This Vampire is Ripe with Disease" and it is likely their saliva which infected you.

Drinking someones blood is not going to replace your blood with theirs, if it did then Pureblooded Vampires would have serious trouble remaining pure, for one thing if you ask Serana to change you she clearly does not make you drink her Blood.

Also onto the subject of Disease, Generation should not actually make a difference at all as Vampirism is really just a Virus and they do not get weaker as they spread, if anything they would evolve as they spread from one Vampire to another which could explain the different powers so many have.

Raisin

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Thevampirenight wrote: »

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Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts. You can see clearly she is transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

That's fair. I did recall the character status referring to it as Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, but maybe it's just the small text saying you've been infected by it. I know how the Blood Scion rite works, and I wasn't arguing against it -- you may have me confused with the person you were arguing with, I guess?
The one part I definitely didn't catch is that NS is the same as Lamae's strain specifically. In this case, the strain doesn't get overridden as much as the purity of it, which does directly oppose the concept of having us take sunlight damage in Blood Scion form. (And more lore related: So we don't know for sure if for example Harkon's pureblood vampirism would work on a vampire of NS strain...? And if it did (likely only on diluted one), it should override the diluted NS and instead give pure Sanguinare Vampiris?)

Wasn't trying to mix you up with anyone. I don't know about bloodline mixing. Given Harkon had not found a way to become immune it is likely it might not be possible or possibly his sense of superiority and fear prevented him from trying it. But it could also be because he might see them as weaker or fears losing his own power in the efforts and what it cost him to get it might play a big factor into why he didn't try to get what the Lamae Strain had. In fact I think it could have brought down anger and jealously in him and likely other vampire strains also might have felt the same.
Which could have led to their decline as other vampire clans might have possibly rose up against the Blood Scions and the vampiric strain of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria driving them out or having them hunted down by proxy forces like vampire hunter groups.

It could also just mean that he could not contract Lamae's strain of NS (either pure or diluted) because his own pure strain wouldn't allow it. Ironically, this would mean that a diluted SV vampire could overcome Harkon's weakness by gaining pure NS instead... However, that would not be 'mixing' as you suggested, as much as switching. Harkon definitely has a strong sense of ownership over his strain, so I can't imagine him even considering trying out anything with Lamae, even though I'd love to see this kind of topic explored. As you say, if mixing was possible there would be a lot of implications associated with it, so it's definitely easier to just assume that nothing like that is possible. I do wonder if Greymoor will continue only showing us NS, or if some of the vampires we meet there will be SV.

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Thevampirenight wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts, you can clearly see Lamae transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

Are you aware that in this game the disease used to be called "Sanguinare Vampiris" just like in Skyrim, then it was soon changed, incidentally it was the week after I reported it, also you should not be taking the term blood so literal, it is more a case of "This Vampire is Ripe with Disease" and it is likely their saliva which infected you.

Drinking someones blood is not going to replace your blood with theirs, if it did then Pureblooded Vampires would have serious trouble remaining pure.

Do you know why they changed it? It's interesting that the strain used to be the same, but it also makes a lot of sense from a lore perspective why they instead turned it into Noxphilic Sanguivoria, conceptualising the new strain. Not only does the name fit better, but it obviously also explains the sunlight plotholes and all that. Strikes me as a decision they did specifically to fix the lore, honestly.

Lamae does replace your blood, no drinking involved, so that part is pretty clear. We don't really know how Harkon did it.
That said, drinking could still work in a lot of ways! First of all, the cheap excuse of "it has to be in a specific ritual setting to have an effect" is an easy way out. Second, vampires would usually only feed on mortals. Their blood has dominance over mortal blood (falls in line with the mechanic of beeing closer to mortals after feeding on their blood; there is AN effect of having the mortal blood in you, it's just temporary and cannot completely remove your vampirism, presumably cause of undeath?), thus you stay pureblooded. Even feeding on diluted vampire blood, the dominance rule would take place. The mixing of different strengths of vampire strains is what we're discussing above, but have little information of. The general rule however seems to be that vampire blood is simply more powerful than mortal blood, which also ties into how the disease is caught through bodily fluids in the first place. Not to mention your undeath probably affects your body in a way that supports this. Why need to drink mortal blood then? My best guess is Molag Bal said to himself "that would be sick af". (I guess ESO vampires don't actually need blood to survive. It's just a thirst programmed into them by him. This also explains why SV vampires such as Harkon gain strength by not feeding, as much as I dislike the concept... they are keeping themselves strong by keeping their blood clean.)

Thevampirenight

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Thevampirenight wrote: »

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Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts, you can clearly see Lamae transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

Are you aware that in this game the disease used to be called "Sanguinare Vampiris" just like in Skyrim, then it was soon changed, incidentally it was the week after I reported it, also you should not be taking the term blood so literal, it is more a case of "This Vampire is Ripe with Disease" and it is likely their saliva which infected you.

Drinking someones blood is not going to replace your blood with theirs, if it did then Pureblooded Vampires would have serious trouble remaining pure, for one thing if you ask Serana to change you she clearly does not make you drink her Blood.

Also onto the subject of Disease, Generation should not actually make a difference at all as Vampirism is really just a Virus and they do not get weaker as they spread, if anything they would evolve which could explain the different powers so many have.

It was always called Noxiphilic Sanguivoria but I think it was more of a mistake on their part. Given its proper name is Noxiphilic Sanguivoria. Thankfully they corrected it. Lamae herself gets stronger for every vampire of her blood line. Elder Scrolls Vampirism works similar to Vtm Vampirism in some aspects though.
In Vtm each new generation of vampire is weaker then their Sires and the Sire's sire. Till the point the bloodline gets so weak they become thin blooded. The vampirism so far removed from Caine that they can even have off spring and withstand the sun.

Also it can't be the saliva. Otherwise every person they bite would end up a vampire. Vampires have sharp fangs that can easily slide down if a vampire is not careful they might bite into their own lips or even their tongues with them. If they do this before they feed it could cross transfer into the victim and giving them the disease.

Also another thing that could do this is if a Vampire and a mortal are in a sword fight. The vampire gets stabbed and the vampires blood gets splattered onto the edge of the blade and then that very blade cuts into the mortals shoulder but the mortal is able to kill the vampire after getting stabbed with said sword. Cross transfer of vampire blood onto the blade and into the mortal's shoulder could also cause the disease to be passed on. Which could be another method of getting the vampire's disease.

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It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts. You can see clearly she is transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

That's fair. I did recall the character status referring to it as Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, but maybe it's just the small text saying you've been infected by it. I know how the Blood Scion rite works, and I wasn't arguing against it -- you may have me confused with the person you were arguing with, I guess?
The one part I definitely didn't catch is that NS is the same as Lamae's strain specifically. In this case, the strain doesn't get overridden as much as the purity of it, which does directly oppose the concept of having us take sunlight damage in Blood Scion form. (And more lore related: So we don't know for sure if for example Harkon's pureblood vampirism would work on a vampire of NS strain...? And if it did (likely only on diluted one), it should override the diluted NS and instead give pure Sanguinare Vampiris?)

Wasn't trying to mix you up with anyone. I don't know about bloodline mixing. Given Harkon had not found a way to become immune it is likely it might not be possible or possibly his sense of superiority and fear prevented him from trying it. But it could also be because he might see them as weaker or fears losing his own power in the efforts and what it cost him to get it might play a big factor into why he didn't try to get what the Lamae Strain had. In fact I think it could have brought down anger and jealously in him and likely other vampire strains also might have felt the same.
Which could have led to their decline as other vampire clans might have possibly rose up against the Blood Scions and the vampiric strain of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria driving them out or having them hunted down by proxy forces like vampire hunter groups.

It could also just mean that he could not contract Lamae's strain of NS (either pure or diluted) because his own pure strain wouldn't allow it. Ironically, this would mean that a diluted SV vampire could overcome Harkon's weakness by gaining pure NS instead... However, that would not be 'mixing' as you suggested, as much as switching. Harkon definitely has a strong sense of ownership over his strain, so I can't imagine him even considering trying out anything with Lamae, even though I'd love to see this kind of topic explored. As you say, if mixing was possible there would be a lot of implications associated with it, so it's definitely easier to just assume that nothing like that is possible. I do wonder if Greymoor will continue only showing us NS, or if some of the vampires we meet there will be SV.

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Thevampirenight wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts, you can clearly see Lamae transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

Are you aware that in this game the disease used to be called "Sanguinare Vampiris" just like in Skyrim, then it was soon changed, incidentally it was the week after I reported it, also you should not be taking the term blood so literal, it is more a case of "This Vampire is Ripe with Disease" and it is likely their saliva which infected you.

Drinking someones blood is not going to replace your blood with theirs, if it did then Pureblooded Vampires would have serious trouble remaining pure.

Do you know why they changed it? It's interesting that the strain used to be the same, but it also makes a lot of sense from a lore perspective why they instead turned it into Noxphilic Sanguivoria, conceptualising the new strain. Not only does the name fit better, but it obviously also explains the sunlight plotholes and all that. Strikes me as a decision they did specifically to fix the lore, honestly.

Lamae does replace your blood, no drinking involved, so that part is pretty clear. We don't really know how Harkon did it.
That said, drinking could still work in a lot of ways! First of all, the cheap excuse of "it has to be in a specific ritual setting to have an effect" is an easy way out. Second, vampires would usually only feed on mortals. Their blood has dominance over mortal blood (falls in line with the mechanic of beeing closer to mortals after feeding on their blood; there is AN effect of having the mortal blood in you, it's just temporary and cannot completely remove your vampirism, presumably cause of undeath?), thus you stay pureblooded. Even feeding on diluted vampire blood, the dominance rule would take place. The mixing of different strengths of vampire strains is what we're discussing above, but have little information of. The general rule however seems to be that vampire blood is simply more powerful than mortal blood, which also ties into how the disease is caught through bodily fluids in the first place. Not to mention your undeath probably affects your body in a way that supports this. Why need to drink mortal blood then? My best guess is Molag Bal said to himself "that would be sick af". (I guess ESO vampires don't actually need blood to survive. It's just a thirst programmed into them by him. This also explains why SV vampires such as Harkon gain strength by not feeding, as much as I dislike the concept... they are keeping themselves strong by keeping their blood clean.)

Harkon did it the same way Serana did it, he just bit you, his Saliva likely got into you and contaminated the Dragonborn with the Vampire Disease like the AIDS Virus.

Also speaking of the Dragonborn, think about that for a moment, it is stated that they have Dragonblood and a Dragon Soul and Harkon consumes that blood, he does not seem to comment on anything unusual and he does not get a massive boost like a certain Vampire in the Elsweyr DLC which may imply that this term is also not literal and the so called "Dragon Blood" is really just an interchangeable term to refer to someone having the soul of a Dragon, see that Vampire in Elsweyr likely assumed that the term was literal so he tried to drink the blood of an actual Dragon who would have actual Dragon Blood and he did it in an attempt to become Dragonborn, he was very wrong.

As for how it opened Sky Haven Temple, simply the same reason that Serana's Blood would work for the Tyranny of the Sun while Harkons would not despite them being not only of the same strain but also being Father and Daughter, it was just a magical seal that would only open if the blood of someone who had the soul of a Dragon was dripped onto it.

The term Pureblooded Vampire is really no different then that, just a term to make those turned by Molag Bal feel better about themselves, Lamae Bal would still have Human Blood only that blood is tainted by the Noxiphilic Sanguivoria Disease and that is what she gave the Vestige, HER REGULAR HUMAN BLOOD which was tainted by the Vampire Disease which you already had on account of being bitten by a Blood-fiend or another Player beforehand, that ritual was more symbolic then anything.

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Thevampirenight wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts, you can clearly see Lamae transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

Are you aware that in this game the disease used to be called "Sanguinare Vampiris" just like in Skyrim, then it was soon changed, incidentally it was the week after I reported it, also you should not be taking the term blood so literal, it is more a case of "This Vampire is Ripe with Disease" and it is likely their saliva which infected you.

Drinking someones blood is not going to replace your blood with theirs, if it did then Pureblooded Vampires would have serious trouble remaining pure, for one thing if you ask Serana to change you she clearly does not make you drink her Blood.

Also onto the subject of Disease, Generation should not actually make a difference at all as Vampirism is really just a Virus and they do not get weaker as they spread, if anything they would evolve which could explain the different powers so many have.

It was always called Noxiphilic Sanguivoria but I think it was more of a mistake on their part. Given its proper name is Noxiphilic Sanguivoria. Thankfully they corrected it. Lamae herself gets stronger for every vampire of her blood line. Elder Scrolls Vampirism works similar to Vtm Vampirism in some aspects though.
In Vtm each new generation of vampire is weaker then their Sires and the Sire's sire. Till the point the bloodline gets so weak they become thin blooded. The vampirism so far removed from Caine that they can even have off spring and withstand the sun.

Also it can't be the saliva. Otherwise every person they bite would end up a vampire. Vampires have sharp fangs that can easily slide down if a vampire is not careful they might bite into their own lips or even their tongues with them. If they do this before they feed it could cross transfer into the victim and giving them the disease.

Also another thing that could do this is if a Vampire and a mortal are in a sword fight. The vampire gets stabbed and the vampires blood gets splattered onto the edge of the blade and then that very blade cuts into the mortals shoulder but the mortal is able to kill the vampire after getting stabbed with said sword. Cross transfer of vampire blood onto the blade and into the mortal's shoulder could also cause the disease to be passed on. Which could be another method of getting the vampire's disease.

VTM Vampirism is passed down in blood which implies it is some sort of Virus and yet the Vampires get weaker as their generation increases, guess the person who created the World of Darkness did not think that part through.

Anyway consider the Vampires of the Doomcrag and how they were infected with Vampirism from touching an artifact, no blood spilt there, are they identical to Verandis Ravenwatch or some brand new strain created there and then?

Also you say Saliva cannot be the cause of infection? you have to take disease resistance and how much Saliva was spread into account, also consider that most Vampires kill their victims and that many who do survive a Vampire attack get cured before they transform, remember the quest where Venrandis actually has you drink his blood to see into his memories? he states this small amount is not enough to infect you, sadly they did not add dialogue for the player if they were already a Vampire.

Thevampirenight

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It is one thing people keep forgetting

We should not even have that form simply down to the fact we are thinblooded, we are not turned by Lamae Bal, as another user mentioned she just oversees the transformation, it is her Minions which perform the ritual and turn us and they are not pureblooded, at the very best we are a 3rd generation Vampire but you also have to consider the one who bites you is a random Bloodfiend or another Player so that would put you a generation below them, so it is more likely that we are 4th generation.

Every player vampire ends up becoming a Second gen vampire. Lamae's Blood overrules whatever thin blood version you got from a player or a blood fiend.
So every player vampire in Eso is a second gen vampire because of Lamae. Why? The other vampires drain you of your life force but she in turn gives you her own vampiric blood and thus makes you a more powerful form of a vampire. So every player is second gen regardless of who bite you. She is the one that turns you and being not only the first vampire but also a very powerful vampire. Every one that is turned by her directly is a second gen. Regardless of generation that bit you.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire
Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind and like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris. Noxiphilic Sanguivoria allows these Vampires to not burn or weaken in sunlight, but instead become more powerful once night falls. They have other abilities as well; some, such as invisibility, they share with other bloodlines. One particular way of acquiring this strand of vampirism is through the Rite of the Scion, a ritual in which a mortal's blood is fully replaced by that of Lamae's.[23] This act turns mortals into Scions, a powerful type of vampire. It is also the only way for a soul shriven to be infected with this strand of vampirism.

So technically the player vampire would be more powerful then the npc ones lore wise since they are second gen vampires turned directly by Lamae herself. That means they are Second Generation and no other generation. So the player vampire would be more powerful then other types of vampires and rightfully should be because of how the generations of vampire work. If you have played Dawnguard and you are a vampire before getting turned into a vampire lord then you would know that you would have the thin blooded version. But get turned by Harkon and you become Second gen. Why? because he gave you his blood. He tells you this quite clearly that his blood is potent.

Its the blood that turns you meaning he likely bites into his lips and a drop of his blood gets into you and instantly starts the turning process. The power is in the blood. Each time a new vampire is formed the blood gets weaker till generations later till they are considered nothing more then half breeds by the pure blooded vampires. They also considered them to be nothing more then diseased abominations and not vampires. This degradation plus making their lives harder is the main reason why Harkon's Vampiric Court had you go out and clear Thin Blooded vampire nests.

Harkon never actually gave you his blood, he did not cut his wrist and force feed you, all he did was bite you just as all Serana does is bite you if you ask her to turn you, you think when you contract a random disease the Vampire who infected you feeds you blood?

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon
Do I get a reward for finding your daughter?: "I was about to suggest that very thing. Yes, you most certainly deserve a reward. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

What happens now?: "You have done me a great service, and now you must be rewarded. There is but one gift I can give that is equal in value to the Elder Scroll and my daughter. I offer you my blood. Take it, and you will walk as a lion among sheep. Men will tremble at your approach, and you will never fear death again."

I'm a werewolf. What will happen if I accept your gift? "Yes, I can smell it on you. The power of my blood will purge that filth and make you whole again."

What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

He says his blood multiple times. Not just bite but blood. He mentions it multiple times if you listened to him. So yes the power is in the blood. He gave you his blood he tells you this clearly may different times. So yeah I'm pretty much going to take him at his word because he makes it clear that is what it is.
In the lore Lamae is given a drop of Molag Bals blood. A drop on the forehead. That was all that was needed for the transformation to happen. So all Harkon might need to do is get a drop on one of his vampire fangs and that is all that really is needed. So yes the blood can be passed on. Since Lamae infuses you with her very own blood that blood is very potent and given it comes from the very first vampire and a daughter of Coldharbour no less.

I'd say its beyond the doubt evidence that all player vampires in Eso are in fact second gen vampires. Lamae's a Daughter of Coldharbour not to mention the very first of all vampires. Of course her blood will turn anyone into a pure blooded vampire. To say otherwise would be insulting to to the lore since Serana also a Daughter of Coldharbour can also turn people into vampire lords. So what logic is there that Serana can do it and somehow Lamae can't?

Read up on them copied the line that talks about what all Daughters of Coldharbour are in case you didn't wan't to read it.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughters_of_Coldharbour
Being pure-blooded, all Daughters of Coldharbour are also powerful Vampire Lords.[4]

It's also worth noting that no matter how you interpret the 'my blood' lines (I also interpreted it as literally using his blood rather than symbolically being of his blood after the bite), the dialogue you get if you're already a vampire,
"You contracted a disease, perhaps, but you are no true vampire. Accept my gift and I promise that you will learn the difference."
makes it very clear that his blood overrides your previous thinblooded vampirism. While not directly stated, it's a reasonable assumption to make that the same happens with player character's in their interaction with Lamae (although I think Noxiphilic Sanguivoria remains the name of the active effect on our character sheet, which could be used to argue against it).

The name of the condition Is not important in regards to pure blood as clearly a pure blood would have a purer form of the condition but it would still be Noxiphilic Sanguivoria only difference is it would pure Noxiphilic Sanguivoria instead of a deluded version of Noxiphilic Sanguivoria . Heck they don't even name it right under the status effects just calling it vampirism after you get bit by a vampire instead of the proper term Noxiphilic Sanguivoria.
If you play the quest after you are drained by Lamae's other vampires she starts transferring her own essence into you.
Can see it for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOopGJUx5s
2:25 in is where it starts, you can clearly see Lamae transferring her own blood/essence into the prospective vampire at that stage.

Are you aware that in this game the disease used to be called "Sanguinare Vampiris" just like in Skyrim, then it was soon changed, incidentally it was the week after I reported it, also you should not be taking the term blood so literal, it is more a case of "This Vampire is Ripe with Disease" and it is likely their saliva which infected you.

Drinking someones blood is not going to replace your blood with theirs, if it did then Pureblooded Vampires would have serious trouble remaining pure, for one thing if you ask Serana to change you she clearly does not make you drink her Blood.

Also onto the subject of Disease, Generation should not actually make a difference at all as Vampirism is really just a Virus and they do not get weaker as they spread, if anything they would evolve which could explain the different powers so many have.

It was always called Noxiphilic Sanguivoria but I think it was more of a mistake on their part. Given its proper name is Noxiphilic Sanguivoria. Thankfully they corrected it. Lamae herself gets stronger for every vampire of her blood line. Elder Scrolls Vampirism works similar to Vtm Vampirism in some aspects though.
In Vtm each new generation of vampire is weaker then their Sires and the Sire's sire. Till the point the bloodline gets so weak they become thin blooded. The vampirism so far removed from Caine that they can even have off spring and withstand the sun.

Also it can't be the saliva. Otherwise every person they bite would end up a vampire. Vampires have sharp fangs that can easily slide down if a vampire is not careful they might bite into their own lips or even their tongues with them. If they do this before they feed it could cross transfer into the victim and giving them the disease.

Also another thing that could do this is if a Vampire and a mortal are in a sword fight. The vampire gets stabbed and the vampires blood gets splattered onto the edge of the blade and then that very blade cuts into the mortals shoulder but the mortal is able to kill the vampire after getting stabbed with said sword. Cross transfer of vampire blood onto the blade and into the mortal's shoulder could also cause the disease to be passed on. Which could be another method of getting the vampire's disease.

VTM Vampirism is passed down in blood which implies it is some sort of Virus and yet the Vampires get weaker as their generation increases, guess the person who created the World of Darkness did not think that part through.

Anyway consider the Vampires of the Doomcrag and how they were infected with Vampirism from touching an artifact, no blood spilt there.

Well there is also alchemical vampirism. It can also be created by Alchemy too. It is some sort of Blood-borne magical disease that alters blood composition. It is a disease but saliva passing it on I don't think so. If so every time a vampire feeds on the sleeping three days later a new vampire would be born every single time without fail. Given that does not happen at all. Means there has got to be more to it. Transfer of vampire blood or essence makes the most sense logically. Saliva alone can't do it. Doomcrag location had an artifact that enhanced life in the area but got corrupted by lots of death and a vampires touch so that is a unique situation.

Lemonsinspace

L0rdV1ct0r wrote: »

I an a huge elder scrolls fan. My first game was Oblivion but i've played Morrowind for over 450 hours and honestly, one think that i don't like on most recent games like Skyrim is the lack of consequences, the attributes are too simple. For ESO, i understand that an mmo can't have people using boots of blinding speed, casting damage attribute and levitation for eg since it will break the game balance but i believe that if you become an vampire, you need to deal with downsides On Daggerfall, you have an incredible high sun damage and will be considered "dead", so you gonna lose lose a lot of guild progression ranks but will gain immunity to any iron/steel weapon. On Morrowind, you will be shunned and take sun damage. On Oblivion, on first stage you will take no damage but in second, third and foth(first game to have vampire stages), will take gradually more sun damage. On Skyrim, sun only makes you weaker. Sure, you can argue that since you are in an very cold place, the sunshine is weaker than for example in Hammerfell desert.

But in ESO, you can be an pale nordic with max advanced vampirism walking during midday, in middle of Hammerfell desert and suffer nothing. So, i wold suggest, an new type of skill tree that can be get once maximized vampire skill line. The vampire lord. Similar to vampire lord for Skyrim


Vampire lord will be a transformation like werewolf. And the maximizing it, should give +50% health, 500 damage/second(and zero regen while exposed to sun) while exposed to sun, 80% weakness to fire, 4000 weapon damage and spell damage, but will be attacked by all npc's on sight and most of his skills will cost partially health. Some suggestions :

- Blood bolt - Deals X damage, costs A magicka and B vitallity, can be morphed into blood spear that costs more health but deals much more damage or blood arrow that has increased range and lower cost
- Summon gargoyle - Costs X health, can be morphed to costs stamina or to heal the caster when the gargoyle deals damage
- Enslave - Costs magicka/stamina, can be used to take control over enemy for a time(pve) or paralize the enemy(pvp), can be morphed to increase duration or reduce the cost

Ultimate :
- Blood boil - Remember the highest thaumaturgy "discipline" from vtmb"? That is it. Make the target's blood boils and deals an incredible amount of damage. If the target dies, his blood will damage nearby enemies.

So, will be a new skill line, requiring much more investment and situational. Will only be useful during the night or dungeons. It will be an completely optional transformation.

Any opinions??

Werewolf can be used anytime of day with no drawbacks, why should vampires get one?

Cirantille

Because I am not here to struggle and put difficulties on myself

ESO is my relax time I enjoy by doing what I want to do

I don't want it to be second life or second job for me

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Why not just make the weakness less severe

Maybe have it so during the day you heal 75% slower just as you would now as a stage 4 Vampire, at Night this weakness would not exist, instead you could heal 25% faster at night.