Proposed solution for the Undaunted Key problem

code65536

When the current version of the Undaunted Keys system was implemented in Update 12 (One Tamriel), the shoulders were split into three chests to alleviate the problem of new shoulders diluting the chances of getting a specific shoulder. At the time, Urgarlag's chest had only 4 possible shoulders, for WGT, ICP, RoM, and CoS.

As of Update 21, Urgarlag's chest now has 12 possible shoulders. And if things don't change, the next dungeon DLC will bring this up to 14. The current system does not scale well with the addition of new content.

So here's what I propose:

1. Convert Undaunted Keys to a currency similar to Writ Vouchers.
2. Make the Undaunted Chests act like magical vending machines.
   • When you interact with a chest, instead of receiving random loot, you are presented with a vendor screen.
   • The center chest will sell Undaunted shoulders.
     • You will buy a "Valkyn Skoria Coffer" that contains a Valkyn Skoria shoulder of random weight and random trait.
     • The price of the coffer could be similar to the average number of keys currently needed to get a random Valkyn Skoria shoulder from the chest. E.g., 12 keys.
     • As suggested by @DeadlyRecluse there could be a random grabbag coffer that costs 1 key and can drop any shoulder, for those people who like rolling the dice.
   • One side chest will sell the Mercenary motif. Individual chapter sold for X number of keys or the complete book for a price that is a small discount of 14*X.
   • One side chest will sell special items; for example:
     • Style pages
     • Achievement furnishings (for people who would prefer to spend keys rather than gold).
3. This would open up the way for adding other rewards to the pledge system. For example, selling supplies such as apothecary satchels.

By using coffers that contain a shoulder of random weight and trait, it would preserve some of the RNG--but it wouldn't be nearly as frustrating as dipping into the full pool of possible shoulders--and it would prevent the vendor screen from being overwhelmed by hundreds of different items.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn Please consider this, thanks.

macsmooth

Can’t believe I’m going to ask this but where did the shoulders go?

Ah never mind I see you changed the helmets to shoulders

DeadlyRecluse

I don't hate this idea!

You could even include a 1 key, random any-shoulder coffer, too, to keep that an option.

Alternatively, they could just add a 4th chest at some point to keep the ratios roughly similar.

IzzyStardust

God YES PLEASE! I was just talking about this - there are 12 sets lol when I was trying to get the new shoulders to match my new hat xD

lassitershawn

Yea. I'd probably do MORE undaunted if this was the case I'd be more encouraged to go get the same sets for other toons/specs and/or try out new combos.

ZOS_RichLambert

/lurk

Woeler

I like this.

SirAndy

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Don't you have work to do?

Draxys

/sign

I like it.

tim99

wow, thats a really good idea. well-thought, considers both sides of the party and well prepared for the future. new monsterset.. just add a new box.

this is the first idea from a player in this forum, in which i full agree.

and guess what... if there would be a chest for hosuing things like you suggested.... i would do pledges everyday again

casparian

One thing that I like about this is that it makes Undaunted chests work more similarly to the way, well, almost everything else works in the game. It makes sense that the systems for buying Alliance War sets, Undaunted sets, furniture, etc. shouldn't all be radically different from one another, and right now buying Undaunted sets is the one big outlier.

DaveMoeDee

What I find particularly annoying with the current setup is that you end up with more and more of the original 4 shoulders. I haven't even bothered trying to get shoulders from the moonhunter DLC. I decided I would wait for a few more dungeon DLC before dropping keys so that a higher percentage of shoulders make me happy.

ZOS_RichLambert

SirAndy wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Don't you have work to do?

Reading the forums is part of that... I just don't always respond.

NordSwordnBoard

Good Idea!

The PvP reward box system already operates similar to this, so implementation should hopefully be easy!

Recremen

Phaedrathallassa

If you are intending to implement something similar to the OP, be sure to make it so undaunted keys can be shared across characters! In the current system it is only mildly annoying to obtain shoulders when you have 5 keys on one and 8 on another and so on, but if the fantastic idea in the OP is implemented then it would straight up prevent me from buying any.

In fact it would be most excellent if the keys could be moved to the currency tab in this system (but please don't put a cap on it, then I would be even less incentivized to run pledges).

Reverb

I like everything about this idea. Well thought out, and well presented. Have an Awesome.

James-Wayne

I like this idea much better... the grind is real for the chests right now!

corvair62

This is a huge quality of life change. Especially if you make the keys account wide currency like writ vouchers, AP, Telvar, Gold, Transmute stones....HEY wait a minute, why are keys not already account wide currency......

Phaedrathallassa wrote: »

If you are intending to implement something similar to the OP, be sure to make it so undaunted keys can be shared across characters!

In fact it would be most excellent if the keys could be moved to the currency tab in this system (but please don't put a cap on it, then I would be even less incentivized to run pledges).

Excelleny Ideas in this thread......You still /lurking @ZOS_RichLambert this is some good thinking

WldKarde

These are some GREAT ideas! Keep em coming

Also nice to see that the /lurk Boss is in the house

Aldmor13

Just wanted to add that I too love this idea.

I was just thinking Monday about how much the DLC chest has grown over the years(which is a great problem to have), and that something will need to be done about it. This is a great option IMO.

Also love to see that /lurk

VelociousLegend

Great idea!

ezio45

code65536 wrote: »

When the current version of the Undaunted Keys system was implemented in Update 12 (One Tamriel), the shoulders were split into three chests to alleviate the problem of new shoulders diluting the chances of getting a specific shoulder. At the time, Urgarlag's chest had only 4 possible shoulders, for WGT, ICP, RoM, and CoS.

As of Update 21, Urgarlag's chest now has 12 possible shoulders. And if things don't change, the next dungeon DLC will bring this up to 14. The current system does not scale well with the addition of new content.

So here's what I propose:

1. Convert Undaunted Keys to a currency similar to Writ Vouchers.
2. Make the Undaunted Chests act like magical vending machines.
   • When you interact with a chest, instead of receiving random loot, you are presented with a vendor screen.
   • The center chest will sell Undaunted shoulders.
     • You will buy a "Valkyn Skoria Coffer" that contains a Valkyn Skoria shoulder of random weight and random trait.
     • The price of the coffer could be similar to the average number of keys currently needed to get a random Valkyn Skoria shoulder from the chest. E.g., 12 keys.
     • As suggested by @DeadlyRecluse there could be a random grabbag coffer that costs 1 key and can drop any shoulder, for those people who like rolling the dice.
   • One side chest will sell the Mercenary motif. Individual chapter sold for X number of keys or the complete book for a price that is a small discount of 14*X.
   • One side chest will sell special items; for example:
     • Style pages
     • Achievement furnishings (for people who would prefer to spend keys rather than gold).
3. This would open up the way for adding other rewards to the pledge system. For example, selling supplies such as the Alliance spell power potions.

By using coffers that contain a shoulder of random weight and trait, it would preserve some of the RNG--but it wouldn't be nearly as frustrating as dipping into the full pool of possible shoulders--and it would prevent the vendor screen from being overwhelmed by hundreds of different items.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn Please consider this, thanks.

i like this

ezio45

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Don't you have work to do?

Reading the forums is part of that... I just don't always respond.

respond more rich, we like you

Reverb

ezio45 wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Don't you have work to do?

Reading the forums is part of that... I just don't always respond.

respond more rich, we like you

But there’s a strong possibility that if he did, we wouldn’t

sylviermoone

Solid ideas here, @code65536! I just want to second (or third) that it would be awesome if keys could be account bound rather than character bound.

*edit for typo. Always freaking typos*

IzzyStardust

ezio45 wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Don't you have work to do?

Reading the forums is part of that... I just don't always respond.

respond more rich, we like you

See I have a more pressing question for @ZOS_RichLambert and that is: Are you the one who reserved the name Lich Rambert? If so, that would be the most awesome thing ever and I’ll buy the 74.99 pack of crowns right now! 😂

p00tx

This is an awesomely well thought-out idea, and I love (and approve of) every bit of it. Well done!

profundidob16_ESO

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

awesome idea. I just blew and wasted 150+ keys for one of the new DLC sets and the allmighty RNGesus did not favor me...

BuddyAces

code65536 wrote: »

When the current version of the Undaunted Keys system was implemented in Update 12 (One Tamriel), the shoulders were split into three chests to alleviate the problem of new shoulders diluting the chances of getting a specific shoulder. At the time, Urgarlag's chest had only 4 possible shoulders, for WGT, ICP, RoM, and CoS.

As of Update 21, Urgarlag's chest now has 12 possible shoulders. And if things don't change, the next dungeon DLC will bring this up to 14. The current system does not scale well with the addition of new content.

So here's what I propose:

1. Convert Undaunted Keys to a currency similar to Writ Vouchers.
2. Make the Undaunted Chests act like magical vending machines.
   • When you interact with a chest, instead of receiving random loot, you are presented with a vendor screen.
   • The center chest will sell Undaunted shoulders.
     • You will buy a "Valkyn Skoria Coffer" that contains a Valkyn Skoria shoulder of random weight and random trait.
     • The price of the coffer could be similar to the average number of keys currently needed to get a random Valkyn Skoria shoulder from the chest. E.g., 12 keys.
     • As suggested by @DeadlyRecluse there could be a random grabbag coffer that costs 1 key and can drop any shoulder, for those people who like rolling the dice.
   • One side chest will sell the Mercenary motif. Individual chapter sold for X number of keys or the complete book for a price that is a small discount of 14*X.
   • One side chest will sell special items; for example:
     • Style pages
     • Achievement furnishings (for people who would prefer to spend keys rather than gold).
3. This would open up the way for adding other rewards to the pledge system. For example, selling supplies such as apothecary satchels.

By using coffers that contain a shoulder of random weight and trait, it would preserve some of the RNG--but it wouldn't be nearly as frustrating as dipping into the full pool of possible shoulders--and it would prevent the vendor screen from being overwhelmed by hundreds of different items.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn Please consider this, thanks.

Brilliant.

BTW, you forgot to ask for sorc nerfs.

CGPsaint

BuddyAces wrote: »

Brilliant.

BTW, you forgot to ask for sorc nerfs.

You shut your dirty mouth!