What is our Class Reps personal opinions on the upcoming racial changes?

LiquidPony

BlueRaven wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

[*] Bosmer: I play one and I'd much rather have what's on the PTS than what's on Live. I understand some people are upset over the change from stealth to Hunter's Eye, but I'd rather have the dodge roll speed and the pen boost as both are very hard to acquire elsewhere whereas stealth bonuses are available on numerous sets..

"Hard to acquire" does not mean un-acquirable. Why are bosmers stuck with a PvP only ability?

And how does the loss of stealth have ANYTHING to do with the roll? There is an "AND" in that passive. We can have both Stealth AND that dumb roll you want so much. Are you claiming there is something in the code that makes it that stealth detect and the roll cannot be separated?

"Well if we are going to have this roll, that means we can't have stealth. I mean the roll just does not work if it doesn't have a have a stealth detect with it." Was this an actual talking point?

The two do not clash with one another! Again we can have the stealth AND that stupid roll!

I don't understand why this is a hard concept. Please explain why the roll has ANYTHING to do with stealth! Is there a mechanic I am not seeing here?

And stealth is a used in PvP AND PvE, stealth detect is only used in PvP. And this is fine because you don't do pve I guess? I guess the only thing you were representing was yourself.

-Signed an actual player who got the CE "Imperial Edition" when the game came out.

I would guess that cutting down on the obnoxious screeching hysterics would make for more productive conversations.

Just a thought.

Odovacar

Masel wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I think people need to understand that ZOS doesn't really care about class reps' feedback either. If they want to make a certain change, they'll make ot regardless of what anyone thinks.

That is Not True. They do care very much about our feedback. Just because some things aren't as you wish does not mean they don't care about overall feedback.

Nobody will be fully satisfied with anything for sure! Thanks for dedicating a lot of ya'll's time for the greater good of the game regardless of feedback from ESO forums.

Schattenfluegel

Ankaridan wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Argonians... we are looking to a race that is made for beginner tanks who may have sustain issues... the perfect beginner tank race.

Imperials... are the intermediate tank race.

Nords... we will see Nord being used by experienced tanks. People who are already know what they are doing and will not need those passives etc. will simply go for Nord

I'm aware this is just your opinion, and could simply be an issue of wording, but I actually find these statements problematic.

I've been tanking on an Argonian since launch, when Argonians were crap. I'm still tanking on an Argonian, and will continue to do so. My level of tanking experience is independent of that. I have tanked ALL content in the game, including vCR, on an Argonian. The suggestion that Argonians are a beginner choice and that experienced players will choose Nord doesn't really convey a very friendly message, especially coming from a class representative.

Could you even begin to imagine the forum outrage that would result if an actual ZOS member stated that Argonians were for beginners and Nords are for people who know what they are doing?

Actually...Liofas Speach is right. An Beginner Tank will always choose Argonian, because the Race have OP Sustain. Its simply the easiest way to learn Tanking. I dont know, why you just pissed off because Liofa has written it in a wrong but not in a bad way. You will never really learn to sustain with an argonian, not in the way that the other races have too. Thats why it is for Beginners

And yeah, i've gone the Hard Way too. I have already played Imperial on my Tank and it was never Meta, too. Ok i had more max stats, but i have to take care for sustain. Even Nords has it on Live and PTS, too.

Arciris

@Liofa

I wouldn't recommend Argonian as a Beginner tank_

1 - Their passive depends on a consumable, and Beginners will not have the economic resources to sustain an Argonian. It is a luxury passive.
2 - Imperial's Red Diamond provides pretty much the same sustain as an Argonain if you factor in a) the cost reduction on everything b) that no potion cooldown enchant is used. If any enchant is used, then you aggravate point 1.
3 - Imperial have 1k more health and Beginner tanks usually build for high health, as a bigger health pool makes errors more forgiving.
4 - Imperials have 2k more stamina than Argonian, along with the same sustain they are less likely to run out of Stamina, which can be a wipe for both the tank and the group. Whereas if a tank runs out of Magika, that is far less likely to happen.

Argonians are now tier 2 tanks, with the buff to other races, they no longer have a place in tier 1.

For tanking, tiers are now as follow (imo)
Tier 1:
1 - Nord. at tank's higher skill,tier, Nords offer the possibility of offering the most damage increase to their group, not only via an increase in Major Force uptime, but also because they will be able to use combinations of 2 medium sets, like Alkosh and PA (just an example)
2/3 - Orcs and I dare say in heavy fire trials and dungeons, Dunmer: almost the same stamina DPS, Orcs have higher health and a nice utility passive, Dunmer has higher resource pool overall and Fire resist.
2/3 - Imperial: higher individual damage than Nord, but slightly less damage increase for the team''s DDs

I placed Orc, Dunmer and Imperial as a tie, as the higher value of one over the other is contextual.

Tier 2:
In this Tier I would place races that have a way to gain stamina even while blocking-
1 - Redguard. Between Adrenaline Rush, the whopping 8% cost reduction on weapon abilities and + 2k stamina I dare say that they have better stamina sustain than Argonians - since stamina management is the most vital (meaning not wiping) part of tanking imo, I'm putting them in first place.
2 - Argonians : 1k health, good sustain, 6% healing done is nice to have, especially for Heal- Tank, the only situation where Argonians can fight for a tier 1 spot.
3 - Altmer: yes, just because the can get stam while blocking abeilt not a lot.

Tier 3:
1 - Breton: Magika sustain can be converted into stamina sustain on DK's and their resistances are nothing to disdain.
2 - Bosmer: 2k stam but their awesome stam regen is halted by block.Bosmer can get around that limitation with Off bar fost staff. They can get of red really fast with their roll dodge passive.
Last place: Khajiit:: a little bit of all resources, a little bit of all regen but the stam regen has the same issue and workaround than Bosmer. With heavy armor the base crit chance is too low to make the 10% more heal on crit really relevant.

My conclusion

(I know I'm a nobody lol but I still have half a working brain)

Tanking is the role that is loosing the most this Patch.
Although almost all races got something to make them more attractive for tanking. the superior support that Nords bring to this support role sets them apart and above all the other races.

max_only

LiquidPony wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

[*] Bosmer: I play one and I'd much rather have what's on the PTS than what's on Live. I understand some people are upset over the change from stealth to Hunter's Eye, but I'd rather have the dodge roll speed and the pen boost as both are very hard to acquire elsewhere whereas stealth bonuses are available on numerous sets..

"Hard to acquire" does not mean un-acquirable. Why are bosmers stuck with a PvP only ability?

And how does the loss of stealth have ANYTHING to do with the roll? There is an "AND" in that passive. We can have both Stealth AND that dumb roll you want so much. Are you claiming there is something in the code that makes it that stealth detect and the roll cannot be separated?

"Well if we are going to have this roll, that means we can't have stealth. I mean the roll just does not work if it doesn't have a have a stealth detect with it." Was this an actual talking point?

The two do not clash with one another! Again we can have the stealth AND that stupid roll!

I don't understand why this is a hard concept. Please explain why the roll has ANYTHING to do with stealth! Is there a mechanic I am not seeing here?

And stealth is a used in PvP AND PvE, stealth detect is only used in PvP. And this is fine because you don't do pve I guess? I guess the only thing you were representing was yourself.

-Signed an actual player who got the CE "Imperial Edition" when the game came out.

I would guess that cutting down on the obnoxious screeching hysterics would make for more productive conversations.

Just a thought.

There are people in this thread and forum topics that aren’t, as you say, hysterical. No response to them.
The issue could be presented with a tone of groveling and will still be ignored by Zos.
It’s almost like critiquing the tone is a way of avoiding the subject.

Gralor

Ankaridan wrote: »

Could you even begin to imagine the forum outrage that would result if an actual ZOS member stated that Argonians were for beginners and Nords are for people who know what they are doing?

Take a look at it this way: If Argonians are the beginner-friendliest tank RACE, then Dragonknights are undeniably the beginner-friendliest tank CLASS and yet the favorite of every end-game score hunter. Touché!

Juhasow

max_only wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

[*] Bosmer: I play one and I'd much rather have what's on the PTS than what's on Live. I understand some people are upset over the change from stealth to Hunter's Eye, but I'd rather have the dodge roll speed and the pen boost as both are very hard to acquire elsewhere whereas stealth bonuses are available on numerous sets..

"Hard to acquire" does not mean un-acquirable. Why are bosmers stuck with a PvP only ability?

And how does the loss of stealth have ANYTHING to do with the roll? There is an "AND" in that passive. We can have both Stealth AND that dumb roll you want so much. Are you claiming there is something in the code that makes it that stealth detect and the roll cannot be separated?

"Well if we are going to have this roll, that means we can't have stealth. I mean the roll just does not work if it doesn't have a have a stealth detect with it." Was this an actual talking point?

The two do not clash with one another! Again we can have the stealth AND that stupid roll!

I don't understand why this is a hard concept. Please explain why the roll has ANYTHING to do with stealth! Is there a mechanic I am not seeing here?

And stealth is a used in PvP AND PvE, stealth detect is only used in PvP. And this is fine because you don't do pve I guess? I guess the only thing you were representing was yourself.

-Signed an actual player who got the CE "Imperial Edition" when the game came out.

I would guess that cutting down on the obnoxious screeching hysterics would make for more productive conversations.

Just a thought.

There are people in this thread and forum topics that aren’t, as you say, hysterical. No response to them.
The issue could be presented with a tone of groveling and will still be ignored by Zos.
It’s almost like critiquing the tone is a way of avoiding the subject.

Problem is ZoS devs =/= forum moderators. Game devs are not here on forum 24/7 to partol the threads and look for non hysterical comments. They propably just take a look on forum regularly but not too long , read cursorily some comments maybe take a better look at few of them but it's really hard for them to find those few constructive comments in the overflow of madness.

Uryel

Moonsorrow wrote: »

How do you feel they are meeting the goals that were set?

Either the stated goal was a lie, or they fail miserably at reaching it. That's how I feel.

Seems to me that the real goal was to make race choice foolproof enough so that even an idiot could say "hey, this race will be good for X". So, no two races could do the same thing, and Bosmers got shafted. Hard.

Moonsorrow wrote: »

And most importantly: Bosmer with old Stealthy passive or with the Dodge Roll passive?

I don't really care about the dodge roll. It can be there, or not. But the stealth detection is an insult to lore and to the players. Stealth bonus was somewhat useful, and for some of us, at the core of our characters. Stealth detectin has no use whatsoever in PvE and completely disregards both the lore stating that Bosmers are thieves and the players that have been building them as such for 5 years.

Joy_Division

BlueRaven wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

[*] Bosmer: I play one and I'd much rather have what's on the PTS than what's on Live. I understand some people are upset over the change from stealth to Hunter's Eye, but I'd rather have the dodge roll speed and the pen boost as both are very hard to acquire elsewhere whereas stealth bonuses are available on numerous sets..

"Hard to acquire" does not mean un-acquirable. Why are bosmers stuck with a PvP only ability?

And how does the loss of stealth have ANYTHING to do with the roll? There is an "AND" in that passive. We can have both Stealth AND that dumb roll you want so much. Are you claiming there is something in the code that makes it that stealth detect and the roll cannot be separated?

"Well if we are going to have this roll, that means we can't have stealth. I mean the roll just does not work if it doesn't have a have a stealth detect with it." Was this an actual talking point?

The two do not clash with one another! Again we can have the stealth AND that stupid roll!

I don't understand why this is a hard concept. Please explain why the roll has ANYTHING to do with stealth! Is there a mechanic I am not seeing here?

And stealth is a used in PvP AND PvE, stealth detect is only used in PvP. And this is fine because you don't do pve I guess? I guess the only thing you were representing was yourself.

-Signed an actual player who got the CE "Imperial Edition" when the game came out.

I was asked for my opinion and I gave it. And now you are lecturing my with CAPS and boldface because you disagree with it.

Along with completely taking what I said out of contest. I did not say anything about ZOS's code about stealth and roll being separated and I stated very clearly that "I would rather have the dodge roll speed and pen" because I was asked for my opinion, hence the "I". I find movement speed very important in all aspects of the game, PvP and PVE, and that speed bonus is something I'll use in any stealth oriented gameplay Vs. guards and bosses with Magelight active, which hard counters stealth. I am allowed to have opinions. Those opinions are mine, not necessarily what the ESO community may or may not share.

If you want to disagree with my assessment, that's fine, but yelling at me is uncalled for and doesn't somehow make you right and me wrong. And you are wrong in accusing me of only representing myself. At our meeting, when we went over racials, everyone was ready to move on from Bosmer until one representative mentioned the community's concern about the loss of the stealth passive, and that rep was me. Nobody else was going to say anything. Even though I would much rather have Hunter's Eye, I still communicated that concern to the reps.

Yes I am responding with caps and bold face because your statements make no sense. And I did it for emphasis.

I quoted you out of context? Seriously? Was there another part where you mentioned bosmers? Did I forget to add the “sarcasm” emote at the end or something?

You said;

“Bosmer: I play one and I'd much rather have what's on the PTS than what's on Live. I understand some people are upset over the change from stealth to Hunter's Eye, but I'd rather have the dodge roll speed and the pen boost as both are very hard to acquire elsewhere whereas stealth bonuses are available on numerous sets.“

That is the entirety of your Bosmer mention I did not cut out one period from it.

And what you said is crystal clear. You like the current passive because of the roll, so your willing to sacrifice stealth. And the TWO ARE NOT connected! The roll has nothing to do with stealth!
You can have the roll and have a bonus to alchemy.
You can have the roll and get double food buffs.
The roll is not dependent on what’s on the other side of “AND” in the passive. So to say “hey, make armor, it’s fine because I like the roll” is pretty infuriating when the two are not mutually exclusive.

You can have the roll and we can have the stealth and then both of us are happy. Sheesh.

And we have a ton posts across four weeks, in this sub forum, general, and the pts ones. We posted in feed back channels and added tags. And the one person who is fine with the loss of stealth is the one who brought it up to devs? And I am supposed to feel better about this?

The devs didn’t already know about the controversy? And with you bringing it up the dev answer of basically “we will fix it later” did not offer a follow up? And in all that time that was the ONLY time this was brought up??? How about they remove stealth when they have a “fix” ready. Was that asked?

What are we supposed to do? Tell me. We post on here in all hours of the night pleading to not lose stealth. We have to put up with people who question weather Bosmer stealth is lore appropriate. Who think stealth is only used in PvP. Or who think we just want the 10% buff. Or the insults that we are just RPers and what we want can be ignored.

The devs said that we were supposed to keep a part of the original passive and we got none of it... And it’s not like we are asking for a dps boost, we just want to retain stealth. It’s why we made bosmers. I have no idea why you made one if stealth is so unimportant to you.

And all of the posts and their abusive responses were meaningless. These forums are just ignored and you are wondering why we are upset. Apparently we would have been better served to drive down to Maryland with a megaphone.

You are still taking me out of context and getting mad at me for something I did not say.

You keep insisting and yelling at me that roll and stealth are not connected when I never made any statement that they were or that they were mutually exclusive. My opinion, which I was asked for, is that I prefer roll over stealth. That opinion is just based on what's on the PTS and what's on Live. That's all. It has nothing to do with roll and stealth being connected or not.

I am not the only person fine with the change from Live to PTS. You mention the ton of posts who feel similar to you, but people who play Bosmers have specifically told me they'd much rather have the dodge speed boost than the old Stealth passive. There are multiple ways of evaluating a change. That is why we have opinions (and are allowed to have them).

The Devs are aware of your feedback. As I wrote in the meeting notes:

"Reps specifically asked about the community’s concern that bosmers are trading stealth for different buffs. We were told that ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race. With these additions, stealth gameplay will open up to more players, and also allow bosmers to have the nice combat buff will still having avenues to be as stealthy as before."

They've heard the concerns, but have opted to address that concern through means other than a specific racial passive. We only have two hours in the meeting and as it is, we didn't get to everything that's on the PTS. Do you expect me to argue with the devs for 10 minutes about one specific passive for one specific race, and skip over an entire facet of the game such as tanking? What more do you want me to do? I communicated a concern that goes contrary to my own preference and it's not my decision what changes the Devs make. Just today another class rep repeated this concern, although it's not a priority to them either.

As for what you are supposed to do, here's a start: stop yelling at me and accusing me of stuff I didn't do. After that, people are just going to have to realize that however passionate they are or however awesome they think their suggestion may be, the reality of the situation is that their passion and their suggestion are not automatically special, a priority, more valid than other people's, or game-breaking. As strongly as you feel about the Bosmer Stealth passive, I feel about Templar Radial Sweep needing to be 8 meters. Guess what? It's still a stupid 6 meters on the PTS, but you don't see me coming onto these forums yelling at people or lecturing them about things they never said. Movement in PvP, class variety in end-game trial DPS, Battleground match-making reform, latency/game performance, desperately needed quality of life changes (why does ESO have only 100 contacts, what is this 2003?), etc., there are hundreds if not thousands of issues in this game that need reform and attention from the devs. Other than that, you've done what you could. The case has been presented, it's clear, it has been communicated to the devs, they have acknowledged it, and they come up with a reform that you don't agree with. It happens. Ask anyone who has ever played this game. Including me. Blazing Shards still does not stun. Oh well. Getting mad at me and accusing me of stuff I didn't do is most certainly not going to improve the situation.

As for why I made a Bosmer, I did so because my guild plays on the Aldmeri Dominion and I generally prefer to play these sorts of games "in character," and being an Orc or Reguard, both of which are mechanically superior in the sort of combat I engage in, didn't feel right to me given ESO's setting. Also in playing the game (i.e. by doing the zone quests and interacting with the NPCs), I began to appreciate Bosmers much more than I have previously (I have played hundred of hours of Skyrim and did not make a single Bosmer). There are other reasons why people play Bosmers and the stealth passive is not necessary crucial in the choice. You're not even allowing for the possibility of such a perspective since you have "no idea" why I or anyone else would make a Bosmer independent of their stealth passive.

Cundu_Ertur

Do you at least understand that there is a substantial amount of in game lore that supports the notion that Bosmer are supposed to be stealthy? Do you understand that people like me, and several others, who have played Bosmer characters in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim are heavily invested in what that race stands for? The fact is, in the 3 games where there was a bonus to stealth for any race, Bosmer had the biggest bonus in two of them. Bosmer have been recommended as thieves in every game, without exception -- yes, including Arena. But now, suddenly, Bosmer have a completely new skill that had never existed, and had never been mentioned in any aspect of the lore, which is far more suitable for a guard than a thief, and which over-writes what is probably the single most important ability for a thief to have?
And the only consolation we have is that MAYBE one day in some vague and completely undetermined future, Bosmer MIGHT be able to sneak exactly as well as those races that had NEVER had a bonus to hiding, that have NO lore indicating any cultural affinity for stealth? I'm sorry, but that's garbage.

Equally garbage is ZOS refusal to explain why they have decided to throw out the lore in a set of changes that were supposed to be closer to the lore, and ZOS refusal to explain how removing the stealth bonus from 50% of the races that had it for the past 5 years is supposed to improve diversity with regards to thievery. Seriously, there is ONE and only ONE optimized race for thieves at this point. How is that diverse? And now, here we are on the eve of these changes going live, and there has been not the slightest attempt to engage with those of us who have tried to bring these matters up, not the slightest acknowledgement of our concerns or the reasons behind them, hell not even the slightest acknowledgment of our simple existence.

And ultimately, the question isn't 'roll-dodge or stealth.' The question is 'stealth bonus or anti-stealth detection bonus.' The roll-dodge didn't replace stealth, it replaced the extra damage out of stealth that both Khajiit and Bosmer had before. What we have in place of our stealth is a counter-stealth detection bonus. And how many people are honestly looking forward to that? All those people lining up to buy 'Way of Air' armor sets?

edit to add: I realize this probably sounds angry and frustrated, and that's only because I'm angry and frustrated. but it isn't directed at you. I think it's also garbage how ZOS is trying to hide behind you guys, thanks for coming and trying to explain your position; just please try to understand ours.

Razorback174

Joy_Division wrote: »

The Devs are aware of your feedback. As I wrote in the meeting notes:

"Reps specifically asked about the community’s concern that bosmers are trading stealth for different buffs. We were told that ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race. With these additions, stealth gameplay will open up to more players, and also allow bosmers to have the nice combat buff will still having avenues to be as stealthy as before."

I can't help but call BS on ZOS for this one. If that were truly the case, why do Khajiit get to keep that stealth bonus and Bosmer don't? After all, if they're looking at making stealth gameplay not race-related, why should one get such a bonus?

I have absolutely no faith in them ever implementing such a system. This is a load of PR nonsense just to try to calm people down while they continue to disregard the established lore and gut racial identity anywhere they please.

"Here's your stick to fight with for now, but we're looking into options to allow you to have a sword later!"

Yeah, I'm sure we'll be seeing that "new system" right after they get around to implementing spellcrafting...

Kesstryl

Thank you class reps for your opinions. Some of us know these are your opinions and that you are not the ones pushing some bad race changes on us. As someone looking to survive these upcoming changes, your opinions have helped me to think through some of my builds. I'm one of the people who will not be race changing as my characters are more than just game number crunchers to me. They are characters in a story, and they are who they are.

Moonsorrow

No point in blaming our class reps for the Bosmer situation, clearly they have taken our concerns to the Devs, so they know about it and for sure have also read a lot of our messages about it.

Class reps just end up as scapegoats since there is silence from ZOS about it.

My personal feeling says, that ZOS is silent most likely because this time they do not have any good explanation aka legendary developer comment to say about it since they know it breaks the lore and hard, it also breaks the hearts of the players who been playing Bosmer thieves for years. So they are silent.

Other reason might be already planned new sneaking gear sets (who knows even a monster/arena set for sneaking/stealing) or updated or entirely new skill line about stealthy play.

If class reps would know about it, would be under the NDA and they cannot talk about it, ZOS for sure will not talk about it.. in that case of course, Khajiit will end up still with more bonus to stealthy play so still for lore reasons, Bosmers are not feeling the love from ZOS.

But, it is what it is.. do not be angry at class reps, they`ve done their best.

Cathexis

Tasear wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

Some of what you are asking for can be found here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459718/are-you-happy-with-the-racial-changes-that-most-likely-will-go-live/p4

Starting with post 95 and continuing through the thread

Masel wrote: »

All parses and math I have seen show that these races are all within a margin that can be put down to human error and chance at this point, and it baffles me how big of a deal these tiny differences are to many people. This is the first time I understand that you simply can't do it right. People will complain whatever change is coming, and it is quite difficult to filter out unbiased reasonable feedback.

The gist of Masel's point is that races are parsing close to one another, this is a buff compared to live for races like Bosmer and he thinks that people are losing sight of this in their complaints about things like hunter's eye. He does acknowledge that hunter's eye is not that great but on net, he thinks this is a good set of changes.

Some of the responses express frustration with the focus on parsing and not adequately considering lore and the importance of stealth for the Bosmer race. It's a good read although it doesn't really resolve anything.

Agruing masel opinion somethings aren't just about numbers for people in regards to balance.

This is the argument I would make.

While the changes on paper come down to perhaps random chance, the ability to tank indefinitely is at an all time high such that more often than not encounters come down already to pseudo-random chance.

Also on paper these changes may look insignificant, but in practice I can tell you some of the changes are vastly superior. This is because the perspective on balanced changes is non-reflective of the balance of the actual PvP environment.

Cathexis

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Raven is correct, there is an "and." The roll dodge was to replace the attack bonus out of stealth. The penetration bonus was because the initial dodge bonus had to be scaled back (which was clearly going to happen). We could have easily retained stealth where the useless detection bonus sits now. Speaking of which, what is the point of that? What is the value of that? Where is the use of that? None, none, and none is all I can come up with.

Also, "lots of sets" is actually two. There are two sets that grant a 2m bonus to stealth. We'd need to run both to get what we are losing to this miserably useless stealth detection garbage. So what you are saying, is my Bosmer who I built to replicate my Bosmers in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim -- all of who had bonuses to stealth, cannot have a bonus to stealth, despite all of the lore the surrounds the special role that stealth has for Bosmer culture. WHY.

I do not understand why someone on the dev team has such a massive hate on for Bosmer, I truly don't, but if you want to gut them just do it entirely and remove them from the game.
Seriously. If they don't get stealth, they are not Bosmer, delete them all.

As an orc who loves orcs and loves kiting, I support those bosmers who feel this way. Restore bosmers stealth and restore orcs to the fastest race.

ruikkarikun

@Masel thanks for great detailed information, very helpful!

Joy_Division

@Cundu_Ertur that's fair enough.

Lord-Otto

@Joy_Division

Ah, yes, Spellcharge...
It now uses "Alteration Magic". You know, that was such a Bungie move from ZOS. While back (and still ongoing), Destiny's upgrading started requiring masterwork cores. Community outcried. Bungie answered by renaming the cores to "Enhancement Cores" - a spit in the face to the players.

Same story here. ZOS are pooping on our desks and call it chocolate pudding. Crappy stam racial will remain crappy stam racial, even if you invent a story to fit it into the lore. Which it still doesn't. No solution was found. Simply shrugged it off with the power of friendship, I mean, alteration.

What I'm getting at is you're useless. Stay your gun. I feel sorry for the effort you representatives put in. It's being ignored. One just has to look at the in-combat bug to see it. ZOS don't want to actually deal with the feedback you're providing. That makes the class rep program redundant, despite your work.

max_only

Interesting.