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Tracking Daily Writ Reward Drop Rates & Refining Rates

  • tmbrinks
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    AONomad wrote: »
    Hey again! Just noticed profit per character per month says 569k now on your spreadsheet-- what made that go up from 400k in your original post? I think even last time we chatted a few weeks ago it was still around 380-420k if memory serves. Did you update values for something?

    This is good news haha. =)

    1. The cost of the base mats has come down some since we talked
    2. I had forgotten to update it from 18 characters doing jewelry crafting to 36 once my alt account gained access to Summerset and JC.
    3. I do check and update the MM prices of the relevant materials that are used, I do that about once a month, when I remember :lol:

    EDIT: never mind... I had a mistake in that calculation... I was double counting jewelry crafting when I changed what I did in #2, but I had already accounted for that previously... :tired_face:
    Edited by tmbrinks on July 23, 2019 7:20PM
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  • AONomad
    AONomad
    Alright!

    I popped by because I was calculating some gold/crown/gem/time exchange rates, here's what I came up with in case you're curious:

    https://puu.sh/DWtso/027bc84841.png

    So basically, for anyone making $15 per hour, it's roughly 3x more efficient to buy 21k crown packs on sale than to farm gold. Farming gold is roughly equivalent to a $5/h wage, going by 570k * 15 characters / (30 hours of daily writs + 12 hours of monthly surveying).
  • tmbrinks
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    AONomad wrote: »
    Alright!

    I popped by because I was calculating some gold/crown/gem/time exchange rates, here's what I came up with in case you're curious:

    https://puu.sh/DWtso/027bc84841.png

    So basically, for anyone making $15 per hour, it's roughly 3x more efficient to buy 21k crown packs on sale than to farm gold. Farming gold is roughly equivalent to a $5/h wage, going by 570k * 15 characters / (30 hours of daily writs + 12 hours of monthly surveying).

    It probably is more efficient to just buy the crowns and then sell them. I don't really have that disposable income in my real life, but I do have disposable time.

    I can get all 36 character's writs done a day on my account in under 90 minutes a day. So, I might be a little more efficient than $5/hour :lol:

    At least I know it wouldn't be feasible to use writs alone to try and make money farming gold in the game :smiley:
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  • wishlist14
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    You have 27 characters with maxed out character slots? You bought 9 character slots? Omg

    I dont really think you are the norm. I think you are an exception with all due respect.

    Im curious to know how many ppl even have the time yo do that. No offence intended btw....How do you manage it?
  • redlink1979
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I can get all 36 character's writs done a day on my account in under 90 minutes a day

    Respect! :D :D :D

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  • AONomad
    AONomad
    Lol I should probably disable more addons... I do writs really quickly (rapid maneuvers, alchemy & provisioning pre-crafted in bank, and I jump over the dock bridge to get to the crafting area in Vivec), but I spend almost 4 minutes in loading screens between characters. :(

    and lol @wishlist14, he never claimed to be the norm. The whole point of his research was that no one else has documented writ income with this level of detail.
  • wishlist14
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    AONomad wrote: »
    Lol I should probably disable more addons... I do writs really quickly (rapid maneuvers, alchemy & provisioning pre-crafted in bank, and I jump over the dock bridge to get to the crafting area in Vivec), but I spend almost 4 minutes in loading screens between characters. :(

    and lol @wishlist14, he never claimed to be the norm. The whole point of his research was that no one else has documented writ income with this level of detail.

    Yes I was just expressing surprise lol 😆😆😆
  • tmbrinks
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    wishlist14 wrote: »
    You have 27 characters with maxed out character slots? You bought 9 character slots? Omg

    I dont really think you are the norm. I think you are an exception with all due respect.

    Im curious to know how many ppl even have the time yo do that. No offence intended btw....How do you manage it?

    It actually takes 2 accounts to have 36 characters, so I've bought 19 additional character slots

    9 on the main account that has Elsweyr, and 10 on the alt account that does not have Elsweyr (so I didn't get the "free" one with the expansion)

    I do have ESO+ on both accounts. I buy the 1 year subscription, so it's like $340 a year I spend on the game, less than a $1 a day ($140 for the sub x 2 + $60 expansion)

    I use the crowns from those subs for the extra character slots, or, I've purchased then with gold from TCE.

    I certainly know I'm not the norm when it comes to doing the daily writs, and as @AONomad said, I won't pretend I am. Also, because I'm not the norm, and have access to some robust data, due to sheer volume, I like to share that with others who may benefit from it.
    AONomad wrote: »
    Lol I should probably disable more addons... I do writs really quickly (rapid maneuvers, alchemy & provisioning pre-crafted in bank, and I jump over the dock bridge to get to the crafting area in Vivec), but I spend almost 4 minutes in loading screens between characters. :(

    and lol wishlist14, he never claimed to be the norm. The whole point of his research was that no one else has documented writ income with this level of detail.

    I do the same thing with mine, except I do them in Alinor. I think Alinor is quicker IF you have the banker assistant, otherwise Vivec is probably fastest, since the bank is there. I also have an add-on called Slash Assistant where I only have to type /b and it summons my banker, so I don't have to go through the menus.

    I also multiscreen the two accounts, so that load screens are effectively meaningless to me. I have two instances of the game installed, and both running at the same time. So, when one is loading through the character screen and loading in, the other one is doing their writs. (ZoS has said this is fine, since I'm doing all the controls on both screens, there are no automated things happening while I'm off screen.) I get the occasional lag, so it's not as fast as just doing 1 at a time, but it's a huge time saver.

    I have most of my add-ons still on, and my load screens average about 90 seconds per character from hitting log out, to when the next character is logged on. I have good equipment for my computer, but not necessarily the "best" there is, although I did go premium on the CPU, which seems to be most people's bottleneck with ESO.
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  • AONomad
    AONomad
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I do the same thing with mine, except I do them in Alinor. I think Alinor is quicker IF you have the banker assistant, otherwise Vivec is probably fastest, since the bank is there. I also have an add-on called Slash Assistant where I only have to type /b and it summons my banker, so I don't have to go through the menus.

    I also multiscreen the two accounts, so that load screens are effectively meaningless to me. I have two instances of the game installed, and both running at the same time. So, when one is loading through the character screen and loading in, the other one is doing their writs. (ZoS has said this is fine, since I'm doing all the controls on both screens, there are no automated things happening while I'm off screen.) I get the occasional lag, so it's not as fast as just doing 1 at a time, but it's a huge time saver.

    I have most of my add-ons still on, and my load screens average about 90 seconds per character from hitting log out, to when the next character is logged on. I have good equipment for my computer, but not necessarily the "best" there is, although I did go premium on the CPU, which seems to be most people's bottleneck with ESO.

    I use a similar banker addon, I hotkeyed F10 to pull him up and it's so freakin' convenient. Also I'm sure you have it already, but in case anyone else is reading this, PersonalAssistant is good for automatically dumping surveys etc. into bank when you open it up!

    Multiscreening sounds amazing, that's clutch. Do you have dual monitors or just alt-tab between them? And lol what kind of PC do you have that can handle two instances at a time? I do that sometimes when I have my trading account running at the same time as my main, but the lag is very noticeable. (I have Ryzen 5 1400 which is pretty low-end, 16 GBs of RAM, installed on an SSD).

  • tmbrinks
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    AONomad wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I do the same thing with mine, except I do them in Alinor. I think Alinor is quicker IF you have the banker assistant, otherwise Vivec is probably fastest, since the bank is there. I also have an add-on called Slash Assistant where I only have to type /b and it summons my banker, so I don't have to go through the menus.

    I also multiscreen the two accounts, so that load screens are effectively meaningless to me. I have two instances of the game installed, and both running at the same time. So, when one is loading through the character screen and loading in, the other one is doing their writs. (ZoS has said this is fine, since I'm doing all the controls on both screens, there are no automated things happening while I'm off screen.) I get the occasional lag, so it's not as fast as just doing 1 at a time, but it's a huge time saver.

    I have most of my add-ons still on, and my load screens average about 90 seconds per character from hitting log out, to when the next character is logged on. I have good equipment for my computer, but not necessarily the "best" there is, although I did go premium on the CPU, which seems to be most people's bottleneck with ESO.

    I use a similar banker addon, I hotkeyed F10 to pull him up and it's so freakin' convenient. Also I'm sure you have it already, but in case anyone else is reading this, PersonalAssistant is good for automatically dumping surveys etc. into bank when you open it up!

    Multiscreening sounds amazing, that's clutch. Do you have dual monitors or just alt-tab between them? And lol what kind of PC do you have that can handle two instances at a time? I do that sometimes when I have my trading account running at the same time as my main, but the lag is very noticeable. (I have Ryzen 5 1400 which is pretty low-end, 16 GBs of RAM, installed on an SSD).

    I have 3 monitors, so they're up on 2 of them.. usually have Discord open on the third.

    I have a i7-8700k, OCd to 4.5 GHz, 16 GB DDR4 RAM, on an SSD as well. Debating if I want to update to a M.2. Although the 2nd instance is installed on a 4 TB 5400 RPM storage drive, so that's on the low end :lol:

    I actually don't use any add-on to put stuff directly into my bank (have lost stuff with them before). I only use Dustman to mark junk (ornates/known recipes/etc)
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  • AONomad
    AONomad
    Oooh that sounds like a sick setup. But yeah you should upgrade that HDD lol. =)

    Thanks again for humoring all my questions, appreciate it!
  • Shanehere
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I do writs on 27 characters a day (most days), so I felt like I would have enough data to over ride any "noise" that was in the data from random RNG.

    How long does it take you to do this? It takes me like 30 minutes to do daily writs, mount upgrades, and research on only 5 characters. 27!? I feel like that would take hours.
  • AONomad
    AONomad
    Shanehere wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I do writs on 27 characters a day (most days), so I felt like I would have enough data to over ride any "noise" that was in the data from random RNG.

    How long does it take you to do this? It takes me like 30 minutes to do daily writs, mount upgrades, and research on only 5 characters. 27!? I feel like that would take hours.

    He said less than 90 minutes for all of them, notably he runs two separate ESO instances so he can keep during writs while the other account is during load screens.
  • tmbrinks
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    Shanehere wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I do writs on 27 characters a day (most days), so I felt like I would have enough data to over ride any "noise" that was in the data from random RNG.

    How long does it take you to do this? It takes me like 30 minutes to do daily writs, mount upgrades, and research on only 5 characters. 27!? I feel like that would take hours.
    AONomad wrote: »
    Shanehere wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I do writs on 27 characters a day (most days), so I felt like I would have enough data to over ride any "noise" that was in the data from random RNG.

    How long does it take you to do this? It takes me like 30 minutes to do daily writs, mount upgrades, and research on only 5 characters. 27!? I feel like that would take hours.

    He said less than 90 minutes for all of them, notably he runs two separate ESO instances so he can keep during writs while the other account is during load screens.

    What AONomad said... and I'm up to 36 a day now since Elsweyr has released and the maximum has been raised to 18 per account. I did them today in 95 minutes.. and that includes the deconning of intricates/glyphs, researching of traits on the last 10 characters, feeding horses on the 10 I have that are not at max training yet.
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  • wishlist14
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    I came back to reread post and I am very impressed at your findings and I too find this information most useful. I do have 9 level 50s and a few do writs and i have questioned in the past wether it's worth doing them on all my charactrrs or on just a couple. I see the gold profit is worthwhile imo. It's more about time management with me. I do dailies and riding lessons on my alts and daily trial if i can fit it in time wise. The log ins take a while.


    Thank you for this information i think it will benefit many
  • AONomad
    AONomad
    Oh btw, you should update the main post with the new 570k per month figure, it still says 400k from your earlier spreadsheet.
  • tmbrinks
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    AONomad wrote: »
    Oh btw, you should update the main post with the new 570k per month figure, it still says 400k from your earlier spreadsheet.

    It's not quite that high.. there was a math error, as I was "double counting" Jewelry, since when I initially set it up, half of my characters were not doing jewelry writs since my alt account didn't have access to it.

    It's at 467k per month per character now
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    Elearíum - Breton Templar - DC - Extinguisher of Flames - Bringer of Light - Blackrose Executioner - Flawless Conqueror
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  • rsantijw13
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    up until last week I had the stats from mine going back 4+ years. even refining rates nice to see others doing it
  • redlink1979
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    wishlist14 wrote: »
    ...i have questioned in the past wether it's worth doing them on all my charactrrs or on just a couple...

    It's worth doing with all the chars. I get at least 36k daily from 8 chars.
    You can save a few time if you do a large amount of required items for alchemy and provisioning writs. I won't advise to do the same with enchantment because the crafted glyphs don't stack in the inventory.

    I take about an hour to run all 8, with crafting selling deconstructing and managing bank/inventory on all. Loading screens is where we all lose precious minutes - 8 logins and 7 logouts here...

    Edited by redlink1979 on July 26, 2019 1:59PM
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  • tmbrinks
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    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yQDUjYNQVsIFl0ktkbkSlfYPkzP6pgCOTMQ-qCuzfaI/edit#gid=1071793449

    With Scalebreaker's release on PC tomorrow 8/12, data has updated with the last of the writs that will be done for this patch.

    *notes

    1) Master writ drop rate seemed to go up, I believe this is due to the sheer number of motifs some of my characters learned during the anniversary event.

    2) Provisioning rates were low. 6 new characters who knew virtually no recipes probably bought this down some.

    3) Chromium rates are still artificially low for the overall (alt account only has 4 characters doing max level writs) it's at nearly 25% for the main account.

    4) Survey rates might be off because of bugs early in Elsweyr.

    5) Individual rates for accounts can be seen on other tabs at the end, just didn't want to clutter the initial pages.
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    Elearíum - Breton Templar - DC - Extinguisher of Flames - Bringer of Light - Blackrose Executioner - Flawless Conqueror
    Elorim - Altmer Templar - EP - Flawless Conqueror - Sunspire Saint
  • AONomad
    AONomad
    Will be curious to see how adding zircon grains to the JC writ reward droplist affected chromium grain drop chance. I'll check back in with ya in a month or two to see how it's going haha
  • tmbrinks
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    AONomad wrote: »
    Will be curious to see how adding zircon grains to the JC writ reward droplist affected chromium grain drop chance. I'll check back in with ya in a month or two to see how it's going haha

    So far, it doesn't appear to have changed it at all.

    My current hypothesis on the drop rates are as follows

    Terne: 10-15%
    Iridium: 30-35%
    Zircon: 25-30%
    Chromium: 20-25%

    There's approximately a 15% chance of receiving a "double drop" of any of the above. There's approximately a 1% chance of receiving a full plating.

    It also appears that the drop rates of the Terne and Iridium grains are more heavily weighted on the lower tier writs. But they aren't guaranteed either at those levels.

    Edited by tmbrinks on August 20, 2019 2:24PM
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    Elearíum - Breton Templar - DC - Extinguisher of Flames - Bringer of Light - Blackrose Executioner - Flawless Conqueror
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  • AONomad
    AONomad
    Oh neat that's good news indeed. :)
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