Raid/Buffed DPS Test [Each Class/Each DD Race] PTS 4.3.3

susmitds

@Ri_Khan @Protoavis73 Couldn't find a viable to way to keep the ultigen passive of Nord procced so doing a parse with them, when their main passive ain't working felt not worthwhile. If you ask me, tbh I think they will be half way between the sustain races and no racial. Ulti-gen is not that good for DPS, otherwise Decisive would have been good DPS, but the sad truth is, you don't feel the extra ulti-gen for PvE DPS.

zaria

Jhalin wrote: »

Protoavis73 wrote: »

Ri_Khan wrote: »

Too bad Nords didn't get invited to the DD party

Agree, I think they're probably close to 'no racial' dps. It's all quite close imo.
Being a Nord Stamina NB myself I find this data very useful to see which race change I might be interested in.
@susmitds Thanks for the data!

I’m pretty sure they are the “No Racial”
control parse

Nord has 1500 stamina and 1000 health who make them better than no racials.
An Breton stamina build or Bosmer magic is no racial.
Nord would end up a below Imperials however, no sustain and less resources.

carlos424

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is no reason to pick any race other than Breton in PvE right now. That's a problem.

I don't want to be rude but this problem exists solely in your (and a few others') head(s).

Then explain to me a single endgame scenario where it is advantageous to pick Altmer over Breton.

You said Altmer are better in trash fights. How many people have duplicates of their vMA or other set staves and can just carry 2 around (1 with a berserker glyph and 1 with an absorb glyph) to swap out between trash fights and boss fights?

I, and many people on mag characters are currently playing a dark elf. I use a shock glyph on back bar fire on front. I was using absorb magicka on back, but find that with competent raid groups (orbs, shards), and all the templars running around now (shards), sustain really isn’t much of an issue.
Currently, dark elves have no boost to sustain, so by picking an Altmer or staying Dunmer next patch, I will have no difference in sustain. So the real question is, why would I choose Breton and lose the spell damage?

Seraphayel

carlos424 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is no reason to pick any race other than Breton in PvE right now. That's a problem.

I don't want to be rude but this problem exists solely in your (and a few others') head(s).

Then explain to me a single endgame scenario where it is advantageous to pick Altmer over Breton.

You said Altmer are better in trash fights. How many people have duplicates of their vMA or other set staves and can just carry 2 around (1 with a berserker glyph and 1 with an absorb glyph) to swap out between trash fights and boss fights?

I, and many people on mag characters are currently playing a dark elf. I use a shock glyph on back bar fire on front. I was using absorb magicka on back, but find that with competent raid groups (orbs, shards), and all the templars running around now (shards), sustain really isn’t much of an issue.
Currently, dark elves have no boost to sustain, so by picking an Altmer or staying Dunmer next patch, I will have no difference in sustain. So the real question is, why would I choose Breton and lose the spell damage?

I was asking this question in another thread and there is no answer to it. I had the exact same reasoning as you. He and the other guys don't have an answer. Their opinion "Altmer inferior" is so set in stone that you can basically bring up anything that proves them superior and they would just make up new arguments that fit their narrative of "Altmer inferior".

carlos424

Seraphayel wrote: »

carlos424 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is no reason to pick any race other than Breton in PvE right now. That's a problem.

I don't want to be rude but this problem exists solely in your (and a few others') head(s).

Then explain to me a single endgame scenario where it is advantageous to pick Altmer over Breton.

You said Altmer are better in trash fights. How many people have duplicates of their vMA or other set staves and can just carry 2 around (1 with a berserker glyph and 1 with an absorb glyph) to swap out between trash fights and boss fights?

I, and many people on mag characters are currently playing a dark elf. I use a shock glyph on back bar fire on front. I was using absorb magicka on back, but find that with competent raid groups (orbs, shards), and all the templars running around now (shards), sustain really isn’t much of an issue.
Currently, dark elves have no boost to sustain, so by picking an Altmer or staying Dunmer next patch, I will have no difference in sustain. So the real question is, why would I choose Breton and lose the spell damage?

I was asking this question in another thread and there is no answer to it. I had the exact same reasoning as you. He and the other guys don't have an answer. Their opinion "Altmer inferior" is so set in stone that you can basically bring up anything that proves them superior and they would just make up new arguments that fit their narrative of "Altmer inferior".

Ha ha. Typical of these forums. Some people just like to be argumentative. That being said, I might try playing Breton on my mag sorc alt, since he has more issues with sustain than my other characters. But my magplar main is going to be an elf. Also, looking forward to pulling out my magwarden. Should hit a little harder with the change to destruction staff passive-not needing to slot a useless destruction staff ability. (He will also remain an elf : )

zaria

Seraphayel wrote: »

carlos424 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

There is no reason to pick any race other than Breton in PvE right now. That's a problem.

I don't want to be rude but this problem exists solely in your (and a few others') head(s).

Then explain to me a single endgame scenario where it is advantageous to pick Altmer over Breton.

You said Altmer are better in trash fights. How many people have duplicates of their vMA or other set staves and can just carry 2 around (1 with a berserker glyph and 1 with an absorb glyph) to swap out between trash fights and boss fights?

I, and many people on mag characters are currently playing a dark elf. I use a shock glyph on back bar fire on front. I was using absorb magicka on back, but find that with competent raid groups (orbs, shards), and all the templars running around now (shards), sustain really isn’t much of an issue.
Currently, dark elves have no boost to sustain, so by picking an Altmer or staying Dunmer next patch, I will have no difference in sustain. So the real question is, why would I choose Breton and lose the spell damage?

I was asking this question in another thread and there is no answer to it. I had the exact same reasoning as you. He and the other guys don't have an answer. Their opinion "Altmer inferior" is so set in stone that you can basically bring up anything that proves them superior and they would just make up new arguments that fit their narrative of "Altmer inferior".

The problem is that the top dps spot is 200 dps something and is below error margin.
If anything Breton should have an tiny nerf (ZoS do not read this, tiny is not in your toolbox, only empty an B52)
On the stamina side Bosmer and Redguard does not have max dps raid buffed but they win self buffed.
Same should be true on magic.
Khajiit should have an small buff after the 4.3.2 nerf, increase sustain to 100 and if needed add some resources, because sustain they should still be below Dunmer in raid parses, but a bit above self buffed. Obvious agenda is obvious

Ending this with an shot of ZoS balance team at work.