As a wood elf. What utility racial passive is the best?

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As I main a woodelf, I am unhappy about them removing reduced sneak detection as I play a theif and It benifits me a lot in my theiving gameplay. Don’t care for damage from stealth, though in my honest opinion. I made this poll to see what other people playing wood elves think and to also give ZOS an input on what the players want.
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As a wood elf. What utility racial passive is the best? 131 votes

Return wood elves 3m reduced sneak detection paired with the new dodge roll speed buff.
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Return wood elves Utility racial passive to how it was before this update.
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I like the ability to detect other sneaking players and the dodge roll speed buff. (New Changes)
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I would like a different Utility racial passive all together.
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  • BlueRaven
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    Return wood elves Utility racial passive to how it was before this update.
    • Put reduced sneak detection radius into Legerdemain so everyone can get it.
    • Change the dodge roll speed buff to reduced dodge roll cost because Bosmer are agile, meaning they can perform moves like dodge roll easier than other races. They don't have a faster top speed than other races after a dodge roll because that's not how agility works.
    • Extend detection of sneaking enemies beyond 3 meters. That distance is a joke.
    • Give a balanced, flat penetration value to Bosmer that doesn't have a weird conditional dodge roll to activate.

    I would not put the sneak into ledger man (Not everyone who is stealthy is a thief), rather I would make it it's own skill line. (How does a player raise it? I don't know. Maybe when you launch attacks from stealth?) But I think it should be its own thing, divorced from all other gameplay. If a player wants stealth for PvP or PvE, they should not be forced into thieving.
  • GrumpyDuckling
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    • Put reduced sneak detection radius into Legerdemain so everyone can get it.
    • Change the dodge roll speed buff to reduced dodge roll cost because Bosmer are agile, meaning they can perform moves like dodge roll easier than other races. They don't have a faster top speed than other races after a dodge roll because that's not how agility works.
    • Extend detection of sneaking enemies beyond 3 meters. That distance is a joke.
    • Give a balanced, flat penetration value to Bosmer that doesn't have a weird conditional dodge roll to activate.

    I would not put the sneak into ledger man (Not everyone who is stealthy is a thief), rather I would make it it's own skill line. (How does a player raise it? I don't know. Maybe when you launch attacks from stealth?) But I think it should be its own thing, divorced from all other gameplay. If a player wants stealth for PvP or PvE, they should not be forced into thieving.

    That's fair. I wanted to keep it out of Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood but your concern makes sense. Maybe squeeze it into Fighter's Guild? There's no rank 10 passive. I'll update the earlier post.
  • BlueRaven
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    Return wood elves Utility racial passive to how it was before this update.
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    • Put reduced sneak detection radius into Legerdemain so everyone can get it.
    • Change the dodge roll speed buff to reduced dodge roll cost because Bosmer are agile, meaning they can perform moves like dodge roll easier than other races. They don't have a faster top speed than other races after a dodge roll because that's not how agility works.
    • Extend detection of sneaking enemies beyond 3 meters. That distance is a joke.
    • Give a balanced, flat penetration value to Bosmer that doesn't have a weird conditional dodge roll to activate.

    I would not put the sneak into ledger man (Not everyone who is stealthy is a thief), rather I would make it it's own skill line. (How does a player raise it? I don't know. Maybe when you launch attacks from stealth?) But I think it should be its own thing, divorced from all other gameplay. If a player wants stealth for PvP or PvE, they should not be forced into thieving.

    That's fair. I wanted to keep it out of Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood but your concern makes sense. Maybe squeeze it into Fighter's Guild? There's no rank 10 passive. I'll update the earlier post.

    Oh! Fighters guild! I did not think about that one. Thats a great spot for it! I can get onboard with that.
  • anadandy
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    Return wood elves Utility racial passive to how it was before this update.
    Eiron77 wrote: »
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    Yep - I'm an anything besides C as well. Once again, some good ideas in this thread if anyone was listening.
  • Cundu_Ertur
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    Return wood elves 3m reduced sneak detection paired with the new dodge roll speed buff.
    I voted to have the 3m with the roll dodge, but my ideal situation would be something different:

    I would give Bosmer a 1m hiding bonus in Acrobat, their 1st free passive, to reflect the impact that their innate nimbleness and small size have on their ability to hide effectively.

    I would put .5m hiding bonus for each rank of Improved Hiding in the Legerdemain tree (yes, @BlueRaven, I know you hate that one; but it is already called "improve hiding," and it should actually improve hiding. Improved stealth isn't really a fighter thing, nor is it a mage thing). This plus the 1m would give Bosmer a total of 3m hiding bonus.

    I would reduce the Khajiit hiding bonus to 2m max (.5/1/2m at each stage of the passive); they would end up with a 4m hiding bonus at level 50.

    I would change hunter's eye to have the roll dodge movement bonus, and a permanent penetration bonus for bows (and only bows -- Bosmer are supposed to be pre-eminent archers, above all). The pen bonus would probably need to be a bit lower as it would no longer be situational. I could care less about the detection, keep it or not at this point, it doesn't matter. It is meaningless either way. I guess leave it just for flavor, but who cares.

    All in all, this would make Bosmer the best sneaks until level 35, as a level 35 Khajiit would be equal; second best at sneaking at level 50 and beyond, since the Khajiit will have exceeded them at that point. This is kind of a reflection as to what happened as the games progressed from Morrowind through Skyrim, Bosmer had the best bonus to stealth in the earlier games, but fell behind in the later one.

    I tend to like this solution because it would open up stealth to all races more than it is now, which was one of the stated goals for the change; it would decrease the impact of the racial passive on stealth, which was another goal; and it would make the Bosmer and Khajiit passives different but preserve part of what was essential for both, which was another goal. As it stands now, the current solution that we have now meets exactly 0.0% of these stated goals.
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • jbranstub17_ESO
    Return wood elves 3m reduced sneak detection paired with the new dodge roll speed buff.
    A,B, or D

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  • Cundu_Ertur
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    Return wood elves 3m reduced sneak detection paired with the new dodge roll speed buff.
    Part of the problem is that the class reps are reps for the classes. There's no 'bosmer' rep, and no 'redguard' rep per se. And the reps did bring up the concerns over the loss of stealth, and got a brush-off we'll deal with it later garbage answer.
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • Eiron77
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    I would like a different Utility racial passive all together.
    So far the results have remained consistent: More than 3/4 of player's who voted are not happy with the Hunter's Eye passive and wish to see it revised.
    Edited by Eiron77 on February 12, 2019 9:49AM
  • Minno
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    I would like a different Utility racial passive all together.
    Give them an additional duration to all alchemy based items. Something that will give 90-100% uptime on 2 effect poisons will help create diversity while also offsetting weaknesses in builds for Bosmer mains.

    Otherwise they are fine (maybe get the stealth radius back lol)
  • MartiniDaniels
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    Return wood elves 3m reduced sneak detection paired with the new dodge roll speed buff.
    Well, I'm starting to think we need to spam zone chat with this news.. but ZOS is clever, it's such a headache to receive that invitation for feedback on forum, so majority will simply drop attempts to get here.
    Restart your router ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • BlueRaven
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    Return wood elves Utility racial passive to how it was before this update.
    Well, I'm starting to think we need to spam zone chat with this news.. but ZOS is clever, it's such a headache to receive that invitation for feedback on forum, so majority will simply drop attempts to get here.

    These forums are going to light up when the patch drops. I am wondering if ZOS will still stay silent after that.

  • Tasear
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    I would like a different Utility racial passive all together.
    Personally for my bosmer, I don't like any of current utilitiy but I can make use of it so I am fine. I still think penetration was poorly implemented.
  • Tasear
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    I would like a different Utility racial passive all together.
    Well, I'm starting to think we need to spam zone chat with this news.. but ZOS is clever, it's such a headache to receive that invitation for feedback on forum, so majority will simply drop attempts to get here.

    I suggest you do if you feel that strongly about being wronged. 🍿I am just waiting for altmer changes though ...can you imagine people's reaction. There will be so much backlash. Well I mean bosmer too but altmers will be far more outspoken.
    Edited by Tasear on February 13, 2019 2:04AM
  • Eiron77
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    I would like a different Utility racial passive all together.
    Yup, zone chat might be what we need.

    Now of 60 votes, 79% are not happy with the Hunter's Eye passive.
  • MartiniDaniels
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    Return wood elves 3m reduced sneak detection paired with the new dodge roll speed buff.
    Tasear wrote: »
    Well, I'm starting to think we need to spam zone chat with this news.. but ZOS is clever, it's such a headache to receive that invitation for feedback on forum, so majority will simply drop attempts to get here.

    I suggest you do if you feel that strongly about being wronged. 🍿I am just waiting for altmer changes though ...can you imagine people's reaction. There will be so much backlash. Well I mean bosmer too but altmers will be far more outspoken.

    Yep, we bosmers are quiet folk, used to be niche race. But for those proud altmers to see that they were ripped off recovery, it will be a bomb :neutral:
    Restart your router ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Cundu_Ertur
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    Return wood elves 3m reduced sneak detection paired with the new dodge roll speed buff.
    There's a feedback form in the Class rep thread, I filled one of those out for what good it may do.

    Y'know, if the Altmer thing returned whatever had the lowest % of full, it could make sense and be useful, but it sounds like it just gives whatever resource is lowest, which would always be stam for a magic-heavy race; and that's just silly. But I'll let the Altmer fight their own battles. Not like they jumped in front of this train coming for the Bosmers.
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • BlueRaven
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    Return wood elves Utility racial passive to how it was before this update.
    There's a feedback form in the Class rep thread, I filled one of those out for what good it may do.

    Y'know, if the Altmer thing returned whatever had the lowest % of full, it could make sense and be useful, but it sounds like it just gives whatever resource is lowest, which would always be stam for a magic-heavy race; and that's just silly. But I'll let the Altmer fight their own battles. Not like they jumped in front of this train coming for the Bosmers.

    Form? Link?

    (That altmer passive is weird.)
  • Cundu_Ertur
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    Return wood elves 3m reduced sneak detection paired with the new dodge roll speed buff.
    Brought up here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416444/eso-class-representative-program-feedback-channels

    Link is this: https://goo.gl/forms/gGFVynPcDcZn5yiH2
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • Eiron77
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    I would like a different Utility racial passive all together.

    Thanks for that. I provided feedback, for whatever it is worth.
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