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Why is ZOS forcing spoilers on us?

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That is, if you're interested in getting event tickets for feathers and berries for the Indrik mounts.

How does this force spoilers on people? Well, I'm now forced to explore and reveal Vvardenfel and parts of its story, well before I'm interested in doing so, and if I'm RPing my character before he'd even be in these areas to begin with, based on following the story arcs. Why? Because the Indrik event insists I participate in this Vvardenfell Celebration.

How so?

A few of problems here with this Indrik mount insanity, and a lot of them stem from Issue #1. At least the aforementioned problem could be allieviated if ZOS would clarify #1 below.

1) ZOS has failed to, or refuses to, let players know if this Indrik mount collection endeavor is a limited thing, available only since the first festival it appeared in, and will be completed afterwards, never to be seen again. Or if this is an ongoing thing, that will allow you to work on getting the Indrik mount in its various evolutions year-after-year.

2) Getting the Indrik and its various evolutions is a complicated and convoluted process, which is prone to error (numerous players having already screwed up and lost tickets buying the incorrect items).

3) Event tickets are not abundant and you can't collect an excess amount of them during the events.

4) Event periods are not long. 2 weeks at best.

5) You can only get a small number of tickets per day.

6) You have to participate in events on most of its available days to get enough tickets for a single purchase of feathers or berries.

7) Availability of the things needed for the Indrik mount and its evolutions is limited to specific time periods. (e.g. Berries)

8) Many of the events require unlocking content, prerequisite quests, and going to widely dispersed zones, regions, areas you may not have been to.


So.... here I am, with Vvardenfell entirely unexposed to my character, whose nowhere near doing that part of the story line, as I'm currently trying to do things in their most logical chronological and storyline order (which is largely based on expansion/dlc release order) , and I'm initially thinking "Okay I only have to do one delve boss and one world boss a day. That's not too bad. I'll expose one delve and one world boss location on Vvardenfell and just do those every day."

But no. Getting the event tickets are based on daily quests which I was forced to unlock by engaging in the story line (forced spoilers on me.) And the daily quests send you to different delves or world bosses across Vvardenfell each day. So now I'm trying to get to these locations, on a landscape that's not condusive to running directly to where you need to go, and spoiling tons of landscape that I'd REALLY have liked to enjoy at my leisure and come across naturally, rather than running willy-nilly haphazardly across the map, past interesting landmarks, points of interest, towns, etc... trying to find a way to get to the delve or world boss I need to do.

And all this because, while I AM perfectly content to take multiple years to get each of the Indrik evolutions, doing these events and collecting tickets at my leisure, and not feeling pressured to participate in events and spoil content for myself (like I already had to do for Clockwork city, and parts of every other zone), ZOS won't give us the information we players need to NOT feel pressured that we have to participate in events or otherwise lose our chance to get these mounts and their evolutions.

So again I ask ZOS, will you PLEASE let the player community know if this Indrik mount collection endeavor will be an ongoing thing year-after-year , or if we had better do everything in our power to grind these things out now and participate on most event days because once this opportunity is gone, it's gone!

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  • zaria
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    Yes the process of getting the indriks is over complex for something who is mainly created to get players who don't play so often to play more.

    However you can get 24 tickets during this event.
    Purpose of events is to get people to play daily.

    Grinding just make you go in circles.
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  • GLP323b14_ESO
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    Darlon wrote: »
    Get over it, Morrowind has been out for more than 1.5 years...... You're just slow, can't expect Zenimax to take that into account ... Want them to send you an email next time to ask if you've finished an area before they do an event there ?

    If it really is so important for you not to spoil it, don't go there and wait until you can get tickets from the next event when it is done in an area you've already been to.


    /Whoosh!
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  • Emathides
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    3) Event tickets are not abundant and you can't collect an excess amount of them during the events.

    4) Event periods are not long. 2 weeks at best.

    Not really true, the length of the event and number of tickets you get is ample to get the current berry, plus a feather for the replacement base indrik that we will need after the 'evolution' of our current one.

  • GLP323b14_ESO
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    Emathides wrote: »

    Not really true, the length of the event and number of tickets you get is ample to get the current berry, plus a feather for the replacement base indrik that we will need after the 'evolution' of our current one.

    If you play every day
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  • Hallothiel
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    If you think you are being ‘forced’ to do this event, then just don’t take part! No need to whinge!

    Not sure if you are a new player, but since the whole indrik / event thing has started, there have been plenty of opportunities to earn tickets - have enough to have 1 nascent indrik, 3 other feathers, 2 berries plus from today 10 event tickets.

    Other events have ‘forced’ players to do things they were not keen on - such as pvp.

    Morrowind has been out for quite a long time now, so not really ‘spoilers’. And doing a couple of dailies quickly does not ruin the game.

    And Zos have said that tickets will be available to buy in the future.

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  • albesca
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    Emathides wrote: »

    Not really true, the length of the event and number of tickets you get is ample to get the current berry, plus a feather for the replacement base indrik that we will need after the 'evolution' of our current one.

    If you play every day

    Which is the point of these events

    (edited for grammar)
    Edited by albesca on February 11, 2019 9:33AM
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  • Danikat
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    I'm in a similar position. Before this event started I'd played very little of Morrowind, the start of the main quest and a few side quests. But I don't think that's a problem because the event only requires you to do the daily quests and those don't relate to the main story and even if you speak to the NPCs before and after for all the information on the quest it won't tell you anything except Morrowind has the same sort of problems you find everywhere else in Tamriel.

    And seriously what are they supposed to do? Put all special events on the starter islands just in case new people want to play who haven't gotten further than that? What about new people who start in Summerset or Vvardenfell and want to do the game in the order ZOS are telling them they should instead of the order other players say they prefer?

    There's only so long a new story or area can be treated as new and protected from spoilers before it becomes impractical and starts to look like you're avoiding it. Morrowind came out a year and a half ago and isn't even the latest chapter any more, I'd say that time is long past.
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  • Epona222
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    Event tickets will be available on the crown store later this month, so no-one is forcing you to play any content you don't want to play - with gifting you can just go harvest nodes, earn gold, and buy the event tickets with gold if they can be gifted, without you having to touch Vvardenfell or do any quests.
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  • Uryel
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    Getting the Indrik and its various evolutions is a complicated and convoluted process, which is prone to error (numerous players having already screwed up and lost tickets buying the incorrect items).

    Your post is insightful on several aspects, but this I can't agree with. Those people really just needed to RTFM. Seriously.
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    Ackwalan wrote: »
    Vvardenfel is a year old, how long does ZOS need to wait for you?

    Two years.
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  • Itsmichi
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    That is, if you're interested in getting event tickets for feathers and berries for the Indrik mounts.

    How does this force spoilers on people? Well, I'm now forced to explore and reveal Vvardenfel and parts of its story, well before I'm interested in doing so, and if I'm RPing my character before he'd even be in these areas to begin with, based on following the story arcs. Why? Because the Indrik event insists I participate in this Vvardenfell Celebration.

    How so?

    A few of problems here with this Indrik mount insanity, and a lot of them stem from Issue #1. At least the aforementioned problem could be allieviated if ZOS would clarify #1 below.

    1) ZOS has failed to, or refuses to, let players know if this Indrik mount collection endeavor is a limited thing, available only since the first festival it appeared in, and will be completed afterwards, never to be seen again. Or if this is an ongoing thing, that will allow you to work on getting the Indrik mount in its various evolutions year-after-year.

    2) Getting the Indrik and its various evolutions is a complicated and convoluted process, which is prone to error (numerous players having already screwed up and lost tickets buying the incorrect items).

    3) Event tickets are not abundant and you can't collect an excess amount of them during the events.

    4) Event periods are not long. 2 weeks at best.

    5) You can only get a small number of tickets per day.

    6) You have to participate in events on most of its available days to get enough tickets for a single purchase of feathers or berries.

    7) Availability of the things needed for the Indrik mount and its evolutions is limited to specific time periods. (e.g. Berries)

    8) Many of the events require unlocking content, prerequisite quests, and going to widely dispersed zones, regions, areas you may not have been to.


    So.... here I am, with Vvardenfell entirely unexposed to my character, whose nowhere near doing that part of the story line, as I'm currently trying to do things in their most logical chronological and storyline order (which is largely based on expansion/dlc release order) , and I'm initially thinking "Okay I only have to do one delve boss and one world boss a day. That's not too bad. I'll expose one delve and one world boss location on Vvardenfell and just do those every day."

    But no. Getting the event tickets are based on daily quests which I was forced to unlock by engaging in the story line (forced spoilers on me.) And the daily quests send you to different delves or world bosses across Vvardenfell each day. So now I'm trying to get to these locations, on a landscape that's not condusive to running directly to where you need to go, and spoiling tons of landscape that I'd REALLY have liked to enjoy at my leisure and come across naturally, rather than running willy-nilly haphazardly across the map, past interesting landmarks, points of interest, towns, etc... trying to find a way to get to the delve or world boss I need to do.

    And all this because, while I AM perfectly content to take multiple years to get each of the Indrik evolutions, doing these events and collecting tickets at my leisure, and not feeling pressured to participate in events and spoil content for myself (like I already had to do for Clockwork city, and parts of every other zone), ZOS won't give us the information we players need to NOT feel pressured that we have to participate in events or otherwise lose our chance to get these mounts and their evolutions.

    So again I ask ZOS, will you PLEASE let the player community know if this Indrik mount collection endeavor will be an ongoing thing year-after-year , or if we had better do everything in our power to grind these things out now and participate on most event days because once this opportunity is gone, it's gone!

    It's just a mount maybe with the next crate season you're getting the indrik crownstore special mount, what iam saying waaay to much effort for a lousy mount.
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  • klowdy1
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    Itsmichi wrote: »
    That is, if you're interested in getting event tickets for feathers and berries for the Indrik mounts.

    How does this force spoilers on people? Well, I'm now forced to explore and reveal Vvardenfel and parts of its story, well before I'm interested in doing so, and if I'm RPing my character before he'd even be in these areas to begin with, based on following the story arcs. Why? Because the Indrik event insists I participate in this Vvardenfell Celebration.

    How so?

    A few of problems here with this Indrik mount insanity, and a lot of them stem from Issue #1. At least the aforementioned problem could be allieviated if ZOS would clarify #1 below.

    1) ZOS has failed to, or refuses to, let players know if this Indrik mount collection endeavor is a limited thing, available only since the first festival it appeared in, and will be completed afterwards, never to be seen again. Or if this is an ongoing thing, that will allow you to work on getting the Indrik mount in its various evolutions year-after-year.

    2) Getting the Indrik and its various evolutions is a complicated and convoluted process, which is prone to error (numerous players having already screwed up and lost tickets buying the incorrect items).

    3) Event tickets are not abundant and you can't collect an excess amount of them during the events.

    4) Event periods are not long. 2 weeks at best.

    5) You can only get a small number of tickets per day.

    6) You have to participate in events on most of its available days to get enough tickets for a single purchase of feathers or berries.

    7) Availability of the things needed for the Indrik mount and its evolutions is limited to specific time periods. (e.g. Berries)

    8) Many of the events require unlocking content, prerequisite quests, and going to widely dispersed zones, regions, areas you may not have been to.


    So.... here I am, with Vvardenfell entirely unexposed to my character, whose nowhere near doing that part of the story line, as I'm currently trying to do things in their most logical chronological and storyline order (which is largely based on expansion/dlc release order) , and I'm initially thinking "Okay I only have to do one delve boss and one world boss a day. That's not too bad. I'll expose one delve and one world boss location on Vvardenfell and just do those every day."

    But no. Getting the event tickets are based on daily quests which I was forced to unlock by engaging in the story line (forced spoilers on me.) And the daily quests send you to different delves or world bosses across Vvardenfell each day. So now I'm trying to get to these locations, on a landscape that's not condusive to running directly to where you need to go, and spoiling tons of landscape that I'd REALLY have liked to enjoy at my leisure and come across naturally, rather than running willy-nilly haphazardly across the map, past interesting landmarks, points of interest, towns, etc... trying to find a way to get to the delve or world boss I need to do.

    And all this because, while I AM perfectly content to take multiple years to get each of the Indrik evolutions, doing these events and collecting tickets at my leisure, and not feeling pressured to participate in events and spoil content for myself (like I already had to do for Clockwork city, and parts of every other zone), ZOS won't give us the information we players need to NOT feel pressured that we have to participate in events or otherwise lose our chance to get these mounts and their evolutions.

    So again I ask ZOS, will you PLEASE let the player community know if this Indrik mount collection endeavor will be an ongoing thing year-after-year , or if we had better do everything in our power to grind these things out now and participate on most event days because once this opportunity is gone, it's gone!

    It's just a mount maybe with the next crate season you're getting the indrik crownstore special mount, what iam saying waaay to much effort for a lousy mount.

    I mean, it's more effort than just buying it outright, but two specific dailies isn't a lot of work. If you aren't logging on for a few minutes every day to do that, it shouldn't matter that much if you have it.
  • kathandira
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    That is, if you're interested in getting event tickets for feathers and berries for the Indrik mounts.

    How does this force spoilers on people? Well, I'm now forced to explore and reveal Vvardenfel and parts of its story, well before I'm interested in doing so, and if I'm RPing my character before he'd even be in these areas to begin with, based on following the story arcs. Why? Because the Indrik event insists I participate in this Vvardenfell Celebration.

    You are not forced to chase the Indrik. Which also means you are not forced to do the Morrowind Celebration. Which in the end means you are not forced into Spoilers. The Indrik does not offer you anything other than a mount that looks cool.
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    Have you ever wondered if you take your gaming too seriously? Because if this is how you react to completely optional systems, you take your gaming too seriously.
    Edited by Anrose on February 11, 2019 1:39PM
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  • DBZVelena
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    "Come to Vvardenfell for the event tickets, stay because that NPC is dogmeat."

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Sorry, but i found that very funny.

    And as for spoilers, this topic contains more spoilers than the quests you had to do to unlock the dailies so there you have it.
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    Sadly the understanding of any non-literal saying is lost on many-so I'll explain, If you don't like the way something is, just don't participate
    Another one of her sayings were:
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    Once again ill explain just in case, if you don't like it speak up for yourself and tell 'em. and if you are actually infuriated enough to do more than whine on a forum you should write a hand written letter, they cant click a button for an auto-response, they'll have to go through the process of reading it!
  • VaranisArano
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    If rushing through the story to get tickets is a problem, slow down and enjoy the story.

    All of the events so far have given more tickets than needed, so even if you miss a few taking your time, it will be fine.

    The Events are essentially promotional stunts or their Content.
    Edited by VaranisArano on February 11, 2019 2:00PM
  • starlizard70ub17_ESO
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    Evolving the indriks is really annoying. But I like the double drops in Vvardenfel from the bosses. Some of the armor sets still sell pretty well on the vendor store.
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  • srfrogg23
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    There will be other events. You can skip this one. No harm, no foul.
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    So again I ask ZOS, will you PLEASE let the player community know if this Indrik mount collection endeavor will be an ongoing thing year-after-year

    ^ Your long, and hysterical post boils down to this question.

    Currently, no one knows. I think that's the point. They want us out en masse to these events, for logins, and whatever other data points they are measuring. Creating the perception of "limited time offer" is compelling. It works. However, there is a lot of time left in the year (if you are after later transformations), and 2 more events this season (if you want the currently offered transformation).

    Given that each event lets you earn more tickets than you really need, you could skip this one if it is causing you too much angst, and you'd probably be ok.



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  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    For those not wanting to do the Events to acquire the Tickets, they are coming to Crown Store in late Q1.
    You can just wait and buy them with Crowns.

    Note that we are also planning to add Event Tickets to the Crown Store late Q1
    Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on February 11, 2019 4:32PM
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  • iiYuki
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    Ackwalan wrote: »
    Vvardenfel is a year old, how long does ZOS need to wait for you?

    The age old question of how long before a spoiler stops being a spoiler.
    Personally I think 2 weeks to a month and its fair game, but the Morrowind expansion came out in June 2017 how long do people need?
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