all pvp should be non-cp?

Kel

idk wrote: »

Considering the lack of population in the non-CP campaign it seems that OP's suggestion goes completely against logic since it is clear most want to play with CP.

That along says it all and speaks it loud and clear.

Of course, Zos is reviewing CP which is probably part of their review of combat in their plans to finally devise a vision for combat in this game. I would expect CP will be heavily revised. Considering how Zos handled the racial passives I expect major changes are coming to all of us in all aspects of the game.

I think the bold is his point though.
No one, or hardly anyone, plays his type of preferred PvP, so it's a selfish reasoning to force everyone to play the way he enjoys, forcing the population into no-cp when the player base has clearly shown a majority like playing Cyrodiil with their CP.

idk

Kel wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Considering the lack of population in the non-CP campaign it seems that OP's suggestion goes completely against logic since it is clear most want to play with CP.

That along says it all and speaks it loud and clear.

Of course, Zos is reviewing CP which is probably part of their review of combat in their plans to finally devise a vision for combat in this game. I would expect CP will be heavily revised. Considering how Zos handled the racial passives I expect major changes are coming to all of us in all aspects of the game.

I think the bold is his point though.
No one, or hardly anyone, plays his type of preferred PvP, so it's a selfish reasoning to force everyone to play the way he enjoys, forcing the population into no-cp when the player base has clearly shown a majority like playing Cyrodiil with their CP.

Yes, I fully understood. It is really just the same as most nerf threads. I cannot deal with it well so change it so change it to my liking.

TheOneWhoSighs

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Less calculations is needed less lag produce.

The very basic math calculations equate to virtually nothing in terms of lag.......

SoLooney

OP just gets wrecked in cp campaigns or has low cp and doesnt want to grind for it

also shows why vivec is more crowded than sotha sil, hes tired of playing in a low populated campaign and thus wants to make everyone suffer playing cyrodiil in no cp

srfrogg23

Pvp should be non-cp, non-stats, non-gear, player-skill based only competition.

Ragnarock41

Kel wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I think it's better to remove it. Basically you can't use same toon both for PVP and PVE because of those PVP-specific CP points.. and there will be much less broken exploiting builds. I mean you will never see some crazy sh*t like 10 people can't kill one for a 30 seconds in BG.
And proc sets should be nerfed accordingly.

Ahhh there’s no CP in BGs lol. BGs is a mess all on its own. Also you currently have Sotha and BGs for no CP. I personally like the change of pace having both CP and no CP. I cannot understand why people who don’t like CP keep bitching about it instead of just going to a no CP environment. And I say this as someone who wouldn’t miss a beat if they did remove CP from PvP. I just happen to like both, and as someone who plays both I find them equally unbalanced in different ways.

Ahaha, "thanks" for clarification about BG. Sorry, probably too long sentence:
you will never see some crazy sh*t like 10 people can't kill one for a 30 seconds in BG.

You still see that in BG's though...having no CP doesn't fix that issue.
Not to mention no CP often is a heaven for proc set cheesy builds. Not that Cyrodiil isn't, it's just far more prevalent and effective in no CP.

https://youtu.be/I5SrOe-vc0Y
https://youtu.be/DsIz7L830Ks

Just some examples of "some of that crazy ***" you said you never see in no CP...

Edit: Also don't understand the need to take away choice because someone doesn't personally like something. There's already a no CP campaign you can play in.
Never understood why so many players call out for no cp, yet they don't set foot in Sotha Sil. As many who say that's the way to play, that campaign sure is empty.

So 400k damage/7k healing stamDk that got completely ignored whole game is extreme sh*t for you?

Man I'm glad you aren't in high MMR, you would complain all day long.

PS: Granted, no-cp pvp has proc users, but was cp-pvp any better? I remember TTK was so damn long that games took forever. People used builds that were designed not to die and formed healer-tank balls. There is a good reason it was reverted back to no-CP.

So, like the poster I was talking about, are you also saying you don't see any tanky/healer builds in no-cp?

Because I do, and that's the point of my response. You still get tanky, hard to kill builds in no-cp. Not only is mitigation reduced in no-cp, but so is damage. Tanky builds are just as effective in no-cp, because you're also missing cp in your damage trees as well. I run Reactive/Robes of the Hist/and Mighty Chudan on my magplar in no-cp...I'm extremely hard to kill. Definitely takes more than a few, and if I have good LoS, definitely more than 10.

Not rocket science here...

Its a fact that TTK is much lower in No-CP campaign, but that doesn't mean tanky builds have no place. And magplars are one of the best specs when it comes to survivability this patch so no suprises there. An average fight between two good players lasts much shorter in no-CP than it would be in CP campaign.

I'm not saying its perfect, but CP is definitely a watered down version of what we experience in no-CP, in terms of TTK and overall ease of sustain.

p00tx

No. If you want that gimped no CP stuff, go play in your campaign. No one wants to play with you guys. If you don't like CP PvP, stay out of those campaigns. Stop trying to force everyone to conform to your way of playing.

Na0cho

I never play cp so it’s a moot point for me.

I do think it would make it easier to balance the game going forward, but I cringe at the thought of all those type of players who enjoy cp coming to Sotha.

Those type of players are usually the most toxic. I don’t want them lagging up my server and spewing their vitriol all around.

Hopefully they just switch Vivec to non cp at that point and they all Stay there.

Na0cho

MajBludd wrote: »

Do you currently play on a non cp server and are bored because there is no pop and want your preferred server to have pop?

Sorry bud. I live In the real world and have a job, a house, kids, and a productive busy life. So when I do get on to play at prime time during weekdays(when I’m lucky) or on weekends, my preferred server is ALWAYS full.

I’m sure unemployed wastrels who play at all hours of the day and night can find times where Sotha is unpopulated.

I always find it full.

Defilted

Why do players that prefer non-CP PVP advocate to remove the CP PVP constantly?

I suspect at least on XBOX the reason this is done is becasue the non CP campaign never has anyone in it. They need CP PVP to be removed to get the populations up in this campaign or they need more people in BG's.

I can't wrap my head around why my prefered PVP game type is always being attacked. There are no-cp campaigns and BG's for people to play in. Why does the other need removed?

karekiz

Na0cho wrote: »

I’m sure unemployed wastrels who play at all hours of the day and night can find times where Sotha is unpopulated.

Timezones?

Graveyard shifts?

josiahva

russelmmendoza wrote: »

I think this should seperate the pvp and pve crowd.
Lots of power creep is introduce by cp, remove it entirely from pvp.
and keep cp for pve areas.
removing cp from pvp in cyro would also help in the lag problem there.
Less calculations is needed less lag produce.
or am I totally off on this one?
no hating please, I'm just asking.

I agree, CP just makes PvP more of a slog fest...I generally only play the non-CP campaign unless I have good reason to be in the CP campaign.

That being said, there is no harm in the option for those who enjoy enemies that never die.

mayasunrising

Mr_Walker wrote: »

If only there were a campaign I could play that CP was disabled in....

But there already is a campaign that's no C....ohhhhhhhh....

SiAScORCH

Or a better idea. Leave it as it is and go join the non-cp campaign. Problem solved. Also they have battlegrounds that are non cp.

TheRealSniker

Proc sets, oblivion damage, bleeds, healing proc stacking stamDKs , constant snares and No sustain to counter any of that?
No thanks lmao, noCP is the most annoying and awkward PvP I ever experienced