all pvp should be non-cp?

BRogueNZ · February 2019

eh..adding CP enabled BG's option would make more sense

amir412 · February 2019

No, Pepole that are bad at the game blame CP for being weak.
No-CP just makes cancer builds shine with no counter, the power creep in NoCP is even stronger, as u have no counter

JamieAubrey · February 2019

A BIG F NO

TheShadowScout · February 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

all pvp should be non-cp?

No.
People should have the -choice- if they want to go for CP-supported PvP, or non-CP PvP.
CHOICE!
Not get pushed into one corner, no matter if its "No CP for YOU!", or if its "Fear the might of my CP-ness, noob!"

EdoKeledus · February 2019

I don't know if you remember but approximately 1 year ago ZOS removed CP on all CP PvP server for a performance test. But we have never heard about the issue from ZOS and we know why.

Berenhir · February 2019

People who prefer nCP over CP either crutch hard on proc builds/broken mechanics, are just bad at PvP or prefer an easy time over a challenging fight imo.

Sorry but I don't know a single respectable small scale/solo PvP-Player who would honestly say that nCP is better or even only a more balanced game experience than CP PvP.
Some do play BGs or nCP from time to time to farm noobs or to circumvent Vivec prime time but not because of the gameplay but because of server issues.

And no, nCP is just as laggy as CP PvP as was proven on Trueflame some years ago.

Skwor · February 2019

Deep_01 wrote: »

I'm all for nonCp pvp, if proc sets and cancers like bleeds, sloads etc. are adjusted accordingly.

There already is a non cp pvp. Good greif go there and play. All you want to do is remove the CP pvp others like becuase you seem to think no one should have CP for pvp.

Give it a rest already. You want non CP pvp, you already have non cp pvp. All this is about is removing the cp pvp server, talk about tyrannical!

Olupajmibanan · February 2019

We have both, CP and non-CP campaign. People can choose what they want and that's always a good thing.

However, I strongly believe that BGs should remain non-CP without CP option.
We all have tried CP enabled BGs and how it was? Unkillable tanks dominating both land grab modes + chaosball and there was nothing you could do about it. When I was a chaosball mode in CP-enabled BGs, and seen two block-holding magplars being linked by guard and taken the chaosball I just left.

mairwen85 · February 2019

Maybe all girls should be California girls.

Rygonix · February 2019

Have you seen the amount of lag caused when streamers bring in their armies of followers for Sotha PvP? There's been nights where it was so bad I had to double check to make sure I was in the right campaign.

What we don't need is removal of options but rather the addition of more options. Why is there a 7-day CP campaign, but no Non-CP variant?

JumpmanLane · February 2019

The issue to me is non cp is just not your build once you allocate the first champion point.

The folks advocating cp’s Removal from PvP should really look to their builds, their playstyle and overall skill level.

If you’re zerging and can’t kill a 1vXer it might come down to his skill. I’ve encountered tanks it would take a while to kill; but I only encountered 1 or two troll tanks putting out NO DAMAGE that I COULDN’T kill running spinners Julianos 1 kena 1 Balorgh on my MagDk. Laughed and left because they couldn’t kill me.

There’s options if you don’t want to play cp. The only reason to ask for cp’s removal is because you CANNOT play cp well or cp campaigns are like a hair shirt, a painful reminder that one has room to...er...IMPROVE (to put it mildly).

BRogueNZ · February 2019

Only folk who are confident in out gearing noobs and run with mates play non CP

russelmmendoza · February 2019

Mr_Walker wrote: »

If only there were a campaign I could play that CP was disabled in....

Remove cp system from all campaign is what I'm trying to say.

russelmmendoza · February 2019

BRogueNZ wrote: »

Only folk who are confident in out gearing noobs and run with mates play non CP

Yeah I dont do premade, gear I wear are crafted or at least 1 of them are.

Hououin Kyoma · February 2019

If you want the full experience of Cyrodiil PVP, you must choose a CP Campaign like Vivec. Picking an empty noncp Campaign isnt really a choice, if you dont want to play with yourself. So in my eyes "choice" istn really an argument.

Fiktius · February 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

If only there were a campaign I could play that CP was disabled in....

Remove cp system from all campaign is what I'm trying to say.

Which is very bad idea to be honest. Why would you want to take CP campaign option away?
Yes, I did read your main post and you mentioned lag being an issue, but where's the actual proof that's the case?
How do you back up your claim?

It seems like mostly what you are trying to do here is taking away a part of PvP which several players does enjoy and that's terrible.
I'm a solo player and I do play mostly in Shor, because my PC can't handle Vivec at prime time, but going to Sotha is not an option either since no-CP is not something I do enjoy to play at. I don't enjoy all the cheese and proc sets in non-CP environment, I rather take my CP and play with builds which actually can counter some of that worst part of PvP which has been plaguing the gameplay for a long time now. Also I do play with unusual builds, which unfortunately do not function that well in non-CP due it has not been made for that environment. But why I would be forced to change builds which I love to play? Because I lag sometimes in CP environment? I bet we all face lag issues anyways every now and then, no matter do we play at CP or non-CP campaigns.

Rygonix wrote: »

What we don't need is removal of options but rather the addition of more options. Why is there a 7-day CP campaign, but no Non-CP variant?

Now that's something I do agree with! Imo it would be only fair if non-CP would have another 7 day campaign, which is not Kyne.

klowdy1 · February 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

If only there were a campaign I could play that CP was disabled in....

Remove cp system from all campaign is what I'm trying to say.

That's selfish. There is a campaign for the PvP you want, why remove something others enjoy, and you can work around without hassle.

What_In_Tarnation · February 2019

Say no more.

JumpmanLane · February 2019

BRogueNZ wrote: »

Only folk who are confident in out gearing noobs and run with mates play non CP

EXACTLY! ^^^^This!

I don’t have any “mates” and getting me to run with my actual friends is like pulling teeth.

I run 1 Kena 1 Balorgh Spinners Julianos. DW Destro. Apprentice. Magicka, Spell Damage glyphs on my MagDk. If you can eat that damage good for you. If you can’t, rez out, you’ll feel better. Thanks for coming out.

I would say it takes skill to run that and wreck people considering how poor sustain is, particularly on a dunmer. I wouldn’t say the people I kill are getting out geared. Alcast and them boys ain’t running this on their DKs unless they got just emped lol.

I like a playstyle where I always have to be doing something to get something and not depending upon sets to just give me magicka or sustain (for example) or RNG damage (like Skoria).

I want to hit like a truck and let the bodies fall where they may.

zaria · February 2019

Leave Vivec as the elites arena, it makes Sota sil much more causal and players closer to my level.
Some are even lower

D0PAMINE · February 2019

Nein. You can easily join non CP campaigns. If they'te desolate, well, that just means CP are more popular for a reason.

Heimpai · February 2019

Remove all cp then, that way there isn’t an enormous gap between a new player and max cp in dungeons/trials

disintegr8 · February 2019

I believe in letting people choose between CP and non-CP campaigns, so leave it as it is. If non-CP campaigns are empty or less populated than CP campaigns, that speaks for itself.

Heimpai wrote: »

Remove all cp then, that way there isn’t an enormous gap between a new player and max cp in dungeons/trials

Not sure why you;d ask for this, you're not competing against other people in PVE. It is not the CP that makes a good PVE player, it is practice.

Ragnarock41 · February 2019

Kel wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I think it's better to remove it. Basically you can't use same toon both for PVP and PVE because of those PVP-specific CP points.. and there will be much less broken exploiting builds. I mean you will never see some crazy sh*t like 10 people can't kill one for a 30 seconds in BG.
And proc sets should be nerfed accordingly.

Ahhh there’s no CP in BGs lol. BGs is a mess all on its own. Also you currently have Sotha and BGs for no CP. I personally like the change of pace having both CP and no CP. I cannot understand why people who don’t like CP keep bitching about it instead of just going to a no CP environment. And I say this as someone who wouldn’t miss a beat if they did remove CP from PvP. I just happen to like both, and as someone who plays both I find them equally unbalanced in different ways.

Ahaha, "thanks" for clarification about BG. Sorry, probably too long sentence:
you will never see some crazy sh*t like 10 people can't kill one for a 30 seconds in BG.

You still see that in BG's though...having no CP doesn't fix that issue.
Not to mention no CP often is a heaven for proc set cheesy builds. Not that Cyrodiil isn't, it's just far more prevalent and effective in no CP.

https://youtu.be/I5SrOe-vc0Y
https://youtu.be/DsIz7L830Ks

Just some examples of "some of that crazy ***" you said you never see in no CP...

Edit: Also don't understand the need to take away choice because someone doesn't personally like something. There's already a no CP campaign you can play in.
Never understood why so many players call out for no cp, yet they don't set foot in Sotha Sil. As many who say that's the way to play, that campaign sure is empty.

So 400k damage/7k healing stamDk that got completely ignored whole game is extreme sh*t for you?

Man I'm glad you aren't in high MMR, you would complain all day long.

PS: Granted, no-cp pvp has proc users, but was cp-pvp any better? I remember TTK was so damn long that games took forever. People used builds that were designed not to die and formed healer-tank balls. There is a good reason it was reverted back to no-CP.

Girl_Number8 · February 2019

Deep_01 wrote: »

I'm all for nonCp pvp, if proc sets and cancers like bleeds, sloads etc. are adjusted accordingly.

You already have non-cp and the choice to play cp as well. This subject is moot, smh.

Heimpai · February 2019

disintegr8 wrote: »

I believe in letting people choose between CP and non-CP campaigns, so leave it as it is. If non-CP campaigns are empty or less populated than CP campaigns, that speaks for itself.

Heimpai wrote: »

Remove all cp then, that way there isn’t an enormous gap between a new player and max cp in dungeons/trials

Not sure why you;d ask for this, you're not competing against other people in PVE. It is not the CP that makes a good PVE player, it is practice.

There’s a reason why cp is far more populated, so why should we be punished just because he can’t compete? That is my point

TheBonesXXX · February 2019

The CP formulas need to be looked at and reworked accordingly. Along with the games formulas and coding then changed.

Then just have that as the standard bearer.

JumpmanLane · February 2019

Heimpai wrote: »

Remove all cp then, that way there isn’t an enormous gap between a new player and max cp in dungeons/trials

There would still be a gap: skill, experience, knowledge lol.

New players are NEW and need to gain the skill and knowledge necessary to complete on leaderboards in PvE and against PK’s in Cyrodill.

If you’re new and don’t have cp, get some. Grind it out like everyone else. If you’re low cp and getting consistently reckt by some 1vXing Playa Killa in his own custom made build die and learn from it like everyone else. Geeze.

There’s rubber cookies and participation trophies in a lil kiosk at every starting gate in a barrel behind the banker in VIVEC, Cyrodill lol.

Kel · February 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I think it's better to remove it. Basically you can't use same toon both for PVP and PVE because of those PVP-specific CP points.. and there will be much less broken exploiting builds. I mean you will never see some crazy sh*t like 10 people can't kill one for a 30 seconds in BG.
And proc sets should be nerfed accordingly.

Ahhh there’s no CP in BGs lol. BGs is a mess all on its own. Also you currently have Sotha and BGs for no CP. I personally like the change of pace having both CP and no CP. I cannot understand why people who don’t like CP keep bitching about it instead of just going to a no CP environment. And I say this as someone who wouldn’t miss a beat if they did remove CP from PvP. I just happen to like both, and as someone who plays both I find them equally unbalanced in different ways.

Ahaha, "thanks" for clarification about BG. Sorry, probably too long sentence:
you will never see some crazy sh*t like 10 people can't kill one for a 30 seconds in BG.

You still see that in BG's though...having no CP doesn't fix that issue.
Not to mention no CP often is a heaven for proc set cheesy builds. Not that Cyrodiil isn't, it's just far more prevalent and effective in no CP.

https://youtu.be/I5SrOe-vc0Y
https://youtu.be/DsIz7L830Ks

Just some examples of "some of that crazy ***" you said you never see in no CP...

Edit: Also don't understand the need to take away choice because someone doesn't personally like something. There's already a no CP campaign you can play in.
Never understood why so many players call out for no cp, yet they don't set foot in Sotha Sil. As many who say that's the way to play, that campaign sure is empty.

So 400k damage/7k healing stamDk that got completely ignored whole game is extreme sh*t for you?

Man I'm glad you aren't in high MMR, you would complain all day long.

PS: Granted, no-cp pvp has proc users, but was cp-pvp any better? I remember TTK was so damn long that games took forever. People used builds that were designed not to die and formed healer-tank balls. There is a good reason it was reverted back to no-CP.

So, like the poster I was talking about, are you also saying you don't see any tanky/healer builds in no-cp?

Because I do, and that's the point of my response. You still get tanky, hard to kill builds in no-cp. Not only is mitigation reduced in no-cp, but so is damage. Tanky builds are just as effective in no-cp, because you're also missing cp in your damage trees as well. I run Reactive/Robes of the Hist/and Mighty Chudan on my magplar in no-cp...I'm extremely hard to kill. Definitely takes more than a few, and if I have good LoS, definitely more than 10.

Not rocket science here...

idk · February 2019

Considering the lack of population in the non-CP campaign it seems that OP's suggestion goes completely against logic since it is clear most want to play with CP. If you want to PvP in non-CP that is already provided for you. So be happy.

That along says it all and speaks it loud and clear.

Of course, Zos is reviewing CP which is probably part of their review of combat in their plans to finally devise a vision for combat in this game. I would expect CP will be heavily revised. Considering how Zos handled the racial passives I expect major changes are coming to all of us in all aspects of the game.