snipe stacking health desync exploit

Numerikuu · February 2019

If the stacking issue cannot be fixed, then they need to rework the skill. It's been a long time coming. Too long.

Bouldercleave · February 2019

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LordTareq wrote: »

The way I read it, its a bug and not an exploit? Or can this deliberately be cheesed to trigger?

Using a bug to advantage is an exploit, I think. Hence asking. Triggering is around definition again I guess.

It's been bust for an age but the acknowledgment by them thats Its bust id assume would lead to Its focused use being an exploit. Nightmare to police etc am sure.

When there have been bugs before like XP Im imperial city etc they have stated that doing it intentionally id bananable.

They are NOT going to ban all NBs that spam snipe in PvP for you. IF they get around to fixing the REAL problem, the snipe problem will be solved. The only way to fix that is to fix the lag and desync issues. That is WAY different than the XP exploit in IC.

There is your answer

Beardimus · February 2019

Bouldercleave wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

The way I read it, its a bug and not an exploit? Or can this deliberately be cheesed to trigger?

Using a bug to advantage is an exploit, I think. Hence asking. Triggering is around definition again I guess.

It's been bust for an age but the acknowledgment by them thats Its bust id assume would lead to Its focused use being an exploit. Nightmare to police etc am sure.

When there have been bugs before like XP Im imperial city etc they have stated that doing it intentionally id bananable.

They are NOT going to ban all NBs that spam snipe in PvP for you. IF they get around to fixing the REAL problem, the snipe problem will be solved. The only way to fix that is to fix the lag and desync issues. That is WAY different than the XP exploit in IC.

There is your answer

Thanks for your opinion. What's your source for your understanding of the real problem, and linking that to wider lag issues? Intrigued on that, or are you guessing..?

As from the reps comments they are looking at Snipe.

Not too sure why this topic annoys you so much, apologies for that. But I have a legit point, in my opinion

StarOfElyon · February 2019

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

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Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

If people are dodging your snipes you're doing it wrong.

Oberstein · February 2019

Bouldercleave wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

The way I read it, its a bug and not an exploit? Or can this deliberately be cheesed to trigger?

Using a bug to advantage is an exploit, I think. Hence asking. Triggering is around definition again I guess.

It's been bust for an age but the acknowledgment by them thats Its bust id assume would lead to Its focused use being an exploit. Nightmare to police etc am sure.

When there have been bugs before like XP Im imperial city etc they have stated that doing it intentionally id bananable.

They are NOT going to ban all NBs that spam snipe in PvP for you. IF they get around to fixing the REAL problem, the snipe problem will be solved. The only way to fix that is to fix the lag and desync issues. That is WAY different than the XP exploit in IC.

There is your answer

Nice answer

Jhalin · February 2019

Stuns from stealth aren’t a class-exclusive thing. Anyone can take advantage of the snipe stacking bug. Hopefully it’ll get fixed, or moved back down to the last unlockanle snipe skill like it was before to at least stop the sub 50 campaigns from going so wild with vet players using it on newbies

starlizard70ub17_ESO · February 2019

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Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Wait, this is still in game? I thought it was removed a long time ago

thedude33 · February 2019

It is laughable that some honestly believe that using Snipe should be a valid reason to ban someone. Even more laughable to think ZoS would actually ban someone for using Snipe.

Dalsinthus · February 2019

Everyone on the receiving end hates this skill. The health desync is a real issue. I suspect that it is tied to cast time and the ability to have several snipes in the air before the first has hit. I have also heard that some players actively glitch the skill using emotes, but I don't know the exact details.

My suggestion would be to rework it entirely so that bow has a functional spammable and the toxic aspects of snipe are removed:

-lower the damage by around 40-50% so that it is in line with other spammable ranged dps skills like crushing shock, warden birds, elemental weapon, etc.

-make the range consistent with other ranged spammable abilities. Lower the travel time as well so it hits as fast as crushing shock and doesn't sail through the air forever and track opponents around corners like a heat seeking missile.

-remove the cast time entirely. Make the skill instant cast.

-lower some of the extras the skill offers. Perhaps remove the range bonus of focused aim and change the defile on lethal arrow to minor defile instead of major.

I think with those changes bow would be in a healthier place. Ranged ganking would be less effective because of the reduced damage and inability to have 2 or more projectiles in the air before the first hits. It may fix the desync issues due to the lack of cast time. Bow dps would be more viable in pve and pvp.

Some people have suggested making snipe a rapid fire channel, but I think this would kill the skill and make it the ranged equivalent of rapid strikes, which almost no one uses. I think instant cast and much lower damage is a better solution.

Another complaint is the stun from stealth, but that's a stealth mechanic not a snipe mechanic. Light attacks will do the same thing. The issue here is the high damage, stacked casts, and stun. If the solutions I suggest above aren't enough, I would look at the stun from stealth mechanic next.

Beardimus · February 2019

thedude33 wrote: »

It is laughable that some honestly believe that using Snipe should be a valid reason to ban someone. Even more laughable to think ZoS would actually ban someone for using Snipe.

Thanks for your input. My point still stands, if something is bugged, and folks use it Whats the view.

My mate got banned when TBS gave him 2 mundus stones permanently and he had no idea. Folks got banned when they leap Into keeps accidentally with a bugged skill and so on...there is precident

While I have no faith in zos policing anything at present after the rife boosting In MYM event i find it laughable that the people who use the skill come to this thread with some sarcastic salt.

Thanks for your view tho. Appreciated. The broke skill is getting fixed that's all i care about.

technohic · February 2019

Quit asking for minor defile on it people! The class that uses this most has access to major defile already and you will only buff the ones who open with snipe then close in.

markhalliday8 · February 2019

They need to start giving out compensation for when they destroy builds

Just spent 300k and a month grinding a NB to use as a snipe build and now the skills being destroyed
I had a DK and they ruined that as well. Either that or let us change class. Costs a fortune having to regear after each nerf

Bouldercleave · February 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

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Bouldercleave wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

The way I read it, its a bug and not an exploit? Or can this deliberately be cheesed to trigger?

Using a bug to advantage is an exploit, I think. Hence asking. Triggering is around definition again I guess.

It's been bust for an age but the acknowledgment by them thats Its bust id assume would lead to Its focused use being an exploit. Nightmare to police etc am sure.

When there have been bugs before like XP Im imperial city etc they have stated that doing it intentionally id bananable.

They are NOT going to ban all NBs that spam snipe in PvP for you. IF they get around to fixing the REAL problem, the snipe problem will be solved. The only way to fix that is to fix the lag and desync issues. That is WAY different than the XP exploit in IC.

There is your answer

Thanks for your opinion. What's your source for your understanding of the real problem, and linking that to wider lag issues? Intrigued on that, or are you guessing..?

As from the reps comments they are looking at Snipe.

Not too sure why this topic annoys you so much, apologies for that. But I have a legit point, in my opinion

My source is common sense. Really don't need a spread sheet to see an obvious sync / lag problem. It's been going on this way since release. They may gut snipe because you are salty, but that is nothing but a band aid on a much more serious issue.

I'm annoyed by the issue, but what I'm annoyed by is the REAL issue.

jcasini222ub17_ESO · February 2019

Huh? The skill isn't being destroyed. The desync fix is long overdue and should be welcomed across the board.

danno8 · February 2019

Good times.

https://youtu.be/R7ilpi1ty6c

I sincerely hope they fix this. I have no problem with the skill when it works, But it doesn't. A lot.

Funny thing is Dark Flare is essentially the same skill with a cast time and travel time, but I never have any problems with Dark Flare hitting me with big desyncs.

clocksstoppe · February 2019

iCaliban wrote: »

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Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Wait, this is still in game? I thought it was removed a long time ago

I don't think it's completely removed, I see plenty of people magically decide to dodge roll ONLY when i happen to launch my crystal frags. You guys still using these addons/cheats think you're clever but you're REALLY obvious.

Jhalin · February 2019

clocksstoppe wrote: »

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iCaliban wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Wait, this is still in game? I thought it was removed a long time ago

I don't think it's completely removed, I see plenty of people magically decide to dodge roll ONLY when i happen to launch my crystal frags. You guys still using these addons/cheats think you're clever but you're REALLY obvious.

Afaik that addon still works as long as you’re in combat already

The API was removed that allowed the addon to announce that you were being targeted before combat had actually started

But again that’s assuming the fix worked completely, and we’ve seen the track record

MaxwellC · February 2019

Just redo the skill where it fires a strong single shot from a long range that is as fast as lethal injection but lock the skill out for 1.5-2 seconds after firing.

Boom problem solved.

TequilaFire · February 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

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Bouldercleave wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Pro players lol, it doesn't matter who you are if you get hit 4-5 times before any acknowledgement and you 100-0% instant. If you are trying to justify Snipe how it is you are swimming against the tide sir.

It's bugged, there are health desync issues, it's getting looked at. There's no contest

Clearly the community think snipe is broken and has been for years.

My point is, is it now an exploit to do it as its been picked up on.

So what you are REALLY asking is "Can I report people for exploiting the snipe desync because it has been acknowledged as an issue that they are looking in to?"

Jesus man, just ask what you really want to ask. When was the last time anyone ever got an "official view" on anything around here?

No, that's not the question. I already can report them, and have done.

I wanna know if they gonna do something about it, hence my thread.

If it was an exploit they would say it is an exploit. The client/server desync is caused by lag.
So when it was acknowledged that sorc shields were going to be looked into, should all sorcs have been banned for continuing to stack and spam shields till they were changed? Stop with the salty sorc routine and be glad that snipe is being fixed.

Aurielle · February 2019

markhalliday8 wrote: »

They need to start giving out compensation for when they destroy builds

Just spent 300k and a month grinding a NB to use as a snipe build and now the skills being destroyed
I had a DK and they ruined that as well. Either that or let us change class. Costs a fortune having to regear after each nerf

Snipe and your 300k build will be “destroyed” for you if ZOS fixes a toxic bug that causes players’ health to drop to zero without them even realizing that they’ve been hit with a skill?

Word to the wise: don’t build a character that relies on a bug to get kills. Build characters that earn kills legitimately.

Aurielle · February 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Pro players lol, it doesn't matter who you are if you get hit 4-5 times before any acknowledgement and you 100-0% instant. If you are trying to justify Snipe how it is you are swimming against the tide sir.

It's bugged, there are health desync issues, it's getting looked at. There's no contest

Clearly the community think snipe is broken and has been for years.

My point is, is it now an exploit to do it as its been picked up on.

So what you are REALLY asking is "Can I report people for exploiting the snipe desync because it has been acknowledged as an issue that they are looking in to?"

Jesus man, just ask what you really want to ask. When was the last time anyone ever got an "official view" on anything around here?

No, that's not the question. I already can report them, and have done.

I wanna know if they gonna do something about it, hence my thread.

If it was an exploit they would say it is an exploit. The client/server desync is caused by lag.
So when it was acknowledged that sorc shields were going to be looked into, should all sorcs have been banned for continuing to stack and spam shields till they were changed? Stop with the salty sorc routine and be glad that snipe is being fixed.

Sorc shields weren’t a bug, though. They were merely overperforming. You couldn’t actively glitch shields. The health desync is a bug, and some Snipe spammers manage to pull it off extremely consistently... so consistently, in fact, that I’d be VERY surprised they didn’t know exactly what they were doing.

russelmmendoza · February 2019

The thing is only nb can do this.
Not everyone is nb.
Dk, sorc, plar and warden have their own crutch for pvp, removing cloak will make nb the laughing stock in pvp.

Lylith · February 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

The funny thing is, you hear Snipe hitting you way before you see it or you lose HP.

The moment I hear it coming I know I might be f* and try to run and hide - because you know, before I figure out where it came from I will already be hit by 3 or 4 Snipes which comes close to a death sentence.

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay, I think it should get a total rework or be removed completely. Or the damage drastically reduced / turned into a DoT that constant spamming of Snipe doesn't get rewarded.

funny thing is, sometimes you don't hear ***.

you just die.

Gilvoth · February 2019

Lylith wrote: »

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Seraphayel wrote: »

The funny thing is, you hear Snipe hitting you way before you see it or you lose HP.

The moment I hear it coming I know I might be f* and try to run and hide - because you know, before I figure out where it came from I will already be hit by 3 or 4 Snipes which comes close to a death sentence.

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay, I think it should get a total rework or be removed completely. Or the damage drastically reduced / turned into a DoT that constant spamming of Snipe doesn't get rewarded.

funny thing is, sometimes you don't hear ***.

you just die.

same thing with all the other skills, when i lagg it stacks and kills me.
snipe is nothing different.

Holycannoli · February 2019

Ahh so this is why sometimes I get hit by 11k focused aim out of nowhere and die almost instantly.

Vapirko · February 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

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Lylith wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

The funny thing is, you hear Snipe hitting you way before you see it or you lose HP.

The moment I hear it coming I know I might be f* and try to run and hide - because you know, before I figure out where it came from I will already be hit by 3 or 4 Snipes which comes close to a death sentence.

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay, I think it should get a total rework or be removed completely. Or the damage drastically reduced / turned into a DoT that constant spamming of Snipe doesn't get rewarded.

funny thing is, sometimes you don't hear ***.

you just die.

same thing with all the other skills, when i lagg it stacks and kills me.
snipe is nothing different.

All skills can potentially do this sometimes. Snipe does it regularly and it’s very easy to get it to do so. You can almost count on it.

D0PAMINE · February 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

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markhalliday8 wrote: »

They need to start giving out compensation for when they destroy builds

Just spent 300k and a month grinding a NB to use as a snipe build and now the skills being destroyed
I had a DK and they ruined that as well. Either that or let us change class. Costs a fortune having to regear after each nerf

Snipe and your 300k build will be “destroyed” for you if ZOS fixes a toxic bug that causes players’ health to drop to zero without them even realizing that they’ve been hit with a skill?

Word to the wise: don’t build a character that relies on a bug to get kills. Build characters that earn kills legitimately.

Not to mention, DK's wern't destroyed either.

Beardimus · February 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Pro players lol, it doesn't matter who you are if you get hit 4-5 times before any acknowledgement and you 100-0% instant. If you are trying to justify Snipe how it is you are swimming against the tide sir.

It's bugged, there are health desync issues, it's getting looked at. There's no contest

Clearly the community think snipe is broken and has been for years.

My point is, is it now an exploit to do it as its been picked up on.

So what you are REALLY asking is "Can I report people for exploiting the snipe desync because it has been acknowledged as an issue that they are looking in to?"

Jesus man, just ask what you really want to ask. When was the last time anyone ever got an "official view" on anything around here?

No, that's not the question. I already can report them, and have done.

I wanna know if they gonna do something about it, hence my thread.

If it was an exploit they would say it is an exploit. The client/server desync is caused by lag.
So when it was acknowledged that sorc shields were going to be looked into, should all sorcs have been banned for continuing to stack and spam shields till they were changed? Stop with the salty sorc routine and be glad that snipe is being fixed.

How on earth have you twisted this into an anti sorc chat? That's hilarious. What a stretch.

They looked at wards through balance, as people, mainly new players, struggled to counter.

They are looking at snipe as it's BROKEN. A bug. A health desync. Comparing wards and snipe is laughable.

If you want to compare in a more relevant manner @TequilaFire at least compare overload. Overload was the sorc snipe tool, our only ganking option. And it was working as intended just strong. It go nerfed, through balance, as people were salty.

They aren't just looking at snipe because it's strong. They are looking at it because it's broken.

Man the forumblade strength is strong.

Don't even get me started on how broke Fear is and we all know it lol. And hey, want a sorc example there? Rune cage. It's break free was as bust as fear yet it got 5 nerfs and no one uses it now. Fear is untouched...

Wanna compare apples to Pears, lets roll. But this thread is about snipe, which is bugged, and we ALL happy bar the people exploiting it that its getting fixed.

Beardimus · February 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

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markhalliday8 wrote: »

They need to start giving out compensation for when they destroy builds

Just spent 300k and a month grinding a NB to use as a snipe build and now the skills being destroyed
I had a DK and they ruined that as well. Either that or let us change class. Costs a fortune having to regear after each nerf

Snipe and your 300k build will be “destroyed” for you if ZOS fixes a toxic bug that causes players’ health to drop to zero without them even realizing that they’ve been hit with a skill?

Word to the wise: don’t build a character that relies on a bug to get kills. Build characters that earn kills legitimately.

And that answers that one. Spot on

Beardimus · February 2019

Vapirko wrote: »

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Gilvoth wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

The funny thing is, you hear Snipe hitting you way before you see it or you lose HP.

The moment I hear it coming I know I might be f* and try to run and hide - because you know, before I figure out where it came from I will already be hit by 3 or 4 Snipes which comes close to a death sentence.

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay, I think it should get a total rework or be removed completely. Or the damage drastically reduced / turned into a DoT that constant spamming of Snipe doesn't get rewarded.

funny thing is, sometimes you don't hear ***.

you just die.

same thing with all the other skills, when i lagg it stacks and kills me.
snipe is nothing different.

All skills can potentially do this sometimes. Snipe does it regularly and it’s very easy to get it to do so. You can almost count on it.

Absolutely, the folks trying to link this purely to lag are having a laugh. Sure lags can do this. Snipe does this REGULAR. Spot on.