snipe stacking health desync exploit

Beardimus

SO... Now Snipe stacking healthy desync is in the reps notes Its been acknowledged, and devs looking to fix - Awesome.

So surely Its now offically the exploit we've all known it to be for years right? It's a bug, something thats wrong, that gives players an advantage that's being fixed?

Any official view on that? As to me its pretty clear however am happy to be enlightened, but using it in a focused way (duo teams in Battlegrounds, picking folks off in Cyro 100%-0% can no longer be legit....

Beardimus

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom happy to be educated on the stance of this type of thing? Thanks.

Aurielle

About freaking time.

Skwor

Link please

eso_lags

The ability needs to be removed completely. There was a time when you could glitch snipe to insta kill people, making 4-5 snipes hit at once. I believe there were a few ways to do it, one with camo hunter one with emotes and more.. But i suspect the lag is the culprit of most snipe desyncs these days..

I get hit with 3-5 snipes, before I even see one, on a daily basis. If zos cant fix the god damn performance then at least remove abilities that can exploit that awful performance to insta kill people. I seriously doubt anyone from zos has ever pvp'd on console, because this is a plague.

Beardimus

Skwor wrote: »

Link please

sure thing @Skwor

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1

"Snipe: ZOS has engineers actively looking into the desynchs and bugs with this skill. They also indicated there has been a lot of feedback about this skill and will reexamine it next update."

To me its now a known issue, thus using it wreck people purposely, win battlegrounds etc is exploiting (as we have all known it to be, but never had it acknowledged as a desynch & bug before)

Be handy if someone had the definition of an exploit from the ToS I know it's been shared before.

Seraphayel

The funny thing is, you hear Snipe hitting you way before you see it or you lose HP.

The moment I hear it coming I know I might be f* and try to run and hide - because you know, before I figure out where it came from I will already be hit by 3 or 4 Snipes which comes close to a death sentence.

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay, I think it should get a total rework or be removed completely. Or the damage drastically reduced / turned into a DoT that constant spamming of Snipe doesn't get rewarded.

chris211

fix the bug, remove the stun from stealth for that ability, remove the major defile and give it minor defile for the morph and reduce the damage by 20 to 30% also make it pull you out of stealth when casting the skill

goldenarcher1

Just make everyone be a S&B DK and be done with it.

Vapirko

chris211 wrote: »

fix the bug, remove the stun from stealth for that ability, remove the major defile and give it minor defile for the morph and reduce the damage by 20 to 30% also make it pull you out of stealth when casting the skill

The stun isn’t attached to the abilty it’s attahced to NB passives but I agree it’s BS, no class should have a freee CC given how strong they are and that NBs also have fear and incap. If they could fix the lag, leave major defile and reduce the damage greatly or make it minor defile and do a very small damage reduction.

JobooAGS

Vapirko wrote: »

chris211 wrote: »

fix the bug, remove the stun from stealth for that ability, remove the major defile and give it minor defile for the morph and reduce the damage by 20 to 30% also make it pull you out of stealth when casting the skill

The stun isn’t attached to the abilty it’s attahced to NB passives but I agree it’s BS, no class should have a freee CC given how strong they are and that NBs also have fear and incap. If they could fix the lag, leave major defile and reduce the damage greatly or make it minor defile and do a very small damage reduction.

Or much much better yet, swap this skill with rapid fire and adjust accordenly

Oberstein

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

TequilaFire

Nerf sorcs.

frostz417

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Console players don’t have addons

Beardimus

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Pro players lol, it doesn't matter who you are if you get hit 4-5 times before any acknowledgement and you 100-0% instant. If you are trying to justify Snipe how it is you are swimming against the tide sir.

It's bugged, there are health desync issues, it's getting looked at. There's no contest

Clearly the community think snipe is broken and has been for years.

My point is, is it now an exploit to do it as its been picked up on.

InvictusApollo

Oberstein wrote: »

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Wasn't that addon nerfed so that it no longer gives such notifications?

robpr

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Wasn't that addon nerfed so that it no longer gives such notifications?

It still does, but only like 2-3 abilities, like shield charge or that other morph of ambush casted only from cloak.

Bosov

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Wasn't that addon nerfed so that it no longer gives such notifications?

It has been ages ago but snipers will still claim that people use that addon when someone doesnt die to their "spam snipe button and desync health" playstyle.

Hopefully zos does something about this toxic skill and toxic playstyle. No more defile, remove stun from stealth (why is that still in the game anyway?) and lower the damage or increase the risk to snipe. Obviously the desync needs to be fixed too

Skwor

Remove the stealth stun bonus for snipe only, fix the desync, change defile to minor, issue resolved.

russelmmendoza

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

yeah, good luck with that,

that is like trying to fix cyrodiil lag,

will be waiting for this with anticipation.

Bouldercleave

Beardimus wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Pro players lol, it doesn't matter who you are if you get hit 4-5 times before any acknowledgement and you 100-0% instant. If you are trying to justify Snipe how it is you are swimming against the tide sir.

It's bugged, there are health desync issues, it's getting looked at. There's no contest

Clearly the community think snipe is broken and has been for years.

My point is, is it now an exploit to do it as its been picked up on.

So what you are REALLY asking is "Can I report people for exploiting the snipe desync because it has been acknowledged as an issue that they are looking in to?"

Jesus man, just ask what you really want to ask. When was the last time anyone ever got an "official view" on anything around here?

Aurielle

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Pro players lol, it doesn't matter who you are if you get hit 4-5 times before any acknowledgement and you 100-0% instant. If you are trying to justify Snipe how it is you are swimming against the tide sir.

It's bugged, there are health desync issues, it's getting looked at. There's no contest

Clearly the community think snipe is broken and has been for years.

My point is, is it now an exploit to do it as its been picked up on.

So what you are REALLY asking is "Can I report people for exploiting the snipe desync because it has been acknowledged as an issue that they are looking in to?"

Jesus man, just ask what you really want to ask. When was the last time anyone ever got an "official view" on anything around here?

To be fair, it’s a valid question. If the developers acknowledge that spamming Snipe from stealth is an exploit, since the health desync bug gives the player an unfair advantage, then it’s a reportable offence. I will absolutely report the next snipetard who subjects me to the bug if the devs confirm that it’s an exploit.

thedude33

Beardimus wrote: »

SO... Now Snipe stacking healthy desync is in the reps notes Its been acknowledged, and devs looking to fix - Awesome.

So surely Its now offically the exploit we've all known it to be for years right? It's a bug, something thats wrong, that gives players an advantage that's being fixed?

Any official view on that? As to me its pretty clear however am happy to be enlightened, but using it in a focused way (duo teams in Battlegrounds, picking folks off in Cyro 100%-0% can no longer be legit....

That's a great idea. You know of anyone that would partner up with me in Cyro ?

Bouldercleave

Aurielle wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Pro players lol, it doesn't matter who you are if you get hit 4-5 times before any acknowledgement and you 100-0% instant. If you are trying to justify Snipe how it is you are swimming against the tide sir.

It's bugged, there are health desync issues, it's getting looked at. There's no contest

Clearly the community think snipe is broken and has been for years.

My point is, is it now an exploit to do it as its been picked up on.

So what you are REALLY asking is "Can I report people for exploiting the snipe desync because it has been acknowledged as an issue that they are looking in to?"

Jesus man, just ask what you really want to ask. When was the last time anyone ever got an "official view" on anything around here?

To be fair, it’s a valid question. If the developers acknowledge that spamming Snipe from stealth is an exploit, since the health desync bug gives the player an unfair advantage, then it’s a reportable offence. I will absolutely report the next snipetard who subjects me to the bug if the devs confirm that it’s an exploit.

Understood - my issue is why just not ask that question? Why tiptoe around "official views" and all the passive aggresive banter.

The question is is it now going to be a reportable offence? In my opinion, yes but nothing will be done about it because they will take a LONG time to fix the issue - if ever. The issue is not with a exploit by players, it is with lag and desync and they haven't been able to make a dent in that problem for years. It would be a pretty bad policy to punish players for the failure of the game itself.

Anyone with a speck of common sense will know that no one will be punished seriously for a problem with the core game no matter what the "official view" is.

Aurielle

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Pro players lol, it doesn't matter who you are if you get hit 4-5 times before any acknowledgement and you 100-0% instant. If you are trying to justify Snipe how it is you are swimming against the tide sir.

It's bugged, there are health desync issues, it's getting looked at. There's no contest

Clearly the community think snipe is broken and has been for years.

My point is, is it now an exploit to do it as its been picked up on.

So what you are REALLY asking is "Can I report people for exploiting the snipe desync because it has been acknowledged as an issue that they are looking in to?"

Jesus man, just ask what you really want to ask. When was the last time anyone ever got an "official view" on anything around here?

To be fair, it’s a valid question. If the developers acknowledge that spamming Snipe from stealth is an exploit, since the health desync bug gives the player an unfair advantage, then it’s a reportable offence. I will absolutely report the next snipetard who subjects me to the bug if the devs confirm that it’s an exploit.

Understood - my issue is why just not ask that question? Why tiptoe around "official views" and all the passive aggresive banter.

The question is is it now going to be a reportable offence? In my opinion, yes but nothing will be done about it because they will take a LONG time to fix the issue - if ever. The issue is not with a exploit by players, it is with lag and desync and they haven't been able to make a dent in that problem for years. It would be a pretty bad policy to punish players for the failure of the game itself.

Anyone with a speck of common sense will know that no one will be punished seriously for a problem with the core game no matter what the "official view" is.

People were banned for grinding XP in IC when mobs there were bugged and giving more XP than intended — even if they did not realize that a bug existed. So it’s not unheard of... and anyway, lots of players spam Snipe from stealth knowing that the skill bugs people out. They get hate tells and laugh about it. There’s a reason why Snipe spam is so ubiquitous.

yodased

Reads more like ammunition to win an argument with a pvp frienemy than it is to report people, but I have no idea.

The fact that they have systems people looking at the overlapping systems is a wonderful sign though, they have brought surgeons to cut the cancer and have given up treating the disease with essential oils.

Beardimus

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Pro players lol, it doesn't matter who you are if you get hit 4-5 times before any acknowledgement and you 100-0% instant. If you are trying to justify Snipe how it is you are swimming against the tide sir.

It's bugged, there are health desync issues, it's getting looked at. There's no contest

Clearly the community think snipe is broken and has been for years.

My point is, is it now an exploit to do it as its been picked up on.

So what you are REALLY asking is "Can I report people for exploiting the snipe desync because it has been acknowledged as an issue that they are looking in to?"

Jesus man, just ask what you really want to ask. When was the last time anyone ever got an "official view" on anything around here?

No, that's not the question. I already can report them, and have done.

I wanna know if they gonna do something about it, hence my thread.

LordTareq

The way I read it, its a bug and not an exploit? Or can this deliberately be cheesed to trigger?

Beardimus

LordTareq wrote: »

The way I read it, its a bug and not an exploit? Or can this deliberately be cheesed to trigger?

Using a bug to advantage is an exploit, I think. Hence asking. Triggering is around definition again I guess.

It's been bust for an age but the acknowledgment by them thats Its bust id assume would lead to Its focused use being an exploit. Nightmare to police etc am sure.

When there have been bugs before like XP Im imperial city etc they have stated that doing it intentionally id bananable.

iCaliban

Oberstein wrote: »

Pro players just dodge those snipes very easily and my snipes hardly ever hit the target. If there's bug they should fix that.

Seraphayel wrote: »

This ability is so bugged and unhealthy for PvP gameplay

i think addons that warn player whatever spell coming to hit is unhealthy for PvP. Almost grants you free 360* vision that warns incoming spells.

Wait, this is still in game? I thought it was removed a long time ago

LordTareq

Beardimus wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

The way I read it, its a bug and not an exploit? Or can this deliberately be cheesed to trigger?

Using a bug to advantage is an exploit, I think. Hence asking. Triggering is around definition again I guess.

It's been bust for an age but the acknowledgment by them thats Its bust id assume would lead to Its focused use being an exploit. Nightmare to police etc am sure.

When there have been bugs before like XP Im imperial city etc they have stated that doing it intentionally id bananable.

Not if its not deliberately done. If my Incapacitating Strike occasionally bugs out and insta-kills the target, its just a bug. If I need to equip a certain set combination while drinking a certain potion to purposefully trigger the bug, then its an exploit.