Essay: Being DC character in post-BaseGame feels bad [SPOILERS]

MartiniDaniels

You have most awesome mascot - Stibbons and his Lady

TiaFrye

Osteos wrote: »

Number_51 wrote: »

No mention at all of Bumnog? I always thought of Bumnog as DC's Rigurt, but he's only featured in two quests and makes a brief, cameo appearance in Orsinium.

Or Captain Albert Marck who is associated with 3 quests in Stormhaven, takes on Lambur and the rest of the crew that didn't agree with Kaleen and takes you to Sentinel for the start of the Alik'r story line.

Overall I think DC has the best story line and the most returning characters throughout the base game and into the first few DLC. I personally don't need a Raz, that cat is all talk anyway, or Naryu, her constant threats of killing me if I betray her are tiresome. Not to mention how she goes on about the rules and codes of her guild then breaks them to save Veya which leads to the events in Summerset. I did like the progression of that story starting with the gold coast though. I agree I do not feel aligned to them at all as a DC character and I would like to see a similar level of progression with some DC characters.

I agree that there should have been some dialog with Gabrielle after Summerset. I would like to see her come back and Skordo the Knife.

Of course, bare-fisted Bumnog, non-Daggers with Ramlyn brothers, captain Kaleen's and captain Albert Marck's crews, so many good characters and yet almost none of them are ever seen again after the base game. It is unfortunate.

Ilsabet wrote: »

With all that said, I don't entirely share your feelings about DC NPCs being underrepresented in DLCs or that they're unlikeable. If anything, I feel like being a DC main has given me more meaningful interactions with NPCs than I would have had if I'd started in a different alliance. But I will absolutely not complain if we see more fun recurring characters in future zones.

I don't think DC characters are unlikeable, I think that the way ZOS is using them starting to make the ones we actually get to see constantly so, i.e I'm don't want to participate in abuse of a manservant by spoiled noble AGAIN AND AGAIN and I don't find it funny, but Lady Laurent and Stibbons are almost the only DC characters we're given in most DLCs. And it's sad. Since Orsinium we have almost none meaningful returns beside Darien, and while returning Gabby didn't even had a quest for her, only a couple of lines of dialogue, while Vanos siblings, Rigurt has awesome quests that aren't irritating while being a comic relief.

Hallothiel wrote: »

Hmm not sure I agree. Darien was given the main role in Summerset - it could not have been saved without him.
And he’s not dead. Just......elsewhere?

He's not dead, just in Colored Rooms again. And the point was "while Darien is away most of the time, unlike Naryu and Raz, we still not given an alternative in interaction with most of other interesting DC characters, only a couple constantly being reused to the point it became tiresome".

TiaFrye

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

You have most awesome mascot - Stibbons and his Lady

You consider constant abuse of a person funny, don't you?

Gilvoth

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ListerJMC

Ilsabet wrote: »

This brings me to the one major thing that peeves me about Summerset. In general I loved the zone and I loved Darien's involvement in it. Even though we lost him again, I thought the Crystal Tower scene was lovely and they made his sacrifice extremely meaningful. And then just when I thought I had my closure, we get that book that tells us that a) he's still alive, which is great, and b) he's in the process of dying, which is the opposite of closure and basically puts us into the same position we were in after finding the note in Orsinium. Except that this time we know where he is, and - oh hey! We know someone who has a magic portal that can warp us into Daedric realms of Oblivion! Let's just go back to Artaeum and talk to Val and - wait what do you mean I do not meet the requirements when I stand here spamming E on the Dreaming Cave portal. YES VALSIRENN, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO FIND SOMEONE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS AND THEN LOSE HIM AGAIN. I had to make up some bogus but semi-plausible-sounding reason why Ilsabet couldn't go charging after her man, because ZOS decided to dangle that revelation in front of us and then give us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE IN-UNIVERSE MEANS TO GO AFTER HIM.

Okay as an aside I'm really glad someone else thought this because one of my characters felt the same way about Verandis and that's the first thing I thought when I got to the Dreaming Cave quest with him!

I'm hoping Darien does come back somehow as he seemed to be DC's most popular recurring NPC, but I would love others to get more of a chance as the OP is asking.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

You have most awesome mascot - Stibbons and his Lady

Do people see them as DC's main representatives? I was thinking that would go to Darien.

Knootewoot

I liked DC story the best. Such memorable characters. I just wish I run more often into Nicolene.

TiaFrye

ListerJMC wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

This brings me to the one major thing that peeves me about Summerset. In general I loved the zone and I loved Darien's involvement in it. Even though we lost him again, I thought the Crystal Tower scene was lovely and they made his sacrifice extremely meaningful. And then just when I thought I had my closure, we get that book that tells us that a) he's still alive, which is great, and b) he's in the process of dying, which is the opposite of closure and basically puts us into the same position we were in after finding the note in Orsinium. Except that this time we know where he is, and - oh hey! We know someone who has a magic portal that can warp us into Daedric realms of Oblivion! Let's just go back to Artaeum and talk to Val and - wait what do you mean I do not meet the requirements when I stand here spamming E on the Dreaming Cave portal. YES VALSIRENN, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO FIND SOMEONE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS AND THEN LOSE HIM AGAIN. I had to make up some bogus but semi-plausible-sounding reason why Ilsabet couldn't go charging after her man, because ZOS decided to dangle that revelation in front of us and then give us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE IN-UNIVERSE MEANS TO GO AFTER HIM.

Okay as an aside I'm really glad someone else thought this because one of my characters felt the same way about Verandis and that's the first thing I thought when I got to the Dreaming Cave quest with him!

I'm hoping Darien does come back somehow as he seemed to be DC's most popular recurring NPC, but I would love others to get more of a chance as the OP is asking.

Jezz, yes, saving Verandis is my No2 in to-do-***-to-a-daedric-prince list after Darien.

ListerJMC wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

You have most awesome mascot - Stibbons and his Lady

Do people see them as DC's main representatives? I was thinking that would go to Darien.

This is what you get after being a walking spoiler for 4 years.

Ermiq

Agree, Lady Laurant and Stibbons encounters are not fun anymore, they're rather annoying and silly. If they will go to Elsweyr, I think I just won't talk to them anymore.

TiaFrye

Ermiq wrote: »

Agree, Lady Laurant and Stibbons encounters are not fun anymore, they're rather annoying and silly. If they will go to Elsweyr, I think I just won't talk to them anymore.

I'll surely do the same. If in the base game you could've shield Stibbons from harm and assist him time to time. But the last time you've been forced to watch how he is poisoned, almost bitten to death by mosquitos and almost freeze his manhood under a waterfall just to be turned into a freaking egg with Lady Laurent joking darkly about it. It's not funny anymore, it's horrible.

Ilsabet

ListerJMC wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

This brings me to the one major thing that peeves me about Summerset. In general I loved the zone and I loved Darien's involvement in it. Even though we lost him again, I thought the Crystal Tower scene was lovely and they made his sacrifice extremely meaningful. And then just when I thought I had my closure, we get that book that tells us that a) he's still alive, which is great, and b) he's in the process of dying, which is the opposite of closure and basically puts us into the same position we were in after finding the note in Orsinium. Except that this time we know where he is, and - oh hey! We know someone who has a magic portal that can warp us into Daedric realms of Oblivion! Let's just go back to Artaeum and talk to Val and - wait what do you mean I do not meet the requirements when I stand here spamming E on the Dreaming Cave portal. YES VALSIRENN, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO FIND SOMEONE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS AND THEN LOSE HIM AGAIN. I had to make up some bogus but semi-plausible-sounding reason why Ilsabet couldn't go charging after her man, because ZOS decided to dangle that revelation in front of us and then give us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE IN-UNIVERSE MEANS TO GO AFTER HIM.

Okay as an aside I'm really glad someone else thought this because one of my characters felt the same way about Verandis and that's the first thing I thought when I got to the Dreaming Cave quest with him!

Verandis is absolutely in the same category of it would be great if ZOS remembered he existed and gave us a way to rescue him. Unfortunately I think he gets forgotten more easily since he's only in the one zone and we all kind of left him behind long ago.

Now if it were me, I'd have plans for some big follow-up with Molag Bal being nefarious again, which post-main-quest dolmen dialogue suggests might be a thing, and Verandis could easily fit into that somehow being one of Molag Bal's prize toys.

MartiniDaniels

TiaFrye wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

You have most awesome mascot - Stibbons and his Lady

You consider constant abuse of a person funny, don't you?

Maybe I simply like funny characters and funny stories? And this pair appears in TES very often and carries distinctive breton features, so for me they are representatives of DC similar to Razum-Dar who often appears in AD territory.

TiaFrye

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

You have most awesome mascot - Stibbons and his Lady

You consider constant abuse of a person funny, don't you?

Maybe I simply like funny characters and funny stories? And this pair appears in TES very often and carries distinctive breton features, so for me they are representatives of DC similar to Razum-Dar who often appears in AD territory.

There is a rule when you don't laugh until you're absolutely certain that the person who's funny-hurt are okay. It's hard to laugh with these two nowdays, especially in DLCs.
While funny character with funny stories that actually don't make you think about someone being hurt exists! Rigurt, who's just fooling around not realizing that and being funny because of that. This is a good reuse of a character and a good writing of a funny story. Lady Laurent's is not.
A lot of people are not happy with these two above mainly because you can't really tell if Stibbons ends up okay one day.

MartiniDaniels

TiaFrye wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

You have most awesome mascot - Stibbons and his Lady

You consider constant abuse of a person funny, don't you?

Maybe I simply like funny characters and funny stories? And this pair appears in TES very often and carries distinctive breton features, so for me they are representatives of DC similar to Razum-Dar who often appears in AD territory.

There is a rule when you don't laugh until you're absolutely certain that the person who's funny-hurt are okay. It's hard to laugh with these two nowdays, especially in DLCs.
While funny character with funny stories that actually don't make you think about someone being hurt exists! Rigurt, who's just fooling around not realizing that and being funny because of that. This is a good reuse of a character and a good writing of a funny story. Lady Laurent's is not.
A lot of people are not happy with these two above mainly because you can't really tell if Stibbons ends up okay one day.

Well, you know it's very personal to everybody and also for each national culture, some love "black humor", some not. I like that kind of humor, you may don't like and I'm ok with that. It's just majority of overland quests in ESO are kinda bland so I forget characters in a day, and won't remember them if they re-appear.. Stibbons, Tharayya - it's persons I remember when i remember DC. Emeric.. yes, but he is mostly in epic fail position in start of each quest so he feels more like victim then like mascot. Rigurt is funny too yeah, though he is more like EP mascot then

TiaFrye

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

You have most awesome mascot - Stibbons and his Lady

You consider constant abuse of a person funny, don't you?

Maybe I simply like funny characters and funny stories? And this pair appears in TES very often and carries distinctive breton features, so for me they are representatives of DC similar to Razum-Dar who often appears in AD territory.

There is a rule when you don't laugh until you're absolutely certain that the person who's funny-hurt are okay. It's hard to laugh with these two nowdays, especially in DLCs.
While funny character with funny stories that actually don't make you think about someone being hurt exists! Rigurt, who's just fooling around not realizing that and being funny because of that. This is a good reuse of a character and a good writing of a funny story. Lady Laurent's is not.
A lot of people are not happy with these two above mainly because you can't really tell if Stibbons ends up okay one day.

Well, you know it's very personal to everybody and also for each national culture, some love "black humor", some not. I like that kind of humor, you may don't like and I'm ok with that. It's just majority of overland quests in ESO are kinda bland so I forget characters in a day, and won't remember them if they re-appear.. Stibbons, Tharayya - it's persons I remember when i remember DC. Emeric.. yes, but he is mostly in epic fail position in start of each quest so he feels more like victim then like mascot. Rigurt is funny too yeah, though he is more like EP mascot then

Yes, exactly, it's personal and having some alternatives would be much appreciated. But we have no such alternatives. That's why I created this thread.
It's also very admirable that you've mentioned Tharayya! Not many people would remember a character from a dungeon, and I'm very happy that she's returning in the Wrathstone very soon.

On mascots, and I mean mascots like someone who would be on the cover, leading promotion, not memorable characters in general - it's rather clearly established by game's pattern and promotions that Naryu, Raz and Darien are that kind of mascots. While Darien has no cinematic appearance in CGI trailers, it was his character that was chosen to be shown in line with Five Companions for E3 story trailer covering the ESO as a whole, but rather his first appearance than latest because of spoilers.
Lady Laurent and Stibbons are the part of "Researchers" party of each alliance, along with Vanos siblings (EP) and Telenger the Artificer (AD). Last one haven't seen since the base game too and while AD has their portion of characters right now, it's sad that he was not reintroduced in DLCs for me much as mu own alliance 's characters.
As for Rigurt - i simply a little bit envious of him, that's all.

Tandor

TiaFrye wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Wow, far to long. I am hoping at some point clarity of thought enters that long wall or text. Honest feedback., If there is a point you are trying to make I suggest you get to it much faster and with more clarity.

I am assuming that the point is not to complain about a story line that is 5 years old but since you have made a big deal about it that is what Zos is going to see and will just stop reading because they will not be rewriting the base game stories. Anyhow, that is what seemed to be the case until the point I stopped reading.

Point was that when comparing Base Game to it's aftermath, right now DC in underrepresented in all DLCs and Chapters so far in terms of interactions (from the point of DC player) to the point that some players might feel left alone. Added this part to the top of the post. Why is that I've clarified with wall of text.

You're missing the point which is that a wall of text never clarified anything. People just don't bother to read it. That then leads to your next counter "you clearly haven't read my post".

logarifmik

Tandor wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Wow, far to long. I am hoping at some point clarity of thought enters that long wall or text. Honest feedback., If there is a point you are trying to make I suggest you get to it much faster and with more clarity.

I am assuming that the point is not to complain about a story line that is 5 years old but since you have made a big deal about it that is what Zos is going to see and will just stop reading because they will not be rewriting the base game stories. Anyhow, that is what seemed to be the case until the point I stopped reading.

Point was that when comparing Base Game to it's aftermath, right now DC in underrepresented in all DLCs and Chapters so far in terms of interactions (from the point of DC player) to the point that some players might feel left alone. Added this part to the top of the post. Why is that I've clarified with wall of text.

You're missing the point which is that a wall of text never clarified anything. People just don't bother to read it. That then leads to your next counter "you clearly haven't read my post".

Some people do, be rest assured. Especially when OP raise such an interesting and rarely touched topic. A lot of people here on the forum like to speak about game mechanics and its content, but it's quite rare when someone write something adequate regarding the narrative.

FrancisCrawford

I think DC had the best NPCs by far, and this was reflected in the role Darien/Gabrielle played in the assault on Molag Bal.

After that, however, you're correct. The great Spearhead group -- Jakarn, Lerisa, Kaleen, Nicolette -- saw less use than they deserved, even in the late DC stories, and almost none after that. Darien has played a major role, but since Coldharbour it's been mainly in absentia. Lady Laurent/Stibbens is a really tiresome duo. Gabrielle is mainly offstage as well (she has a sister in Craglorn, she wrote a book that can be found in Stonefalls, etc.)

Now part of this is probably that Vvardenfell and Clockwork City are run by dark elves, while Summerset is part of the AD. And Wrothgar somehow didn't include much in the way of DC characters, Kurog's backstory in Rivenspire notwithstanding. So maybe balance will be restored later.

And by the way -- we know that at least Therralya is coming back.

TiaFrye

Tandor wrote: »

You're missing the point which is that a wall of text never clarified anything. People just don't bother to read it. That then leads to your next counter "you clearly haven't read my post".

It is called "essay" for a reason. I'm speaking my point with examples and gathered proof base on the topic. You can't do that with 3 sentences, people will demand proof and guess what? It's a wall of text. I'm not whining here about the nerfs which takes one word.
People who got "haven't read my post" missed the first paragraph where I clearly stated that this is not about DC zones and not about PVP.

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

And by the way -- we know that at least Therralya is coming back.

Yes, Therralya, it's an awesome return, and stylish none less. Her new costume fits her well.

ESO_Nightingale

TiaFrye wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

i mean, you guys have most of the map filled anyway. elsweyr needed representation because they had half a zone and an island.... like... lol. then it's likely back to EP which has most of its land just empty.

i think that DC was over-represented at the start of the game's life

it got Craglorn, Hew's Bane, Wrothgar. and Cyrodiil received another zone. Then it starts to move to ebonheart territory. just wait another year or 2. i think they will do Skyrim next because people want The Reach, and then we may see Hegathe or Rihad or something. i'm not going to argue about the story because they seem like valid points. but we should fill up the north, east and south first before we venture back to the west.

I was talking about not being interested in zones but in interactions with LIKEABLE characters and yet you still talking zones? Really?
I get it, the main post is big, but when I was just talking about the same thing with the other person and you insists on me wanting zones, it's irritating.

Well my bad fam.

alanmatillab16_ESO

TiaFrye wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

You guys get everyone's hunk'a hunk'a burnin Meridia's tool, Darien. Also Skordo, and whats her face the Mage girl with Twilight Sparkle's voice.

Who's seen 1 time after base game and that's all. Sparkle didn't even got a quest. While not-so-likeable characters are showed in my face.
Again - you clearly haven't read my post.

Just because they disagree with you does not mean they did not read your post.

Also, once One Tamriel landed who really cared about the different alliances outside of PVP? Roleplayers? nope because a roleplayer will roleplay and not count how many quests they have done.

The only ones that are bothered by having different NPCs, not having a certain NPC type etc etc are warcraft players. Whining about perceived imbalance between their two factions is their bread and butter.

Jaimeh

TiaFrye wrote: »

But Naryu's and Raz's friendship with DC protagonist is questionable at best. From the standpoint of a DC protagonist, they are employed spies for their alliance (while Darien, for example, was neutral through all the DC story and ended up in neutral party, Fighters Guild). Raz will always chose his queen and his job (he refused to come with you to the Crystal tower, because he had a job for a crown to do - saving people of Summerset), while Naryu possibly lied to you about Veya, who's responsible at least for two deaths in Summerset and indirectly caused Darien's second return into Colored Rooms, not to mention Naryu lashing out on you on the Gold Coast in case you've made a mistake while saving Sweetroll killer victims or/and choosing Raz's side at the end.
So, while I like these characters, I can't relate to them in full as a DC player and can't be hyped like players of their alliances to see them again. And our own mascot is always a big spoiler and devs can't talk about his as much.

I liked reading your thoughts on the perspective of a DC vestige. I have to agree that Raz and Naryu have had a lot more screen time, probably because they are very popular characters with the community, and because I don't think Darien was intended to be their DC equivalent from the start, but somehow ended up that way. And although I like them a lot (Naryu especially), I've always thought that underneath everything, she and Raz are kind of cold individuals. Don't know why, just my impression. Darien seems more genuine in comparison. Anyway, I don't think we've seen the last of him, and I've always wanted to go back to the coloured rooms (prettiest plane in ESO in my opinion ^^), so holding hope for the next chapter.

FrancisCrawford

Jaimeh wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

But Naryu's and Raz's friendship with DC protagonist is questionable at best. From the standpoint of a DC protagonist, they are employed spies for their alliance (while Darien, for example, was neutral through all the DC story and ended up in neutral party, Fighters Guild). Raz will always chose his queen and his job (he refused to come with you to the Crystal tower, because he had a job for a crown to do - saving people of Summerset), while Naryu possibly lied to you about Veya, who's responsible at least for two deaths in Summerset and indirectly caused Darien's second return into Colored Rooms, not to mention Naryu lashing out on you on the Gold Coast in case you've made a mistake while saving Sweetroll killer victims or/and choosing Raz's side at the end.
So, while I like these characters, I can't relate to them in full as a DC player and can't be hyped like players of their alliances to see them again. And our own mascot is always a big spoiler and devs can't talk about his as much.

I liked reading your thoughts on the perspective of a DC vestige. I have to agree that Raz and Naryu have had a lot more screen time, probably because they are very popular characters with the community, and because I don't think Darien was intended to be their DC equivalent from the start, but somehow ended up that way. And although I like them a lot (Naryu especially), I've always thought that underneath everything, she and Raz are kind of cold individuals. Don't know why, just my impression. Darien seems more genuine in comparison. Anyway, I don't think we've seen the last of him, and I've always wanted to go back to the coloured rooms (prettiest plane in ESO in my opinion ^^), so holding hope for the next chapter.

I think Raz and Naryu are such big deals in large part because their respective alliances have little else in the way of engaging NPCs. Naryu doesn't even have that much to do in the EP zones; ZoS and the players alike just latched onto her because there's almost nobody else in the EP to remember, let alone like. (Rigurt, the Vaynos siblings, and who else?) Similarly, who's your third-favorite character in the AD after Raz and Ayrenn in some order?

The DC had more diversity of good characters.

Saoirse_Siobhan

I would love to see Count Verandis Ravenwatch back at some point, seems he could have a big part to play in the future considering that his story was sort of left open ended. He would make a powerful ally. Just a shame he didn't have more to do in the Molag Bal questline, as that would have made more sense.

TiaFrye

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

You guys get everyone's hunk'a hunk'a burnin Meridia's tool, Darien. Also Skordo, and whats her face the Mage girl with Twilight Sparkle's voice.

Who's seen 1 time after base game and that's all. Sparkle didn't even got a quest. While not-so-likeable characters are showed in my face.
Again - you clearly haven't read my post.

Just because they disagree with you does not mean they did not read your post.

Also, once One Tamriel landed who really cared about the different alliances outside of PVP? Roleplayers? nope because a roleplayer will roleplay and not count how many quests they have done.

The only ones that are bothered by having different NPCs, not having a certain NPC type etc etc are warcraft players. Whining about perceived imbalance between their two factions is their bread and butter.

I've never played Warcraft and I don't really care about Warcraft.
What I care about is a story and storyteling. While taking about roleplayers, who isn't that much of a force in ESO community, PVP folk who buff up on dolmens and Skyreach and doesn't give a damn about quests, don't forget that large portion of the community are questers. Who came here because it's Elder Scrolls game and some of these players have their loyalties we don't want to betray. Otherwise we would not get one massive story chapter and one story dlc a year, with little updates here and there for PVP.

If narrative doesn't bother you it doesn't mean that everyone doesn't care as well.
The person in quoted post stated that we have this and that, like I was saying that we don't have anything and this was not the point. That means they haven't read the part where I actually talk about these characters being left off while people clearly want them back, and according to Loremaster's letter ZOS bring back who we want.

TiaFrye

Jaimeh wrote: »

I have to agree that Raz and Naryu have had a lot more screen time, probably because they are very popular characters with the community, and because I don't think Darien was intended to be their DC equivalent from the start, but somehow ended up that way.

When you actually say that it makes a lot of sense considering much neutral vibes on his part while Naryu and Raz are clear to represent their sides at given moment. I have a soft spot for Darien, maybe a little too soft, but in the bigger picture his departure made DC an orphan with holes that ZOS are not filling with interactions. Even tho we have lots of material to do so. That's very unfortunate.
I'd rather see Darien as part of neutral people, like characters from MQ. He's closer to the Vestige as a brother-in-Oblivion rather brother-in-arms, being created by the Daedric Prince and all that. But considering that his latest performance is basically the best DC had since Orsinium heavily interfering with the wish to let it go.

logarifmik

Ermiq wrote: »

Agree, Lady Laurant and Stibbons encounters are not fun anymore, they're rather annoying and silly. If they will go to Elsweyr, I think I just won't talk to them anymore.

TiaFrye wrote: »

I'll surely do the same. If in the base game you could've shield Stibbons from harm and assist him time to time. But the last time you've been forced to watch how he is poisoned, almost bitten to death by mosquitos and almost freeze his manhood under a waterfall just to be turned into a freaking egg with Lady Laurent joking darkly about it. It's not funny anymore, it's horrible.

I searched the forum just to be sure I'm not alone thinking that the last encounter with Lady Laurent is a terrible joke. Who in Oblivion wrote this part?! The man have a sick sense of humor. I wonder if it's the same person who wrote the Murkmire's prologue quests. An awful narrative stuffed with disgusting jokes!

MornaBaine

I hate how ignored DC is. Wanna be really depressed @TiaFrye ? Take a look at this map:



Know what you're seeing there? LOTS of space for zone DLC for EVERY RACE... you know, EXCEPT for the Bretons. It's infuriating.

Chilly-McFreeze

MornaBaine wrote: »

I hate how ignored DC is. Wanna be really depressed @TiaFrye ? Take a look at this map:



Know what you're seeing there? LOTS of space for zone DLC for EVERY RACE... you know, EXCEPT for the Bretons. It's infuriating.

Well, some people call Orsinium the best DLC to date. It's the measuring stick in every thread about new DLCs/ Chapters.
And even tho it hasn't much to do with the Covenant storywise, aren't Hew's Bane and parts of Craglorn DC territory as well? What I see is a parts of Hammerfell not filled, the parts around it are Skyrim and Cyrodiil.

TiaFrye

I am very depressed, @MornaBaine . Much. I'm trying to calm myself by the fact that the kajiit truly got one small island and one zone in base game. So Elsweyr is good, for now. We'll see who'll they bring back and decide should we cry a river again or feel redemption.
Fingers crossed for Adamantine tower still. Could be the last thing that bretons might get for a dlc. Base game was nice, but new models and motif everyone have... Yes, sad.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Well, some people call Orsinium the best DLC to date. It's the measuring stick in every thread about new DLCs/ Chapters.
And even tho it hasn't much to do with the Covenant storywise, aren't Hew's Bane and parts of Craglorn DC territory as well? What I see is a parts of Hammerfell not filled, the parts around it are Skyrim and Cyrodiil.

It's more about seeing familiar faces, friends that you trust based on from what alliance you are. DC got Hew's Bane with no recurring characters here and Craglorn (which is no-man's-land as far as I know) in the same fashion with only one character having relation to one of DC's recurring characters.
Orsinium had a few, thank god, but after that and almost until Summerset it was a dead silence from them. Wich is quite depressing while other factions meet their friends right and left. And we have to endure Lady Laurent. Neramo and his gang is okay, but they keep on using only these guys while the true stars of the base game nowhere to be found.

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While I kind of like Darien, Naryu and Raz, I didn't like them as much as I did like Skordo. And while I don't feel my favorite alliance DC's returning characters are underrepresented in post-base game conten, I'm really sad that I didn't get more Skordo.
His last Orsinium line of dialog actually crushed me:
"(...)but enough with the reminiscing. It's time to make some new memories! And (...) I'm sure we'll run into each other again some time."
If felt like a break-up to me. On good terms, but a break-up nonetheless.
Sigh.