Why do pvp ers want all pve/trial stuff nerfed

Mr_Walker

Stebarnz wrote: »

The entire game should be balanced around pvp because to balance pve its very easy.
Give mob more health or resist. pve doesn't matter it is very very easy, you can run it naked or bis'd out, it literally doesn't matter.
You can give pve crowd massive broke sets and its like 'great let me roll x build and I can crush this boring content over and over and over'.
The only place you should focus on balance is in pvp.
Pve needs role clarification more than balance.

Me, me, me.

mdylan2013

LordLomax wrote: »

Why are pvpers constantly wanting pve stuff nerfed like 4 posts on earthgore and Vigor . ? Pvp are the minority of the game if nerfs happen should be part of battle spirit when enter Cyrodiil / battlegrounds.

You know you have to do PVP to get vigor, right? So it is hardly 'pve stuff'.

Mr_Walker

mdylan2013 wrote: »

LordLomax wrote: »

Why are pvpers constantly wanting pve stuff nerfed like 4 posts on earthgore and Vigor . ? Pvp are the minority of the game if nerfs happen should be part of battle spirit when enter Cyrodiil / battlegrounds.

You know you have to do PVP to get vigor, right? So it is hardly 'pve stuff'.

Agreed, and it's totally not useful in pve....

grannas211

PvP is true end game anyways.

Emmagoldman

I like that the best healing, mag and stam dps trial set all come out of the same easiest trial and the pve community is like, no problem here! Diversity, meh. Just give us op stuff to make content easy

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

cuz most not all Pvp-ers cant 60k on the 6m dummy self buffed.

NBrookus

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

It's not the same at all. Neither the whining nor the result. I've never seen ZOS nerf PvP for the sake of PvE.

Shields. The shield nerf was specifically done for PvE reasons, according to the developers, and disproportionately affected PvPers.

Except it was never confirmed that the shields nerf was done only because of PvE, and shields were also heavily nerfed for PvP reasons ages ago. Those nerfs would still cancel out.

The shield nerf from 20 seconds to 6 seconds was also a PVE nerf; at the time the devs specifically cited VMA as the reason.

susmitds

NBrookus wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

It's not the same at all. Neither the whining nor the result. I've never seen ZOS nerf PvP for the sake of PvE.

Shields. The shield nerf was specifically done for PvE reasons, according to the developers, and disproportionately affected PvPers.

Except it was never confirmed that the shields nerf was done only because of PvE, and shields were also heavily nerfed for PvP reasons ages ago. Those nerfs would still cancel out.

The shield nerf from 20 seconds to 6 seconds was also a PVE nerf; at the time the devs specifically cited VMA as the reason.

Pretty much this. Magicka Sorcs and Nbs were rolling vMA then. Then again in Thieves Guild patch, Magicka Det was destroying PvP as well.

KhajiitFelix

Stebarnz wrote: »

The entire game should be balanced around pvp because to balance pve its very easy.
Give mob more health or resist. pve doesn't matter it is very very easy, you can run it naked or bis'd out, it literally doesn't matter.
You can give pve crowd massive broke sets and its like 'great let me roll x build and I can crush this boring content over and over and over'.
The only place you should focus on balance is in pvp.
Pve needs role clarification more than balance.

@Stebarnz Go complete vma naked no weapons on a Stamblade and say that again

WildWilbur

It's the chem trails! But we can be sure - ZOS will deny this! And that proofs we're right! Did you know that the ESO server were located on the backside of our flat earth? Yeah, my friend, the truth hurts sometimes...

drkfrontiers

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It’s not exclusive to PvP players ...

The same whining occurs when PvE players don’t want to PvP to get their caltrops/vigor ... or get their gear sets like Spell Strategist.

Or, PvEers want the Cyrodiil map nerfed so they can complete quests and get their skyshards.

The only reason those things are in PvP is because IC would be a ghost town without PvEers..

TequilaFire

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

cuz most not all Pvp-ers cant 60k on the 6m dummy self buffed.

Yeah those dummies are a major threat to Tamriel!

Shantu

The only logical answer to all this is to completely separate the PVE and PVP systems. ZOS has taken a system that was designed for PVE and tried to hard-press it into a PVP system. It will NEVER be balanced and so people will keep on complaining.

PVP should have been developed as a completely different system from the ground up with balance as a core construct of design. The idea that people are killed by gear procs is absurd. Let PVP'ers fight each other instead of fighting meta gear.

Svidrir

So that people come to ask on the forum why the pvp players go to get pve material

VaranisArano

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

It’s not exclusive to PvP players ...

The same whining occurs when PvE players don’t want to PvP to get their caltrops/vigor ... or get their gear sets like Spell Strategist.

Or, PvEers want the Cyrodiil map nerfed so they can complete quests and get their skyshards.

The only reason those things are in PvP is because IC would be a ghost town without PvEers..

Uh...

Yeah, the only reason Caltrops is in PVP is because it's the only place in the entire game where players face mounted enemies IC would be a ghost town without it.

Or Vigor, because PVP is the only content outside of Maelstrom where stamina players can expect to not have a magicka player providing heals if they need it IC would be a ghost town without it.

Yep, its definitely the case that IC being a ghost town is the cause of Vigor, Caltrops, new Cyrodiil rewards for the worthy sets, quests and skyshards being in Cyrodiil (which isnt a ghost town).

Um, what?

VoiDGhOs7

Vigor is fine, although it might seem unbalanced because of the major/minor buffs increasing the amount of healing, earthgore is just stupid, it has been nerfed but the nerf didnt solve anything because in pvp every1 is running it. Unless the devs manage to add a system to balance pvp/pve separately the changes will always affect both sides.
In pve earthgore allows you to run a 4 DD spec or 3 DD 1 Tank because thats how the meta works, nerfing it might bring back healers but I doubt since they cant outheal one shot mechanics.

josiahva

LordLomax wrote: »

Why are pvpers constantly wanting pve stuff nerfed like 4 posts on earthgore and Vigor . ? Pvp are the minority of the game if nerfs happen should be part of battle spirit when enter Cyrodiil / battlegrounds.

umm, Vigor is a PVP SKILL, and Earthgore is also heavily used in PVP...so there is your answer. both overperform there...but you might know that if you ever went into PvP. To be clear, I am not calling for a nerf of either, just explaining the rather obvious reasons other people call for nerfs...if they cant kill someone in 5 seconds something must be nerfed...or if someone kills them, it must also be nerfed.

imenace

because in pvp when something is broken it ruins everything for everyone, in pve when a set is broken it literally only matters to the 0.01% of the pvers that truly run everything to its limits, you can do all content in this game in pve with suboptimal gear. pvp is not against AI so balance is more delicate there

xxthir13enxx

Dear ZOS,
Please remove 10k from all Trial Bosses health bars to make all PVErs feel Great Again!
Sincerely a PVPr

Raammzzaa

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

The entire game should be balanced around pvp because to balance pve its very easy.
Give mob more health or resist. pve doesn't matter it is very very easy, you can run it naked or bis'd out, it literally doesn't matter.
You can give pve crowd massive broke sets and its like 'great let me roll x build and I can crush this boring content over and over and over'.
The only place you should focus on balance is in pvp.
Pve needs role clarification more than balance.

@Stebarnz Go complete vma naked no weapons on a Stamblade and say that again

Ah, the old “naked challenge”. I think it’s generally acceptable to use weapons though, just not armor... judging by the vids some people post running vMA in the nude.

NyassaV

So you get carried by earth-gore in PvE and PvP?

Stebarnz

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

The entire game should be balanced around pvp because to balance pve its very easy.
Give mob more health or resist. pve doesn't matter it is very very easy, you can run it naked or bis'd out, it literally doesn't matter.
You can give pve crowd massive broke sets and its like 'great let me roll x build and I can crush this boring content over and over and over'.
The only place you should focus on balance is in pvp.
Pve needs role clarification more than balance.

@Stebarnz Go complete vma naked no weapons on a Stamblade and say that again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8PV9N8JBpc

Not me, I would be far slicker ;P But VMA is very very easy content once you know how to play, have enough CP and know where every mob will spawn, pretty much like all pve content in this game hence my opinion that all balance should be based around pvp then the adjustment needed to balance pve can be done very easy by buffing or nerfing the mobs.

P.s I cannot do this with no weapons. So you win.

Mintaka5

PvPers are just miserable, bitter, self-centered see you next tuesdays

Juhasow

NBrookus wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

It's not the same at all. Neither the whining nor the result. I've never seen ZOS nerf PvP for the sake of PvE.

Shields. The shield nerf was specifically done for PvE reasons, according to the developers, and disproportionately affected PvPers.

Except it was never confirmed that the shields nerf was done only because of PvE, and shields were also heavily nerfed for PvP reasons ages ago. Those nerfs would still cancel out.

The shield nerf from 20 seconds to 6 seconds was also a PVE nerf; at the time the devs specifically cited VMA as the reason.

It was just one of the examples not one and only reason to nerf shields. Dont take things out of context to support Your claims. Person You quoted said that this was never nerf because of PvE only and this is true. Everybody knew shields were also broken in PvP with 20 seconds duration and devs mentioned PvP overperforming aspect of shields too.

Browiseth

and this is why PvE and PvP should be balanced seperately

jcm2606

Because the effect of imbalance is different between PVE and PVP. When something is imbalanced in PVE, it typically results in faster clears with the crutches; the result of imbalance is a net positive. When something is imbalanced in PVP, it typically results in either excessive damage, healing, sustain, no requirement for personal skill, etc; the result is imbalance is a net positive for the users of crutches, but a net negative for those on the receiving end.

The effect is very different between the two, which has led to a difference in opinions when it comes to balance. PVE players generally don't care if something is broken, as it results in their experience being better, while PVP players tend to understand that broken things make your experience better, but everybody else's experience worse, and they also understand that even though your experience is better, it isn't health for you as an individual, as there's no requirement for personal skill. You don't need to better yourself, because your broken gear/skills/etc are carrying you.

Earthgore is a prime example of the difference, this thread counted. Players don't care that Earthgore is the perfect crutch, allowing bad players to excel in certain roles in competitive environments, and they don't care that it isn't actually necessary for most end game content. All content before Horns of the Reach has been completed without Earthgore, so it isn't necessary, it's just a crutch.

Nutshotz

Mintaka5 wrote: »

PvPers are just miserable, bitter, self-centered see you next tuesdays

Hold up, can't tell if this is a sarcastic comment or not. Pvp players are miserable and self centered..... Have you meet the pve community lately! Thought so!

Mr_Walker

Nutshotz wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

PvPers are just miserable, bitter, self-centered see you next tuesdays

Hold up, can't tell if this is a sarcastic comment or not. Pvp players are miserable and self centered..... Have you meet the pve community lately! Thought so!

Relax, you can all be miserable and self-centred. Just put in the effort.

MajBludd

I have come across more l33ts in pve than I have ever in pvp.

Why some of you pvers are so salty to other players is something I don't understand. Did you go to cyro and have a bad experience so you feel that all pvpers are like that @Mr_Walker @Mintaka5 ?

How many ppl have you kicked from dungeons because they weren't high enough cp or had a little bit of difficulty?
Did you give a player like that some help or did you trash them?

I've found that in pve, never have I found that in pvp.

vamp_emily

I play a NB and get a lot of hate from new players because I am very good at moving around in stealth. I never understood all this "nerf" stuff because with the right setup any class can be OP.

I don't think people complain about a "bad" player depending on a crutch, it is more than likely a good player that knows what set to run. Example, put earthgore on me and I can't fight 10 players. Put earthgore on a skilled mag dk then he will make people cry 'nerf'. Also skilled groups with the right setup can make players cry.