Racial Passives and the Slippery Slope ZOS is rolling down

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  • Inig0
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    Just another thread that proves that PvP is the true endgame where choices and understanding of the game really matters.
    Going by your suggestions we would be left with no diversity in the game, everything would turn grey and boring.

    Bruh youve been running around cyro for the past 5 years in the same map doing the same thing. How is that not grey and boring for you? The options you have in pve are just as narrow than in pvp. If you dont want to recognize that then i dont know what to tell you. Theres a reason why the best dueler NA/EU plays only lizard on mag. With a morph system for racial youll be able to get away with playing any race if the lore racial flare passive is insignificant enough.
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  • ToRelax
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    Seems to me that Dunmer is still top tier pick for magicka pvp builds , especially for vemp builds.

    Shacklebreaker for example is a very popular off-set for magicka builds, paired very well with sets like Necropotence. Dummer already got the stats value build in and can skip Shacklebreaker for a set like Bright-Throat's Boast resulting in more damage and sustain compared to Altmer running with Shacklebreaker .

    No.

    Shacklebreaker not only provides more stam than Dunmer gets, especially when factoring in max stat increases from CP. It also takes care of your stamina regeneration.

    To use Bright-Throat's, Dunmer would have to use Witchmother's, which provides fewer stats than food options and is less necessary on Altmer thanks to their innate sustain. It also isn't mathematically superior to Shacklebreaker, simply providing a different set of stats. Seriously, running Dunmer in order to use Witchmother's...
    Altmer has plenty options of gaining max stam and stam regen that are more efficient than running Dunmer instead.
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  • lassitershawn
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    Having a Nord myself I was pretty happy for the buffs but if you look at this patch seriously from a PvE balance perspective you are gonna be pretty pigeonholed into a certain race for a certain role. Imo there should be at least two races more or less equal for each possible spec in PvE (stam DD, mag DD, tank, healer) for variety sake.
    Edited by lassitershawn on January 22, 2019 7:29PM
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  • J18696
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    nsmurfer wrote: »
    Taken from https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454707/race-pve-dps-difference-tests-for-both-stamina-and-magicka-results-and-graphical-breakdown#latest

    Maybe use real data, than decide based on biased emotions

    This is based off a solo buffed dummy rotation not grp buffed
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  • MartiniDaniels
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    Having a Nord myself I was pretty happy for the buffs but if you look at this patch seriously from a PvE balance perspective you are gonna be pretty pigeonholed into a certain race for a certain role. Imo there should be at least two races more or less equal for each possible spec in PvE (stam DD, mag DD, tank, healer) for variety sake.

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    Though in stamdps department it looks more or less close now. In others it's same pigeonholing, only races have somewhat changed.
  • JinMori
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    Do you really think PvP requires any less of mathematical understanding of the game ?

    No i don't
  • Bowser
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    I really like this idea!
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  • Playnice
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    This sort of confirmed my preconceived notions that an "only-choice" class would rise up above them all. ZOS making the racial passives generic spell damage/weapon damage for example, forces all end game players to select from one or two choices for all classes if they like pushing dps numbers to the limit. Yea yea people will say stuff like "Dunmer was always best at dk" and that's fine by me. At least Dunmer had a class to really shine in.
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  • sneakymitchell
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    nsmurfer wrote: »
    Taken from https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454707/race-pve-dps-difference-tests-for-both-stamina-and-magicka-results-and-graphical-breakdown#latest

    Maybe use real data, than decide based on biased emotions
    Funny nord ain’t on the list. But hey let’s just say nords are tanks while that ulti regen is still helpful for DD. With the cold resistance as well that helps get immunity to chilled helps even more in fights where everything is frost.

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  • Inig0
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    J18696 wrote: »

    This is based off a solo buffed dummy rotation not grp buffed

    Also after looking through their post a little bit i noticed they changed their armor enchants to reach 17k hp for ???????? they also used lighting blockade and a shock enchant. Which is just going to add a weird variety of buff uptimes. They also didnt include any screenshots from their combat metrics parses. Just because someone shows you a graph with numbers on it doesn't necessarily mean how theyre doing it is proper and good representation.
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