PTS Update 21 - Bug Reports for Combat & Class Abilities

ZOS_GinaBruno

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TrinityBreaker

So, are we getting actual class ability update in pts week 2?

ZOS_GinaBruno

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

So, are we getting actual class ability update in pts week 2?

Please see Rob's thread about the combat changes for Update 21: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/445615/combat-update-in-u21-a-new-approach/

kaevix

leeching strikes (stam morph of nightblade skill siphoning strikes) uses spell crit instead of weapon crit for healing

also, anything on the STUCK IN COMBAT bug? literally the most cancer *** in the game, just revert the "no gear/skill swapping in combat" change if u cant fix this bug

Koolio

Shadow image is still broken this year again


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/448293/thanks-for-the-great-communication-regarding-shadow-image#latest

Brrrofski

No mention of restoring focus (templar skill) being fixed. Currently unable to cast it while negated despite being a stamina costing skill.

No mention of magica flood passive being fixed for nightblade. Currently gives more max magica on the opposite bar if you only have one slotted.

No mention of magica aid passive (alliance war support passive) being fixed. Currently does not give 10% per skill slotted, only maxes out at 10%

These are all on Xbox so assume they are on PC too therefore should be addressed in this PTS cycle.

Anti_Virus

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

So, are we getting actual class ability update in pts week 2?

Nah

Toc de Malsvi

DK Spiked Armor reflecting infinitely against other DKs

Revokus

Was expecting a fix for the invalid location bug for Warden Nature's embrace and Nightblade Shade teleport skills. Hopefully we'll get that before the patch goes live ? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_Gilliam Are you guys aware and working on it ?

Vapirko

kaevix wrote: »

leeching strikes (stam morph of nightblade skill siphoning strikes) uses spell crit instead of weapon crit for healing

also, anything on the STUCK IN COMBAT bug? literally the most cancer *** in the game, just revert the "no gear/skill swapping in combat" change if u cant fix this bug

I was REALLY surprised to see no fix for this given that this is supposed to be a bug fix patch.

olsborg

Shadow Image still bugged since pre-murkmire, it does not let you teleport back to it if you are in keeps and one floor above or under the image location.

Cinbri

1. Rune Prison is still cleansable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9f-djERk6I

2. Breath of Life small heal is still ignore LoS:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/446863/breath-of-life-los-bug#latest

3. Cleansing Ritual still have bugged visual:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/446474/cleansing-ritual-visual-bug#latest

4. Radial Sweep still miss enemies in its range:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BKZYSxC7RA

Dracane

Pets do not deal the damage their tooltip is indicating.
In order to prove this, I used critters who always have 0 resistances.

My Twilight's tooltip says 7340 damage.


However, her actual damage dealt is only 5810. That is 1530 damage less or roughly 21% less.


Now my crystal shard, with the exact same stats, has a tooltip of 15255


Using it against the same critter with 0 resistance, it deals exactly its tooltip damage, as expected.


The same goes for the Volatile Familiar and the Clannfear. They still have the same bug they have on live, where their tooltip is much higher than the actual damage they deal (which was partially because CP get applied to the tooltip, yet not their damage) This test was done without any additional buffs that could interfere with the tooltip.

Pet tooltips have been summarized during this pts. It went from x damage +18% for the twilight to simply x damage. I believe that those 18% were added to their tooltip, yet still do not actually add to their damage dealt.
Pets are also not affected by the light armor passive concentration and also not by destruction passives. Whether intended or not, I found it worth mentioning.

My familiar asked me add his photos as well.





Look how cute and eager he is to help me. You can't possibly deny any wish to this good boy.

SaintSubwayy

Dracane wrote: »

Pets do not deal the damage their tooltip is indicating.
In order to prove this, I used critters who always have 0 resistances.

My Twilight's tooltip says 7340 damage.


However, her actual damage dealt is only 5810. That is 1530 damage less or roughly 21% less.


Now my crystal shard, with the exact same stats, has a tooltip of 15255


Using it against the same critter with 0 resistance, it deals exactly its tooltip damage, as expected.


The same goes for the Volatile Familiar and the Clannfear. They still have the same bug they have on live, where their tooltip is much higher than the actual damage they deal (which was partially because CP get applied to the tooltip, yet not their damage) This test was done without any additional buffs that could interfere with the tooltip.

Pet tooltips have been summarized during this pts. It went from x damage +18% for the twilight to simply x damage. I believe that those 18% were added to their tooltip, yet still do not actually add to their damage dealt.
Pets are also not affected by the light armor passive concentration and also not by destruction passives. Whether intended or not, I found it worth mentioning.

My familiar asked me add his photos as well.





Look how cute and eager he is to help me. You can't possibly deny any wish to this good boy.

Not sure, but maybe that bug is tied to the DMG type?
Both the birdy bird, and the familiar real Shock dmg right?

While your frag does magic dmg.

Can you try this with other types of dmg aswell?
Maybe wiit execute skill, which is also ST magick Dmg

StarOfElyon

Cinbri wrote: »

1. Rune Prison is still cleansable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9f-djERk6I

2. Breath of Life small heal is still ignore LoS:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/446863/breath-of-life-los-bug#latest

3. Cleansing Ritual still have bugged visual:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/446474/cleansing-ritual-visual-bug#latest

4. Radial Sweep still miss enemies in its range:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BKZYSxC7RA

YES! So many times I've lost a kill because my Crescent Sweep went right through the target. I thought it was just me!

Dracane

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Pets do not deal the damage their tooltip is indicating.
In order to prove this, I used critters who always have 0 resistances.

My Twilight's tooltip says 7340 damage.


However, her actual damage dealt is only 5810. That is 1530 damage less or roughly 21% less.


Now my crystal shard, with the exact same stats, has a tooltip of 15255


Using it against the same critter with 0 resistance, it deals exactly its tooltip damage, as expected.


The same goes for the Volatile Familiar and the Clannfear. They still have the same bug they have on live, where their tooltip is much higher than the actual damage they deal (which was partially because CP get applied to the tooltip, yet not their damage) This test was done without any additional buffs that could interfere with the tooltip.

Pet tooltips have been summarized during this pts. It went from x damage +18% for the twilight to simply x damage. I believe that those 18% were added to their tooltip, yet still do not actually add to their damage dealt.
Pets are also not affected by the light armor passive concentration and also not by destruction passives. Whether intended or not, I found it worth mentioning.

My familiar asked me add his photos as well.





Look how cute and eager he is to help me. You can't possibly deny any wish to this good boy.

Not sure, but maybe that bug is tied to the DMG type?
Both the birdy bird, and the familiar real Shock dmg right?

While your frag does magic dmg.

Can you try this with other types of dmg aswell?
Maybe wiit execute skill, which is also ST magick Dmg

@SaintSubwayy
Hm, I don't see why you would assume this. Yet, I went ahead to make sure, as it is an idea that I did not have.

With the exact same setup as before (I did not even leave the spot since earlier)
My mage's fury tooltip is 3957.


The hit damage is 3957 as well.


I also found flame reach to be a good example. As it's another element and also proves, that there is really no room for penetration that could fake this.

The tooltip says 5880.


The actual damage turned out as expected.


So the conclusion is, that all abilities work as intended, just not pets. While I already noticed in other tests that pets deal way less damage than expected and I couldn't explain why. I first thought this is because they do not get the light armor penetration and the 8% damage from fire staff. While this is true, the 8% damage from the staff does not even get applied to their tooltip.

So the solution was to use them against critters, to prove that penetration alone is not the issue.
This should be adjusted to actually resemble their tooltip, otherwise the tooltip change was for nothing and the confusion continues.

EDIT: Okay okay, someone wants to edit this again. O.O
The familiar wishes to remind you, that he is still here and that he nicely assisted me in everything and he wants to show off his special move.



His biggest wish, is that him and his sister can make use of their full potential.
They want to be as cool as their big brother, Zymel Ashal.
(Yes, I totally named my pets years ago.)

Minno

Dracane wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Pets do not deal the damage their tooltip is indicating.
In order to prove this, I used critters who always have 0 resistances.

My Twilight's tooltip says 7340 damage.


However, her actual damage dealt is only 5810. That is 1530 damage less or roughly 21% less.


Now my crystal shard, with the exact same stats, has a tooltip of 15255


Using it against the same critter with 0 resistance, it deals exactly its tooltip damage, as expected.


The same goes for the Volatile Familiar and the Clannfear. They still have the same bug they have on live, where their tooltip is much higher than the actual damage they deal (which was partially because CP get applied to the tooltip, yet not their damage) This test was done without any additional buffs that could interfere with the tooltip.

Pet tooltips have been summarized during this pts. It went from x damage +18% for the twilight to simply x damage. I believe that those 18% were added to their tooltip, yet still do not actually add to their damage dealt.
Pets are also not affected by the light armor passive concentration and also not by destruction passives. Whether intended or not, I found it worth mentioning.

My familiar asked me add his photos as well.





Look how cute and eager he is to help me. You can't possibly deny any wish to this good boy.

Not sure, but maybe that bug is tied to the DMG type?
Both the birdy bird, and the familiar real Shock dmg right?

While your frag does magic dmg.

Can you try this with other types of dmg aswell?
Maybe wiit execute skill, which is also ST magick Dmg

@SaintSubwayy
Hm, I don't see why you would assume this. Yet, I went ahead to make sure, as it is an idea that I did not have.

With the exact same setup as before (I did not even leave the spot since earlier)
My mage's fury tooltip is 3957.


The hit damage is 3957 as well.


I also found flame reach to be a good example. As it's another element and also proves, that there is really no room for penetration that could fake this.

The tooltip says 5880.


The actual damage turned out as expected.


So the conclusion is, that all abilities work as intended, just not pets. While I already noticed in other tests that pets deal way less damage than expected and I couldn't explain why. I first thought this is because they do not get the light armor penetration and the 8% damage from fire staff. While this is true, the 8% damage from the staff does not even get applied to their tooltip.

So the solution was to use them against critters, to prove that penetration alone is not the issue.
This should be adjusted to actually resemble their tooltip, otherwise the tooltip change was for nothing and the confusion continues.

EDIT: Okay okay, someone wants to edit this again. O.O
The familiar wishes to remind you, that he is still here and that he nicely assisted me in everything and he wants to show off his special move.



His biggest wish, is that him and his sister can make use of their full potential.
They want to be as cool as their big brother, Zymel Ashal.
(Yes, I totally named my pets years ago.)

To be fair, the pet has to slot a destro staff to retain destro staff properties. Have we tested completely naked toons and skill dmg?

Dracane

Minno wrote: »

To be fair, the pet has to slot a destro staff to retain destro staff properties. Have we tested completely naked toons and skill dmg?

I can't follow you. The pet has to slot a destruction staff ?
And no, thus far I have not done it naked, because it's not a scenario I will find myself in very often.

Minno

Dracane wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

To be fair, the pet has to slot a destro staff to retain destro staff properties. Have we tested completely naked toons and skill dmg?

I can't follow you. The pet has to slot a destruction staff ?
And no, thus far I have not done it naked, because it's not a scenario I will find myself in very often.

I think what I am saying is that the weapon line has a very distinct condition in order to get the 8% dmg buffs. It has to be:
- an AOE or direct dmg attack
- requires the destro staff to be equipped on your bar.

Since pets dont have bars or weapons, I can assume that whatever change they made to pets didnt account for this condition. Since pets can't slot a destro staff, it probably escaped the devs when they were coding this change to allow pets to achieve the same stats as you.

This is where testing naked comes into play. We will need to make sure no bonuses are making your stats better than the pet. I guess is that pets dont get weapon based stats (like sword adding to dmg or mace adding penetration) because they probably missed the coding to include them.

Dracane

@Minno
As requested though. I relieved myself from all my stuff and pet damage is still lower than what its tooltip says.





Well, not exactly her chocolate side, I will admit.

Minno

Dracane wrote: »

@Minno
As requested though. I relieved myself from all my stuff and pet damage is still lower than what its tooltip says.





Well, not exactly her chocolate side, I will admit.

interesting. overland mobs have 18200 armor, right? Based on the tooltip if your pet had no penetration they would have hit for 2375. But you are hitting for 2982. If we add minor vuln, with no pen, its still 2565 versus 2982. Maybe its your passive, the extra lighting; 2693 with minor vuln.

The other likely hood is that the pet's tooltip is bugged.

Dracane

Minno wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Minno
As requested though. I relieved myself from all my stuff and pet damage is still lower than what its tooltip says.





Well, not exactly her chocolate side, I will admit.

interesting. overland mobs have 18200 armor, right? Based on the tooltip if your pet had no penetration they would have hit for 2375. But you are hitting for 2982. If we add minor vuln, with no pen, its still 2565 versus 2982. Maybe its your passive, the extra lighting; 2693 with minor vuln.

The other likely hood is that the pet's tooltip is bugged.

As I have explained, critters do have 0 resistances. So nothing on the target's end can interfere with my results.
And yes, the shock passive does work with pet attacks. It is also added to their tooltip though. So that is consistent.

Trust me dear, there is literally no way that their tooltip is not bugged internally.

Minno

Dracane wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Minno
As requested though. I relieved myself from all my stuff and pet damage is still lower than what its tooltip says.





Well, not exactly her chocolate side, I will admit.

interesting. overland mobs have 18200 armor, right? Based on the tooltip if your pet had no penetration they would have hit for 2375. But you are hitting for 2982. If we add minor vuln, with no pen, its still 2565 versus 2982. Maybe its your passive, the extra lighting; 2693 with minor vuln.

The other likely hood is that the pet's tooltip is bugged.

As I have explained, critters do have 0 resistances. So nothing on the target's end can interfere with my results.
And yes, the shock passive does work with pet attacks. It is also added to their tooltip though. So that is consistent.

Trust me dear, there is literally no way that their tooltip is not bugged internally.

yea I agree. That tooltip is bugged.

Also, you get an awesome for covering up your toons underwear and a closeup of the pet's face. Just noticed lol.

Dracane

Minno wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Minno
As requested though. I relieved myself from all my stuff and pet damage is still lower than what its tooltip says.





Well, not exactly her chocolate side, I will admit.

interesting. overland mobs have 18200 armor, right? Based on the tooltip if your pet had no penetration they would have hit for 2375. But you are hitting for 2982. If we add minor vuln, with no pen, its still 2565 versus 2982. Maybe its your passive, the extra lighting; 2693 with minor vuln.

The other likely hood is that the pet's tooltip is bugged.

As I have explained, critters do have 0 resistances. So nothing on the target's end can interfere with my results.
And yes, the shock passive does work with pet attacks. It is also added to their tooltip though. So that is consistent.

Trust me dear, there is literally no way that their tooltip is not bugged internally.

yea I agree. That tooltip is bugged.

Also, you get an awesome for covering up your toons underwear and a closeup of the pet's face. Just noticed lol.

Oh thank you, kind of you.
Well this character is only a template, I am from EU and can not have my real character at the moment. Still, I try to recede myself a bit more from nudity.

Excaltic

Here is my collection of different skill bugs I would like to bring to your attention!

Night Blade skill - Cripple (and it's morphs)
BUG
- When casting this skill out of stealth using "Shadowy Disguise", the initial hit from this skill not not a guaranteed critical hit, as it should be.
- The projectile moves too slow in PvP and can be outrun by players

Night Blade skill - Dark Shade
BUG
- The summon teleports back to it's original summoning location after the target it is attacking dies
Skill change proposal:
- Make the summon time 40 seconds instead of 20, it takes at least 5~10 seconds to run to the target (half it's duration), because of the melee aspect, especially in PvP, making this skill near useless.
- Increase the DPS of it's attacks, which is really, really low for a melee "pet".

Restoration Staff skill - Mutagen
BUG
- The Mutagen heal when falling below 20% health is really bugged, it hardly ever works, while the mutagen is still active on the player and should be activated immediately when dropping below 20% HP.

Soul Magic - Soul Assault
BUG
- This ultimate takes 3.9 seconds to channel, and is uninterruptable by other players, but only for it's original (unmorphed) duration, 2,9 seconds. This means other players can interrupt this ultimate half-way while it's not finished casting (For example with Dragon Leap, etc).

Psijic Order skill - Channeled Acceleration
BUG
- When you cast this skill and get interrupted (knocked down, etc), there is a cooldown on the skill so you can't cast it again immediately when it is not fully casted because of the interrupt.
- When you accidentally press the skill again while normally casting it, it recasts the skill after the initial (fully succesful) cast a second time.
Skill change proposal:
- Make it uninterruptible while casting this buff + Put a cooldown of 3 seconds on the skill after a -fully- successful cast, preventing you from casting this buff accidentally twice in a row.

Night Blade skill - Grim Focus (and it's morphs)
Skill change proposal:
- Make it so that is has the same effect as Siphoning Strikes (Fully charged Heavy attacks restore twice the value)
==> Aka: Only 3 fully charged heavy attacks have the same result as 5 light attacks for charging it (Now 5 full heavy attacks are needed, which takes about the full buff duration to be cast, which is very impractical, if not impossible).

Recette

These Pets have whispered to me that they wish for their bugs to be fixed, so they can better aid their mother on her adventures. They were quite adamant about it.

And do tell, how could you deny those little darlings?

Dracane

Excaltic wrote: »

Soul Magic - Soul Assault
BUG
- This ultimate takes 3.9 seconds to channel, and is uninterruptable by other players, but only for it's original (unmorphed) duration, 2,9 seconds. This means other players can interrupt this ultimate half-way while it's not finished casting (For example with Dragon Leap, etc).

@Excaltic

We have tested this multiple times and can't reproduce this. I was immune to any CC, no matter at which moment of the channel.
Maybe you can go into more detail ?

bardx86

Mages wrath doesn't work. It cast but doesn't land on anything like 1/2 of the time. Its not being dodged. it just doest work.

Excaltic

Dracane wrote: »

Excaltic wrote: »

Soul Magic - Soul Assault
BUG
- This ultimate takes 3.9 seconds to channel, and is uninterruptable by other players, but only for it's original (unmorphed) duration, 2,9 seconds. This means other players can interrupt this ultimate half-way while it's not finished casting (For example with Dragon Leap, etc).

@Excaltic

We have tested this multiple times and can't reproduce this. I was immune to any CC, no matter at which moment of the channel.
Maybe you can go into more detail ?

It happens to me quite a lot in PvP, halfway my Soul Assault that I get Dragon Leaped or hit by Dawnbreaker of Smiting and I get interrupted after +/- 2 seconds. I also get knocked back then. I even had it that Soul Assault totally flips and it holds for 20 seconds to a corpse.

It's not all the time but it happens quite a lot, maybe it's because there were 2 stunner ulti's at the same time? Maybe it's the splash damage stun effect (When I am not the main target?) I'm not sure. But I do get interrupted, most of the time this happens when the fps drops below 10 fps with zergs of 60 vs 60 on Xbox One X.

Edit:
Just happened again in PvP, it seems that if you get interrupted by multiple interrupts / bash / knockbacks by 1 person (let's say 10 attacks / knockbacks / interrupts / etc in 1 second due to animation cancel cancer) the server can't handle it not interrupting and just gives in and cancels the ultimate cast.

BUG CONFIRMED

Mayrael

Fix shadow image! Its bugged for over 4 months already -___________________-!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tybqq1OY_iY&feature=youtu.be

https://youtu.be/BiRb80LiOA8

FatelessLava

The DK spiked Armor is broken as said earlier , looks like if you're imperial it heals too
https://youtu.be/eAruRItrot4