R.I.P Khajiit Stam builds

Aisle9

jircris11 wrote: »

Wish people would just stop caring about min/max and play what they love, it would make this game so much better.

What if I love to min-max ?

Jacozilla

Turelus wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Wish people would just stop caring about min/max and play what they love, it would make this game so much better.

It'll never happen in games because people enjoy min/max. I would just settle with people not throwing temper tantrums like toddlers every time something changes.

What we need is more min/max players who understand that play style comes with the caveat that things are going to change and go against you sometimes, so you need to change to keep up.

I have almost no issue with most of what you said - but one small part translates into a rather significant impact.

If I "need to change to keep up" - great, no problem. I'm not one of those that hate change for the sake it is change.

What I DO object to - strongly - is having to PAY real life money in order to 'keep up' as you say. 1 race change so far is what they are giving for entire account. If ZOS made it 1 per char, even if only for limited time like first couple weeks of release or whatever, I'd be fine - it would truly be as you said - just keep up with the change.

But when keeping up mandates a sizeable cost, per char, that you want to 'keep up' with...that's what I object to.

Kadoin

I'm guessing you were the type of Khajit to hold a bow drawn wearing camoflauge in a shady area...

Lord_Eomer

Khajit need improvements but has to be hybrid,

We need khajit as magicka dps and healers.

Happy for these changes.

Azyle1

Once again, for PVE there was only buffs for both stam and mag ( especially mag ). so for PVE purposes, there should be no complaining.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Khajiit gets buffed people complain (facepalm)

Kuramas9tails

Lore wise, Khajiits ARE hybrids.

As a magic character, I am pleased. Although my boyfriend who has ran a Stam Khajiit blade his entire time on ESO will NOT be happy.

evoniee

khajiit stamblade pvp still viable. nerfed a lil bit for troll king build.
for pvp it got nerfed for stam, buff for mag.

dark elf and khajiit are hybrid races now

kathandira

Please take this conversation to https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453551/upcoming-racial-balance-changes-for-update-21#latest

We don't need the entire General Sub Forum to be filled with this topic.

Ohhgrizyyy

Im just sad cause I wanted to build a Khajit gankblade and no race has damage from stealth anymore lmaoo...I wanted hatemail.

susmitds

Khajiit sustain passive on three resources is less than what bosmer passive gives on one resource. It is a small buff to blue food users but a significant nerf to purple max stam-max hp-stam reg drink users.

But compared to say all the new racials, Khajiit has the worst sustain amongst Redguard, Bosmer, Orc, even Altmer.

Going by how tri-stat works in ESO, using Bosmer 254 stam regen as a base, it should have been 127 stam regen, 127 mag regen and 148 health regen.

Alex_Lex

jircris11 wrote: »

Wish people would just stop caring about min/max and play what they love, it would make this game so much better.

It's hard not to care since I have 21 khajiit toons lvl50 and they become the last option both for stam and mag.

zaria

susmitds wrote: »

Khajiit sustain passive on three resources is less than what bosmer passive gives on one resource. It is a small buff to blue food users but a significant nerf to purple max stam-max hp-stam reg drink users.

But compared to say all the new racials, Khajiit has the worst sustain amongst Redguard, Bosmer, Orc, even Altmer.

Going by how tri-stat works in ESO, using Bosmer 254 stam regen as a base, it should have been 127 stam regen, 127 mag regen and 148 health regen.

Agree, and nobody care about health regen.
Khajiit and Dumer should get an small buff, doubling the regen would do it for Khajiit.
Both are hybrids and hybrids are not viable so you have to go stamina or magic.
Yes taking an hit for being able to do both is ok.

Thrain

well guys i like it because i was thinking about buying a new charslot for the necromancer but as i saw this changes....i realized that my kahjiit is my free charslot^^

ChunkyCat

Yeah. This is a gut punch to my playstyle.

I changed my Khajiit to a Redguard because of the vast improvement to sustain. BG is all I do, where sustain is king.

Was really hoping all this talk of racial passives would let me roll back to Khajiit, but.... nope.

Guess I’ll stick to Redguard. Might even try any of the other races.... except Khajiit.

StormChaser3000

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Kajiits better now for stealthy sniper gamestyle as Stamblades?
They have now even less detection radius and some extra Magicka stats that can be used for a couple extra casts of cloak when sneaking among enemies or retreating?

Or the loss of 10% damage when stealthed is too significant?

susmitds

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Kajiits are better now for stealthy sniper gamestyle as Stamblades?
They have now even less detection radius and some extra Magicka stats that can be used for a couple extra casts of cloak when sneaking among enemies or retreating?

Or the loss of 10% damage when stealthed is too significant?

PvPwise, 10% less damage on opening hit is pretty significant, as it crits anyways so Khajiit crit passive is not really doing anything. For a strictly ganker build, dunmer is better going to be better.

The stealth detection is overrated as you can't depend on it to save your life, so you will use Cloak anyways. Don't get me wrong though, catnipers will remain annoying as ever, but there are better choices.

Kadoin

zaria wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Khajiit sustain passive on three resources is less than what bosmer passive gives on one resource. It is a small buff to blue food users but a significant nerf to purple max stam-max hp-stam reg drink users.

But compared to say all the new racials, Khajiit has the worst sustain amongst Redguard, Bosmer, Orc, even Altmer.

Going by how tri-stat works in ESO, using Bosmer 254 stam regen as a base, it should have been 127 stam regen, 127 mag regen and 148 health regen.

Agree, and nobody care about health regen.
Khajiit and Dumer should get an small buff, doubling the regen would do it for Khajiit.
Both are hybrids and hybrids are not viable so you have to go stamina or magic.
Yes taking an hit for being able to do both is ok.

I don't know...all the changes might make them ultra-powerful in PvP at least! Right now they are already strong in PvP, but the race changes buff them even more...I wonder if anyone at ZOS bothered thinking about these changes from a hybrid perspective. Khajit and Dunmer aren't what I would even use for a hybrid.

zaria

Kadoin wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Khajiit sustain passive on three resources is less than what bosmer passive gives on one resource. It is a small buff to blue food users but a significant nerf to purple max stam-max hp-stam reg drink users.

But compared to say all the new racials, Khajiit has the worst sustain amongst Redguard, Bosmer, Orc, even Altmer.

Going by how tri-stat works in ESO, using Bosmer 254 stam regen as a base, it should have been 127 stam regen, 127 mag regen and 148 health regen.

Agree, and nobody care about health regen.
Khajiit and Dumer should get an small buff, doubling the regen would do it for Khajiit.
Both are hybrids and hybrids are not viable so you have to go stamina or magic.
Yes taking an hit for being able to do both is ok.

I don't know...all the changes might make them ultra-powerful in PvP at least! Right now they are already strong in PvP, but the race changes buff them even more...I wonder if anyone at ZOS bothered thinking about these changes from a hybrid perspective. Khajit and Dunmer aren't what I would even use for a hybrid.

Yes, note that Dumer and Khajiit have the option to switch between magic and stamina builds depending on class changes.
Might be an safe race for necromancer as it will get lots of changes down the line

Jaimeh

jircris11 wrote: »

Wish people would just stop caring about min/max and play what they love, it would make this game so much better.

You can play what you love for everything, except end-game DDs and competitive PvP. For those interested in participating in these things, min-maxing becomes important.

neverwalk

Download PTS next week and go check out the changes and have your say through FEEDBACK.

Edziu

Jaimeh wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Wish people would just stop caring about min/max and play what they love, it would make this game so much better.

You can play what you love for everything, except end-game DDs and competitive PvP. For those interested in participating in these things, min-maxing becomes important.

unfortunately you are right abour this competetive pvp

when I like playing something which got nerfed to much and trying to fight against something much better than my nerfed character ofc mostly I will lose if I dont have more skill than my opponent to fill this gap betwen weel doing class and nerfed class

and if I get to fight with somsone at even jsut same skill mostly I will lose because of my nerfed class which I dont want to drop - that is this thinking about not playing min/max while playing what you want

and then if I will just call it on forums as or my class is to weak or my opponent's class seems to strong, always I will get this flame to "GIT GUD" or change class and adapt because I was writing about someonthing with which I didnt won

most players will not look as something really is to weak or to strong - if you are playing on something weak whiel heaving skill and losing to someone on op build with same or even less skill - it is always to "GIT GUD" for you instead of understanding reality and defending something cheesy/op or "this is not tha bad" so no need buffs and you need l2p - where there is thing you need to drop this underwhelming class and roll to meta class...very sad

Jhalin

Azyle1 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@susmitds , actually, I've put some numbers into the racials thread (and was corrected afterwards), and it seems that flat 75 regen is a buff to sustain as long as build stays under ~1.27k base regen (before percentage buffs), which would mean that most imaginable PvE khajiit stamina builds just got a slight sustain improvement.

Now I would agree that on overall, changes are underwhelming, more so that meta didn't change - redguard got buffed even more.

I feel like redgaurd was kind of nerfed. 8% decrease of costs only counts for things like endless hail, rending slashes and poison injection, no?

@Azyle1
Even just going by those three in a rotation, and many stam dps run Deadly Cloak too if they dont have an inbuilt dmg aoe

Rending 216 less, Endless Hail 280 less, Poison Injection 194 less = 690 per 10s (Endless Hail refresh) not being spent
with Blade Cloak use (302 less) = 992 per 10s not being spent

even just that first option means 69 regen per second (138 per 2s), which is up a good chunk from 50 (100 per 2s)

Finviuswe

Sure.

I swear I will. This builds are done for, bro

jircris11

Turelus wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Wish people would just stop caring about min/max and play what they love, it would make this game so much better.

It'll never happen in games because people enjoy min/max. I would just settle with people not throwing temper tantrums like toddlers every time something changes.

What we need is more min/max players who understand that play style comes with the caveat that things are going to change and go against you sometimes, so you need to change to keep up.

Agreed, but we live in a world where "x killed me its op nerf now" is more common than actual helpful form posts lol.

jircris11

Qbiken wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Wish people would just stop caring about min/max and play what they love, it would make this game so much better.

Translation:
"I wish there wasn't an endgame meta or skill curve, why can't we all just roleplay in peace"

Actually I endgame. Made my own build and I dont min/max. Vet content is a joke one toy learn or. All min/max does is limit pols freedom for the sake of being "viable"

Hurbster

I made myself do bloody pvp for my stam kitty. Not changing him now.

Sevalaricgirl

susmitds wrote: »

Khajiit

• Increases Experience gain in Medium Armor Skill Line by 15%, 5% bonus change to successfully pickpocket → No changes
• Nimble: 20% Health Recovery and 10% Stamina Recovery → Robustness: Increases your Health Recovery by 100 and your Stamina and Magicka recovery by 75.
• Stealthy: Reduce detection radius by 3m and Increase damage from Stealth by 10% → Lunar Blessings: Increases your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina by 750.
• Carnage: Increase Weapon Critical Chance by 8% → Feline Ambush: Increases your Weapon and Spell Critical Chance by 8%. Reduces your detection radius in Stealth by 5m.

Seriously, what? Khajiits are suddenly supposed to be a hybrid race? This is a pretty massive nerf to Khajiit sustain in both PvE and PvP. Redguard, Bosmer, even orc sustain basically got a buff. If this goes lives, Khajiit would go pretty much behind every other "stamina" race. The Robustness trait is just the Invigorating trait glorified and we know how useful it is. It needs a pretty significant buff to compete with the other sustain passives.

Orcs, Dunmer, Redguard, Bosmer, Imperials maybe even Nords make better stam DPS races now. Also, if being a hybrid race is supposed to be the Khajiit's forte, dunmer will now do it much better.

Well thank goodness both of my khajiit are magicka.

LaurenIsAwkward

jircris11 wrote: »

Wish people would just stop caring about min/max and play what they love, it would make this game so much better.

y'know, I wish I could play what I enjoy but I hate being at a sustain or damage disadvantage just because of the race I've chosen.

Happy with the khajiit buffs for my stamblade and mag warden

Azyle1

Are people still thinking they we're nerfed in PVE?

They. Were. Buffed. (Slightly).