Chapter III: Elsweyr does contain less features than Morrowind or Summerset...

Rex-Umbra

Expected a lot more. Spellcrafting and massive change to Cyrodiil. Nope, i have wanted necromancer since launch but wanted new systems features etc to refresh the game as i leveled up my new necro.

XomRhoK

Seraphayel wrote: »

As it looks now, 2019 will be the year ESO got the least amount of new stuff or features overall, the only year we might have gotten less was 2014, ESO's launch year - is that how to celebrate your 5th anniversary?

I agree. It seems there is less content for the money in this year.
Yes, they take all hyped themes in this year: Elsweyr, Dragons, Necromancer, but in terms of quantity there is not that much.
- Elsweyr is just a zone where action take place so it must be anyway, and the size of the zone according to the screenshot from announcement video 2/3 the size of Summerset or Morrowind. Other part of Elsweyr will be later for separate price tag as Q4 DLC (most likely)
- Dragons is a hype, story (must be anyway) and dolmens 3.0 (semi-feature at maximum or even a must be anyway). And for those who told story arc will be bigger/longer this year, yes but it will be splitted at 4 peaces and each with separate price tag with overall sum around 100$.
- Necromancer is a class, this one is a major feature
- New battle ground map is not a new feature, it's a little refresh to existing content, in my opinion
- Artifact weapon in PvP, it's also a little refresh to existing content, in my opinion
- Separate Imperial City campaign is a attemt to fix lags in Cyrodiil and renimate population of IC. Not a feature, it's a correction of existing content
- Guild UI, Trader UI, Map/Quest UI it's not a feature at all, specially first two, it's a correction of bad implemented core features of the game. It's not even close to Housing and Outfit system, and those were free additions of Q1 DLCs. So not a feature.
- New houses. Are you seriously call it a Chapter feature?
- New big trial. Trial seems to be a standart Chapter feature, devs took away half of it ("big" part) in last chapter and now you ready to call big trial as new feature. So easy for devs.
- And for those who told there will be more, developers don't talk all to us and so on. Come on, they open preordering, so they give as all features that can stimulate you to buy chapter, so there will be no more features for a chapter. Yes will be E3 announcement, but all features that will be shown there will go for separate price (free as Q4 DLC feature at best), but this don't relates to Elsweyr chapter at all.

And we end with a new Necromancer class, hype themed story/zone and bug fixes/improvements, thats all. And if you play only as main character and don't want to level up new one it's only story for 40$ (part of the story actually, for full in game story you need to buy Q1 DLC)
So, in my opinion, this chapter lack some feature "for everyone", as jewelry crafting.

I like this game and hope it will be more and more interesting and successful, but return to the topic this chapter lack features for the buck.

zaria

Seraphayel wrote: »

matsuobasho wrote: »

Elsweyr will bring:

- A new map. Possibly bigger than Summerset.
- A new trial. Bigger than Cloudrest, since every boss will have its own unique Hard Mode.
- A new class. Better than a tiresome skill line.
- A new lore. Better than the boring Altmer entitlement.
- A new worldboss event type. Better than killing slimy sloads
- A new story. Longer than Summerset one since it will last a year.
- A new battleground map.
- A new separate campaign for IC.
- A new Cyrodiil artifact system.
- A new batch of houses.

Sorry. I agree. That's a pretty small Chapter.

It is because only two of your points are Chapter features. The rest isn't a major selling point, wasn't in Morrowind and wasn't in Summerset and won't be in Elsweyr. Maybe, maybe we can count the trial, too, but every Chapter offered a trial so nothing new here either.

Agree its a bit thin, granted its probably some minor stuff who has not been mentioned, we also get plenty of QoL stuff.

Still missing Khajiit tail chasing idle animation.

VerboseQuips

Turelus wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Ohh man Cyro would be awesome if it had dragons attacking people and keeps

Now I want this as well and am going to be super disappointed when it doesn't happen.

There's a Pocket Guide mentioning river dragons in Cyrodiil during Tiber Septim's regnum... So who knows... They might do it some day. :-)

Istreddify

matsuobasho wrote: »

- A new story. Longer than Summerset one since it will last a year.

I find it kinda amusing how they keep mentioning that, seeing how the Daedric Civil War thing (or however it was called) span two full Chapters and a DLC...

myskyrim26

Don't like it - don't play it.
I think that just a few features were announced, and ZOS have a lot of great things for us - we will dscover them during the whole year!

jircris11

Got to love uneducated people, this chapter will have quite a bit more then part chapters from what twitch showed.

Seraphayel

Please don't get me wrong, I love most of the QoL improvements, especially the guild trader UI and the changes to IC. Those changes still do not qualify for being a "feature" whatsoever, they're just improvements that should have been made years ago.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Don't like it - don't play it.
I think that just a few features were announced, and ZOS have a lot of great things for us - we will dscover them during the whole year!

They said the same last year and there was basically no exciting feature past Jewelrycrafting and Psijik Order (which both were advertised as the main selling points of the Chapter) in the whole year.

xxthir13enxx

Turelus wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Ohh man Cyro would be awesome if it had dragons attacking people and keeps

Now I want this as well and am going to be super disappointed when it doesn't happen.

Ooooh Daedric Weapon transforms carrier into a Dragon!!?!?!!!?!?!!!?lol

Dark_Lord_Kuro

There is 1 thing you sais im ok with
They should stop these patethic excuse of a dlc or at lest revert back to 1 dongeon pack a year
Eso+is now only worth 1 dlc since the chapter is not included and there is these 2 1 hour worth of content pack

XomRhoK

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I think that just a few features were announced, and ZOS have a lot of great things for us - we will dscover them during the whole year!

Sure they have (E3 announcement mentioned), but for separate price tag or at best as free feature (as Housing and Outfit systems were), but it don't have any connection to the this chapter and it's price.

In fact they sell hype this year, and less features, that not that bad for the game overall. Sadly that's not both.

Bladerunner1

Nobody mentioned the tiny magic cats wearing clothes as a feature. They're gonna be repairing your stuff while you sell them junk.

Seraphayel

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

Nobody mentioned the tiny magic cats wearing clothes as a feature. They're gonna be repairing your stuff while you sell them junk.

That makes 5000 Crowns please. Or more like 7500 this time.

Ertosi

Knootewoot wrote: »

And not to forget:

- Daedric weapons in PvP

...Something that only a portion of the player base is going to even see, and that far fewer will be on the fun end of. We're looking for real Features that affect every single player and character like introducing Battlegrounds and Player Housing of 2017 and the Outfitting System and Jewelrycrafting of 2018. The scope of effect just doesn't compare. Previous years' features had some real meat on them and this year the masses seem thrilled with only a few bones tossed their way.

Knootewoot wrote: »

- Massive new world events: Dragon Attacks

So they made this zone's dolmens a bit bigger. They made those of last year's chapter a bit wetter and it was neither a new feature nor much more interesting.

maboleth

XomRhoK wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I think that just a few features were announced, and ZOS have a lot of great things for us - we will dscover them during the whole year!

Sure they have (E3 announcement mentioned), but for separate price tag or at best as free feature (as Housing and Outfit systems were), but it don't have any connection to the this chapter and it's price.

In fact they sell hype this year, and less features, that not that bad for the game overall. Sadly that's not both.

Housing was NOT a free feature. I keep hearing that and it's a misleading marketing trick. It just paved the road for much bigger cash cows.

Yes, you can buy some houses with gold. You can craft some common items yourself, buy some rare purple items in the guild stores (for a lot of gold!), or roll your own. Technically, you can have some nice modest homes for free.

But that's where this story ends. EVERYTHING else, from DLC houses, special houses, all the little parts, thousands of furniture items, special animated items - are extremely high priced, cash only stuff. It's so outrageous that ONE house can cost 85-130 EUR or more, without providing anything extra. It's beyond ridiculous.

So no, apart from gambling boxes that are optional, I consider the housing in ESO the biggest ripoff of all. Houses should be part of the environment, setting, lore or role-play. They shouldn't be hidden behind the massive pay wall. And subscribers should have those store-only furniture items available for free.

MagicAndrej

Yeah you know jewellery crafting? Which is going to be free? Oh and battlegrounds which is accessible to everyone?

eso_nya

for me on the "everyone gets something" aspect, 2018 was very grim:
- q1: dungeons i didnt care for
- q2: chapter, had to pay extra
- q3: more dungeons i didnt care for
- q4: free (very good) dlc as a logon reward

dlc-wise it feels to me like i got exactly _nothing_ for my sub (craftbag still bae, i know). gonna be hard to top that.

Seraphayel

I mean I could live with Elsweyr being so sparse of features but they're going the lazy way again with two dungeon DLCs. Honestly this bothers me more than Elsweyr being full price while missing features.

Dungeon DLCs are the worst and shouldn't be even called DLCs at all. Next year we get one Chapter and three dungeon DLCs.

Aznarb

Heimpai wrote: »

Alaztor91 wrote: »

Unless ''Dragons'' is a completely new kind of feature and not just Dolmens 3.0 I'm afraid that you are 100% correct.

Dragons are a new playable race 😏

Ohh man Cyro would be awesome if it had dragons attacking people and keeps

That would be the better thing to bring me to PvP.
Dragon, I just love them so much..
And that why I wanna try necro for the Reaper Ult.. (but I'm lazy, dunno if i'm gonna xp one)

xaraan

I'm interested to see more on the chapter before I make any judgement on this, but I am worried this is the case. Really feels like since they are going with the triple threat of player requests: Dragons, Elswyr and Necromancy that people will be hyped for that and willing to overlook the rest.

Elswyr "looks" smaller than SS - like it's about the size of a normal zone from base game or a bit smaller, so already I'm a bit worried and hoping I'm just wrong from the bad look we got at the map on the stream. Some are saying it's bigger, so I'll be interested to get a better look. I will say, how the zone feels will be the telling factor, not how zos excuse makers measure map pixels.

We are getting Necromancers, which is more than the psijiic line, and same as Warden as for what it adds.

And so far I've seen nothing to equal what BGs or JC added (though I guess they think dropping an artifact in cyrodiil might be the addition - but that is just not to the scale of what BGs or JC added IMO. Just a good change, much like making IC it's own campaign. So no, the folks saying adding artifacts to PvP is equal to BGs or JC are way off base.

The trial is more HoF, Maw sized instead of mini, so that is bigger than what SS offfered us with CR.

Dragons are not something I'd count as a new feature, but it looks like it may just be the Elswyr version of anchors or geysers and then also trial bosses (and maybe a main quest boss or something) - so essentially just a new enemy type added to game like Sload. Not really a new "feature". Just a natural part of creating the zone and story.

So unless something else is being added they haven't covered yet, it does indeed feel a bit smaller when you look at all the combined features added together. Or, arguably, smaller than MW, but about the same as SS or close to it.

BUT, let's not forget MW was a first attempt at selling chapters, so we could also say they threw some extra work to make sure it went great. It does seems like Els is about equal to SS, even if both offer a little less than MW here or there. So it does seem, at least to me personally, that they are still offering enough value for the cost, but hopefully this is the minimum for what a chapter will be as time goes on and they maintain what they are able to do.

None of this focuses on quality though, which is a big factor as well. So if the zone, story, lore, trial, etc. all feel like they are better quality (Mirkmire felt really solid for a small DLC for example with what it added) - then that means a lot for value as well.

rynth

Seraphayel wrote: »

... but still costs as much as Morrowind did back at launch.

I mean how is this reasonable pricing?

Morrowind brought us two major features:

- New Class: Warden
- New PvP Mode: Battlegrounds

Summerset brought us one and a half new major features:

- New Skill line: Psijik Order
- New profession: Jewelrycrafting

Elsweyr will bring us one major feature:

- New Class: Necromancer


Every year since they introduced the "Chapter format" each Chapter was smaller and contained less features than the previous one. As much as I love the things they showed us about Necromancer (and Elsweyr!) it's just one new class. Besides that there is nothing gameplay-changing or worth mentioning. I do not count something like UI overhaul as a new feature, it's not. If we take this into account Morrowind and Summerset still would have offered a lot more.

The entire Elsweyr Chapter is advertised with NECROMANCER and DRAGONS (that are basically no feature, were Sloads a feature? No...). That's it. On top of that we get two dungeon DLCs this year - again - in Q1 and Q3 which is the most lazy approach to fill the quarterly DLCs with content.

Don't get me wrong, there is still the "JUICY E3 ANNOUNCEMENT" Rich was talking about and the Q4 DLC but besides that... is nothing. Elsweyr offers us a (beautiful) new zone, a brand new class and a lot of QOL fixes / updates (that cannot be regarded as features or selling points). That's it. What will we get next year? Just one skill line and nothing else?

Honestly, as much as I liked the "new content cadence" and their Chapter approach after Morrowind, up to now it has been a major disappointment when it comes to developing / evolving the game (besides just adding new zones / quests).

What's your opinion on that topic?

As it looks now, 2019 will be the year ESO got the least amount of new stuff or features overall, the only year we might have gotten less was 2014, ESO's launch year - is that how to celebrate your 5th anniversary?

I guess we didn't watch the same live twitter feed because the one I watched they said that they would have more features to Elsweyr at E3. You might want to think or even wait before passing judgement.

rynth

Seraphayel wrote: »

Ackadian wrote: »

People like you just love to comppain about everything, don't they? You forget all the FREE several quality of life changes and bonus things like the new battleground coming around the time of Elsweyr as well. But of course... No matter what they do, it will never be enough.

As you said, that are FREE quality of life changes. No features, no content. If bug fixing and trying to solve performance problems now is a thing that has to be advertised and additionally paid your bar for content or features is very low.

I complain where complaining is due and with Elsweyr it's the case, especially with that heavy price tag.

How can you complain when you don't have all the information on what is going into Elsweyr, you are just complaining for the sake of complaining with no information to back it up since not all information has been revealed.

Yuffie91

It was announced yesterday. Do you believe everything was revealed already? If you dislike the price wait for discount. Though you probably pre ordered it already and are throwing a fit over nothing

Seraphayel

rynth wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

... but still costs as much as Morrowind did back at launch.

I mean how is this reasonable pricing?

Morrowind brought us two major features:

- New Class: Warden
- New PvP Mode: Battlegrounds

Summerset brought us one and a half new major features:

- New Skill line: Psijik Order
- New profession: Jewelrycrafting

Elsweyr will bring us one major feature:

- New Class: Necromancer


Every year since they introduced the "Chapter format" each Chapter was smaller and contained less features than the previous one. As much as I love the things they showed us about Necromancer (and Elsweyr!) it's just one new class. Besides that there is nothing gameplay-changing or worth mentioning. I do not count something like UI overhaul as a new feature, it's not. If we take this into account Morrowind and Summerset still would have offered a lot more.

The entire Elsweyr Chapter is advertised with NECROMANCER and DRAGONS (that are basically no feature, were Sloads a feature? No...). That's it. On top of that we get two dungeon DLCs this year - again - in Q1 and Q3 which is the most lazy approach to fill the quarterly DLCs with content.

Don't get me wrong, there is still the "JUICY E3 ANNOUNCEMENT" Rich was talking about and the Q4 DLC but besides that... is nothing. Elsweyr offers us a (beautiful) new zone, a brand new class and a lot of QOL fixes / updates (that cannot be regarded as features or selling points). That's it. What will we get next year? Just one skill line and nothing else?

Honestly, as much as I liked the "new content cadence" and their Chapter approach after Morrowind, up to now it has been a major disappointment when it comes to developing / evolving the game (besides just adding new zones / quests).

What's your opinion on that topic?

As it looks now, 2019 will be the year ESO got the least amount of new stuff or features overall, the only year we might have gotten less was 2014, ESO's launch year - is that how to celebrate your 5th anniversary?

I guess we didn't watch the same live twitter feed because the one I watched they said that they would have more features to Elsweyr at E3. You might want to think or even wait before passing judgement.

This is pretty much impossible. Elsweyr releases one week before E3 so no, Elsweyr won't have any new or additional things announced at E3.

Yuffie91 wrote: »

It was announced yesterday. Do you believe everything was revealed already? If you dislike the price wait for discount. Though you probably pre ordered it already and are throwing a fit over nothing

Every major feature has been announced (not that difficult with Necromancer being the only major feature for Elsweyr).

They said the same things after their Summerset announcement "we haven't announced everything yet!" - guess what, it was marketing buzz.

Alaztor91

It's pretty safe to assume that everything that's coming with Elsweyr is listed in the crownstore detailing the normal vs collector edition differences, it worked that way for both Morrowind and Summerset.

I'm sure that ZOS will probably reveal additional information for Q3 and Q4 DLC at the E3, but just like Murkmire and Wolfhunter aren't considered part of the Summerset chapter, those 2 DLC are not considered part of Elsweyr.

Base game additions, bug fixes and general QoL stuff is nice and appreciated, but we also had those in the past years and they were also not part of a chapter, you could still have a house or retrait gear without owning Morrowind, you could still transmog your gear style without Summerset,etc.

Every chapter has a new zone, quests, trial, motifs, etc. The things that set Elsweyr apart are Necromancer and ''Dragons'', and if ''Dragons'' end up being just Dolmens 3.0 it would objectively be the weakest chapter content wise.

Djiku

Seraphayel wrote: »

... but still costs as much as Morrowind did back at launch.

I mean how is this reasonable pricing?

Morrowind brought us two major features:

- New Class: Warden
- New PvP Mode: Battlegrounds

Summerset brought us one and a half new major features:

- New Skill line: Psijik Order
- New profession: Jewelrycrafting

Elsweyr will bring us one major feature:

- New Class: Necromancer


Every year since they introduced the "Chapter format" each Chapter was smaller and contained less features than the previous one. As much as I love the things they showed us about Necromancer (and Elsweyr!) it's just one new class. Besides that there is nothing gameplay-changing or worth mentioning. I do not count something like UI overhaul as a new feature, it's not. If we take this into account Morrowind and Summerset still would have offered a lot more.

The entire Elsweyr Chapter is advertised with NECROMANCER and DRAGONS (that are basically no feature, were Sloads a feature? No...). That's it. On top of that we get two dungeon DLCs this year - again - in Q1 and Q3 which is the most lazy approach to fill the quarterly DLCs with content.

Don't get me wrong, there is still the "JUICY E3 ANNOUNCEMENT" Rich was talking about and the Q4 DLC but besides that... is nothing. Elsweyr offers us a (beautiful) new zone, a brand new class and a lot of QOL fixes / updates (that cannot be regarded as features or selling points). That's it. What will we get next year? Just one skill line and nothing else?

Honestly, as much as I liked the "new content cadence" and their Chapter approach after Morrowind, up to now it has been a major disappointment when it comes to developing / evolving the game (besides just adding new zones / quests).

What's your opinion on that topic?

As it looks now, 2019 will be the year ESO got the least amount of new stuff or features overall, the only year we might have gotten less was 2014, ESO's launch year - is that how to celebrate your 5th anniversary?

You are absolutely right in my opinion and I think everybody who is expecting that there is more new stuff coming because they haven't revealed everything, will be disappointed because I strongly believe there is nothing really major coming anymore.

KnightsMentor

I'd personally like to see an improvement to the animation system and more varieties of "personalities", but from what I got from the live stream I'm happy with.

Aznarb

Nwebie question since I'm not that old in this game :
If I got ESO+, do I still need to buy this chapter ? or Chapter are different from DLC ?

phairdon

Turelus wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

Ohh man Cyro would be awesome if it had dragons attacking people and keeps

Now I want this as well and am going to be super disappointed when it doesn't happen.

Haha Just picturing the worsening performance issues with dragon's flying around Cyrodiil

Davor

Seraphayel wrote: »

... but still costs as much as Morrowind did back at launch.

So you are saying that Zenimax Online is going to pull a Fallout 76? Charging full price for way less content? I don't believe so. No way Bethesda publishing can allow this again. They are not that stupid. Or I should say Zenimax Online is not that stupid to let Bethesda publishing do that.

And if this is indeed the case, then wait a year and this will all be free anyways with ESO+ or just don't buy it like the other 8 million who didn't buy Fallout 76. I for one will not be buying anything else for Fallout after what happened. Zenimax knows, people are not going to take it anymore. Those days are gone.