Taking own scroll to the enemy (Shor)

WeerW3ir

I will not name him/her by @name . but he should be feel ashamed on his/her bitching by taking the hardly taken elder scroll back to the enemy. a true traitor in everyones eye. its certenly punishable deed.

FilteredRiddle

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

JamieAubrey

Happens on Vivec also, dont worry about it

Alpheu5

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

bitels

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

I almost feel like it should be bannable offenses. Not perma ban, but like 3 days slap on the wrist one

Haashhtaag

bitels wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

I almost feel like it should be bannable offenses. Not perma ban, but like 3 days slap on the wrist one

Why?

ZonasArch

What server? What alliance were they? Still not name shaming.

bitels

Haashhtaag wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

I almost feel like it should be bannable offenses. Not perma ban, but like 3 days slap on the wrist one

Why?

Because you destroy whole purpose of capturing scrolls. It is dirty tactic used by idiots to buff their own alliance, without going to trouble of capturing the keep and then taking scroll on long route to your alliance safe territory.
Just grab a scroll, take it half the map to your buddies, and there is nothing your whole alliance can do about it.

Imho for a purpose of ban it should be viewed as "toxic behavior" or "exploiting"

dotme

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

That's not necessarily true. I've watched a DC player hop onto an EP character and help another DC player gap-close through both doors, into the keep, and take a DC scroll from an un-flagged EP back-keep. The DC player then allows themselves to be killed by the EP player, the EP player picks up the dropped scroll, and runs it all the way home to DC territory with impunity.

That's an exploit, and is most certainly against the rules. It was reported by many players along with video evidence. I still see these players in PvP. This is one of the reasons I don't play ESO as much any more.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

To summarize, if you are using abilities such as gap closers to do things that are not within the realm of intended design and/or bypassing core game mechanics, such as entering keeps without downing doors and/or walls and getting under the environment (ground, water, etc.), you are exploiting. In short: don’t do it. If we catch you exploiting and/or cheating, even once, it is grounds for disciplinary action up to and including a permanent ban of your game account.

Source: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278031/cyrodiil-cheating-exploiting-you/p1

Ertosi

bitels wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

I almost feel like it should be bannable offenses. Not perma ban, but like 3 days slap on the wrist one

Why?

Because you destroy whole purpose of capturing scrolls. It is dirty tactic used by idiots to buff their own alliance, without going to trouble of capturing the keep and then taking scroll on long route to your alliance safe territory.
Just grab a scroll, take it half the map to your buddies, and there is nothing your whole alliance can do about it.

Imho for a purpose of ban it should be viewed as "toxic behavior" or "exploiting"

This is without a doubt against the spirit of the game and falls under exploiting.

This is yet another good reason campaigns should be locked to a single alliance for an entire account. It wouldn't prevent this but would greatly reduce it.

It also would not be hard to add a vector check (direction) to scroll holders to ensure their overall direction is towards their alliance's holdings and not away.

dotme

Duplicate - Delete

OFFL1MIT

The reason why people are doing this is because to get rage reaction from others this is called troll. Best weapon against it - Keep it to your self, dont say anything, dont insult, dont ask why, DONT FEED THE TROLL. And at the end of the day, it's just a game, Im sure that u can get that scroll a 30mins later.

Ostacia

I'm newish to Cyrodiil but wouldn't it make sense to be faction-locked there? Pick a team and stay with it?

bitels

OFFL1MIT wrote: »

Im sure that u can get that scroll a 30mins later.

No, you cant. Process of getting scroll is smth that can take long hours or whole day, of coordinated effort. It is quite nice buff to stats and points, and becouse of that it was design as being hard to get.
So unless you are night caping, it will not take 30min

RaddlemanNumber7

ZonasArch wrote: »

What server? What alliance were they? Still not name shaming.

PC EU, if its the one I saw this afternoon. A yellow player took a scroll from Ash, newly captured from blue, and dropped it right next to Glademist which was held by blue with many blue players in attendance.

StormChaser3000

Ertosi wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

I almost feel like it should be bannable offenses. Not perma ban, but like 3 days slap on the wrist one

Why?

Because you destroy whole purpose of capturing scrolls. It is dirty tactic used by idiots to buff their own alliance, without going to trouble of capturing the keep and then taking scroll on long route to your alliance safe territory.
Just grab a scroll, take it half the map to your buddies, and there is nothing your whole alliance can do about it.

Imho for a purpose of ban it should be viewed as "toxic behavior" or "exploiting"

This is without a doubt against the spirit of the game and falls under exploiting.

This is yet another good reason campaigns should be locked to a single alliance for an entire account. It wouldn't prevent this but would greatly reduce it.

It also would not be hard to add a vector check (direction) to scroll holders to ensure their overall direction is towards their alliance's holdings and not away.

@Ertosi
But then what will happen with alts? If my main is high elf who already entered AD campaign, but then I want to play with my Nord who is EP... does it mean that when I port her to Cyro she will turn into AD?
This move will also kind of kill their crown store upgrade "any race, any alliance".

Or am I getting your idea wrong?

Girl_Number8

Team green and purple have been always alive, now they just don't bother hiding it. You must be new to PvP. The fun starts when you are fighting two fraction Zergs at once. Though in the end Zos says it is creative thinking. They made it war, so Idk the rules. I just keep to my own moral compass and enjoy playing.

Ertosi

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

I almost feel like it should be bannable offenses. Not perma ban, but like 3 days slap on the wrist one

Why?

Because you destroy whole purpose of capturing scrolls. It is dirty tactic used by idiots to buff their own alliance, without going to trouble of capturing the keep and then taking scroll on long route to your alliance safe territory.
Just grab a scroll, take it half the map to your buddies, and there is nothing your whole alliance can do about it.

Imho for a purpose of ban it should be viewed as "toxic behavior" or "exploiting"

This is without a doubt against the spirit of the game and falls under exploiting.

This is yet another good reason campaigns should be locked to a single alliance for an entire account. It wouldn't prevent this but would greatly reduce it.

It also would not be hard to add a vector check (direction) to scroll holders to ensure their overall direction is towards their alliance's holdings and not away.

@Ertosi
But then what will happen with alts? If my main is high elf who already entered AD campaign, but then I want to play with my Nord who is EP... does it mean that when I port her to Cyro she will turn into AD?
This move will also kind of kill their crown store upgrade "any race, any alliance".

Or am I getting your idea wrong?

Alts of other alliances could still play in other campaigns, but a single campaign should be account locked to one alliance for its entire duration. Doing so is the only way to remove the conflict of interest of a single player being able to play multiple sides of the same campaign.

The best way of doing so would be a minor rework of the Alliance War menu so that you don't sign up via character but rather by Alliance. For example, for the duration of a campaign you could sign up as Pact for Vivec, Dominion for Sotha Sil, and DC for Shor, or any other combination.

People love being able to flip sides at will, as things are set up now, but it's apparent that's too much freedom and too many are taking advantage of it with issues like this "insiding" scrolls and changing alliances just to join the winning team.

Acye

An elder scroll is also a great opportunity to get some good fights, so the guy who doesn´t bring the scroll insta back to the keep of his alliance doesn´t have to be a traitor

SilverPaws

Woah what a tragedy !

Tan9oSuccka

Yeah. This is BS for sure.

It happens in many campaigns.

I get more satisfaction knowing someone was so salty, childish and petty....they switched, leveled a character just to do that.

Unit117

It should be a permanent ban. You are screwing over thousands of players through a exploit

WitchyWarrior

They should have an option where friendly fire is available to use against a proven traitor. I mean, like people are saying, it's war.
Spies & traitors get the death penalty in war.

Mintaka5

This happens on Vivec often. It's got me flipping tables.

Draxys

It’s definitely a d-bag thing to do, but it’s not exploiting or against any TOS. According to the zos employee quoted above, an exploit bypasses game mechanics or is against intended design. Zos haven’t said returning scrolls to another faction is against intended design. If they do, sure- it’s bannable then. Until they say that, it’s just douch-ey

LeagueTroll

Campaign faction lock! How is this hard zos? I did a non biasrd pull already with 100+ votes about 70% favor campaign faction lock.

Jacozilla

Ertosi wrote: »

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

I almost feel like it should be bannable offenses. Not perma ban, but like 3 days slap on the wrist one

Why?

Because you destroy whole purpose of capturing scrolls. It is dirty tactic used by idiots to buff their own alliance, without going to trouble of capturing the keep and then taking scroll on long route to your alliance safe territory.
Just grab a scroll, take it half the map to your buddies, and there is nothing your whole alliance can do about it.

Imho for a purpose of ban it should be viewed as "toxic behavior" or "exploiting"

This is without a doubt against the spirit of the game and falls under exploiting.

This is yet another good reason campaigns should be locked to a single alliance for an entire account. It wouldn't prevent this but would greatly reduce it.

It also would not be hard to add a vector check (direction) to scroll holders to ensure their overall direction is towards their alliance's holdings and not away.

@Ertosi
But then what will happen with alts? If my main is high elf who already entered AD campaign, but then I want to play with my Nord who is EP... does it mean that when I port her to Cyro she will turn into AD?
This move will also kind of kill their crown store upgrade "any race, any alliance".

Or am I getting your idea wrong?

Alts of other alliances could still play in other campaigns, but a single campaign should be account locked to one alliance for its entire duration. Doing so is the only way to remove the conflict of interest of a single player being able to play multiple sides of the same campaign.

The best way of doing so would be a minor rework of the Alliance War menu so that you don't sign up via character but rather by Alliance. For example, for the duration of a campaign you could sign up as Pact for Vivec, Dominion for Sotha Sil, and DC for Shor, or any other combination.

People love being able to flip sides at will, as things are set up now, but it's apparent that's too much freedom and too many are taking advantage of it with issues like this "insiding" scrolls and changing alliances just to join the winning team.

So if you have more than 3 alts you are screwed? Sorry, no - incredibly bad idea. I get you are upset re: the issue, and I even agree the taking of own scroll is at the last cheesy and perhaps an exploit - but I draw the line at a few bad apples making a massive change justified that would prevent the large majority of my 15 chars from being able to play pvp when I want.

Some months I play a lot, some barely any - but I have the freedom to make that choice and what char of my 15 I decide to play that idea. Your idea would massively restrict my option of choice as well as a huge chunk of players for the sake of a few bad apples.

Punish the transgressors, not the rest of us normal players. You want them banned, fine, I'll support the idea in a poll. But heck no with restricting my freedom of choice.

Ertosi

Jacozilla wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

I almost feel like it should be bannable offenses. Not perma ban, but like 3 days slap on the wrist one

Why?

Because you destroy whole purpose of capturing scrolls. It is dirty tactic used by idiots to buff their own alliance, without going to trouble of capturing the keep and then taking scroll on long route to your alliance safe territory.
Just grab a scroll, take it half the map to your buddies, and there is nothing your whole alliance can do about it.

Imho for a purpose of ban it should be viewed as "toxic behavior" or "exploiting"

This is without a doubt against the spirit of the game and falls under exploiting.

This is yet another good reason campaigns should be locked to a single alliance for an entire account. It wouldn't prevent this but would greatly reduce it.

It also would not be hard to add a vector check (direction) to scroll holders to ensure their overall direction is towards their alliance's holdings and not away.

@Ertosi
But then what will happen with alts? If my main is high elf who already entered AD campaign, but then I want to play with my Nord who is EP... does it mean that when I port her to Cyro she will turn into AD?
This move will also kind of kill their crown store upgrade "any race, any alliance".

Or am I getting your idea wrong?

Alts of other alliances could still play in other campaigns, but a single campaign should be account locked to one alliance for its entire duration. Doing so is the only way to remove the conflict of interest of a single player being able to play multiple sides of the same campaign.

The best way of doing so would be a minor rework of the Alliance War menu so that you don't sign up via character but rather by Alliance. For example, for the duration of a campaign you could sign up as Pact for Vivec, Dominion for Sotha Sil, and DC for Shor, or any other combination.

People love being able to flip sides at will, as things are set up now, but it's apparent that's too much freedom and too many are taking advantage of it with issues like this "insiding" scrolls and changing alliances just to join the winning team.

So if you have more than 3 alts you are screwed? Sorry, no - incredibly bad idea.

Stated a perfectly working solution for all alts of all alliances, had you chosen to read what was said.

kojou

Uhm... How many of these players do you think have multiple accounts? Faction locked account doesn't do much.

If someone wants to be a *** then they will just be a ***...

Tagging a character as a traitor could be a fun mechanic though. Only if there is a way for that not to get abused though.

Maybe if there was a requirement for someone to be in a group of 4 or more in order to get the scroll and if they left the group or were kicked from it then they would drop the scroll.

Jacozilla

Ertosi wrote: »

Jacozilla wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

FilteredRiddle wrote: »

There are certain people who do this all the time. They’ve been reported multiple times, including video and screenshots, and nothing ever comes of it.

Because it's not against any rules.

I almost feel like it should be bannable offenses. Not perma ban, but like 3 days slap on the wrist one

Why?

Because you destroy whole purpose of capturing scrolls. It is dirty tactic used by idiots to buff their own alliance, without going to trouble of capturing the keep and then taking scroll on long route to your alliance safe territory.
Just grab a scroll, take it half the map to your buddies, and there is nothing your whole alliance can do about it.

Imho for a purpose of ban it should be viewed as "toxic behavior" or "exploiting"

This is without a doubt against the spirit of the game and falls under exploiting.

This is yet another good reason campaigns should be locked to a single alliance for an entire account. It wouldn't prevent this but would greatly reduce it.

It also would not be hard to add a vector check (direction) to scroll holders to ensure their overall direction is towards their alliance's holdings and not away.

@Ertosi
But then what will happen with alts? If my main is high elf who already entered AD campaign, but then I want to play with my Nord who is EP... does it mean that when I port her to Cyro she will turn into AD?
This move will also kind of kill their crown store upgrade "any race, any alliance".

Or am I getting your idea wrong?

Alts of other alliances could still play in other campaigns, but a single campaign should be account locked to one alliance for its entire duration. Doing so is the only way to remove the conflict of interest of a single player being able to play multiple sides of the same campaign.

The best way of doing so would be a minor rework of the Alliance War menu so that you don't sign up via character but rather by Alliance. For example, for the duration of a campaign you could sign up as Pact for Vivec, Dominion for Sotha Sil, and DC for Shor, or any other combination.

People love being able to flip sides at will, as things are set up now, but it's apparent that's too much freedom and too many are taking advantage of it with issues like this "insiding" scrolls and changing alliances just to join the winning team.

So if you have more than 3 alts you are screwed? Sorry, no - incredibly bad idea.

Stated a perfectly working solution for all alts of all alliances, had you chosen to read what was said.

I did read it. You apparently don't see or are pretending like there is no massive downside.

The proposed solution either massively restricts my choice to which chars I play OR forces me to turn my AD, DC, and EP chars into some generic 'quasi-AD or EP or DC char'.

You don't seem to get the concept that I like the faction concept and consider my chars as separate entities with their own faction identity. The proposed solution would either have me just not play 2/3 of my char roster (5 DC, 5 EP, and 5 AD chars) or force me to represent my EP and AD chars as "DC" for purposes of registering them per OP's plan.

To repeat - ALL this, massive inconvenience and change due to whatever number of bad apples are doing these shenanigans the OP talked about. You want to fix that? Punish the transgressors if indeed it is an exploit - I'm not clear whether it is but not taking firm stance it isnt. What I AM strongly opposed to is taking away my freedom of choice on what and how I play my faction characters with this draconian campaign lock plan.

Pink_E_808

I've seen someone in my faction take one from one of the AD temples and run it all the way up the map to their red friends. As frustrating as it is, there will always be someone playing both sides.
Welcome to war.

For the Queen!