No Necromancer Class for Elsweyr!

Ermiq

perogwin_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of people running around who say they know the lore, but don't actually bother to investigate it, because if they did they would realize just how little they actually know.

Necromancy

It is not against the lore at all for Necromancy, especially in Elsweyr

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Necromancy

Let me highlight a very specific point for you from Lore:

Elsweyr

Elsweyr is said to be relatively accommodating to necromancy. The Khajiit are said to show little if any outrage over uncovered graves, and corpses can apparently be purchased in the port of Senchal. Though corpses don't hold up well in the forests, the deserts of Elsweyr preserve corpses for centuries, allowing skilled necromancers to make use of them relatively easily. The way the bodies are buried in the deserts, under only a small cairn of stones, is also ideal for necromancers on the prowl for resources

So if they were going to add a Necromancer Class, Elsweyr is the best area for it to be added.

LOL

So, are you really trying to justify necromancy by the fact that necromancer could get a corpse relatively easy in Elsweyr? Just LOL.

Let's forget that Dunmers hate necromancy and necromancer couldn't freely do their dark magic in any of Morrowind lands.
Let's forget that necromancy is strictly forbidden in all Redguard lands so necromancer likely going to be immediately sliced to parts by a sword in Stros-M'kay, Alik'r and southern Bangkori.
Let's forget that necromancers are outlawed in all other Daggerfall Covenant lands during current anti-Bloodthorn campaign.
Let's forget that Bosmers are likely banish necromancer from Valenwood.
Let's forget that Psijics are forbid necromancy and necromancer couldn't get to Arteyum at all (or even entire Summerset could be unavailable for such people).
But hey! A necromancer - author of the "Preparing the bodies" book - said that Khajiits don't bury the corpses in deep graves! It means necromancy is okay in Tamriel!

Ultimate argumentation. I must admit you definitely know the lore better than me.

richo262

Eremith wrote: »

perogwin_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of people running around who say they know the lore, but don't actually bother to investigate it, because if they did they would realize just how little they actually know.

Necromancy

It is not against the lore at all for Necromancy, especially in Elsweyr

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Necromancy

Let me highlight a very specific point for you from Lore:

Elsweyr

Elsweyr is said to be relatively accommodating to necromancy. The Khajiit are said to show little if any outrage over uncovered graves, and corpses can apparently be purchased in the port of Senchal. Though corpses don't hold up well in the forests, the deserts of Elsweyr preserve corpses for centuries, allowing skilled necromancers to make use of them relatively easily. The way the bodies are buried in the deserts, under only a small cairn of stones, is also ideal for necromancers on the prowl for resources

So if they were going to add a Necromancer Class, Elsweyr is the best area for it to be added.

LOL

So, are you really trying to justify necromancy by the fact that necromancer could get a corpse relatively easy in Elsweyr? Just LOL.

Let's forget that Dunmers hate necromancy and necromancer couldn't freely do their dark magic in any of Morrowind lands.
Let's forget that necromancy is strictly forbidden in all Redguard lands so necromancer likely going to be immediately sliced to parts by a sword in Stros-M'kay, Alik'r and southern Bangkori.
Let's forget that necromancers are outlawed in all other Daggerfall Covenant lands during current anti-Bloodthorn campaign.
Let's forget that Bosmers are likely banish necromancer from Valenwood.
Let's forget that Psijics are forbid necromancy and necromancer couldn't get to Arteyum at all (or even entire Summerset could be unavailable for such people).
But hey! A necromancer - author of the "Preparing the bodies" book - said that Khajiits don't bury the corpses in deep graves! It means necromancy is okay in Tamriel!

Ultimate argumentation. I must admit you definitely know the lore better than me.

To be fair, none of my characters walk into a city with a neon light above their head declaring their class to the world.

Have not seen any dialogue talking about my class either.

Other than walking into a town with a horde of undead behind you, no NPC would even know you are a necro, or any other class.

Cardthief

Eremith wrote: »

perogwin_ESO wrote: »

There are a lot of people running around who say they know the lore, but don't actually bother to investigate it, because if they did they would realize just how little they actually know.

Necromancy

It is not against the lore at all for Necromancy, especially in Elsweyr

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Necromancy

Let me highlight a very specific point for you from Lore:

Elsweyr

Elsweyr is said to be relatively accommodating to necromancy. The Khajiit are said to show little if any outrage over uncovered graves, and corpses can apparently be purchased in the port of Senchal. Though corpses don't hold up well in the forests, the deserts of Elsweyr preserve corpses for centuries, allowing skilled necromancers to make use of them relatively easily. The way the bodies are buried in the deserts, under only a small cairn of stones, is also ideal for necromancers on the prowl for resources

So if they were going to add a Necromancer Class, Elsweyr is the best area for it to be added.

LOL

So, are you really trying to justify necromancy by the fact that necromancer could get a corpse relatively easy in Elsweyr? Just LOL.

Let's forget that Dunmers hate necromancy and necromancer couldn't freely do their dark magic in any of Morrowind lands.
Let's forget that necromancy is strictly forbidden in all Redguard lands so necromancer likely going to be immediately sliced to parts by a sword in Stros-M'kay, Alik'r and southern Bangkori.
Let's forget that necromancers are outlawed in all other Daggerfall Covenant lands during current anti-Bloodthorn campaign.
Let's forget that Bosmers are likely banish necromancer from Valenwood.
Let's forget that Psijics are forbid necromancy and necromancer couldn't get to Arteyum at all (or even entire Summerset could be unavailable for such people).
But hey! A necromancer - author of the "Preparing the bodies" book - said that Khajiits don't bury the corpses in deep graves! It means necromancy is okay in Tamriel!

Ultimate argumentation. I must admit you definitely know the lore better than me.

You seem to forget that despite this being an MMO, in a story-based context you would be the only Vestige around, and everything from joining forces with Meridia to joining the Psijic Order is you and you alone, no other players exist in a story context.

That being said, as with previous TES games, you as the protagonist usually get a free pass in the story; for example, in TES V: Skyrim you can be a Vampire Necromancer and Meridia doesn't care as long as you are helping her, in TES III: Morrowind you can perform necromancy (which is illegal for the most part in Dunmer lands) however since you are the MC you get a free pass.

Its not just ESO, all TES games the MC gets free passes because they are the "hero".

Cardthief

I also want to point out to those speaking about dragons being "lore-breaking", dragons never went extinct after the Dragon War, many dragons survived and went into hiding (which there are quite a few recorded accounts of specific named dragon sightings). As long as ZoS only adds a few dragons (such as a story/world/trial boss) and not a ton like elites or common enemies, then it should be completely fine.

We do not know what the story is even fully about yet, all we know is that Tharn is trying to end the Three Banners War, and somehow dragons are involved.

Necromancy, as of currently, is probably going to be the same as Warden, where the class holds no relevance to the actual story, its just something your new character specializes in (which as I stated in my previous comment, as with any TES game the MC or main character gets a free pass to those who do not accept necromancy because "heroes/MCs" in the TES series get free passes like that).

stimpy986b14_ESO

Based on the statement that Zos will be tapering DLC content over the course of the year, my guess is that the Necromancer class will be sold entirely separate from the Elsweyr expansion

Elsonso

Eremith wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Necromancers is the most requested class for a good reason, in particular because only few games ever allow you to play such a villainous archtype, and yet Elder Scrolls have always allowed for the option. For it to finally be implemented in ESO is truly awesome.

Really? You seem to not playing MMORPGs much. Necromancer is a pop class in MMORPGs. Almost any MMORPG I've ever played has this archtype.
And there's no surprise that ZO$ decided to make this cla$$ instead of any other.

Oddly enough, WoW lets you play as an Undead, but the closest they get to Necromancer is the unholy death knight. Unless something has changed.

Eremith wrote: »

Let's forget that Dunmers hate necromancy and necromancer couldn't freely do their dark magic in any of Morrowind lands.
Let's forget that necromancy is strictly forbidden in all Redguard lands so necromancer likely going to be immediately sliced to parts by a sword in Stros-M'kay, Alik'r and southern Bangkori.
Let's forget that necromancers are outlawed in all other Daggerfall Covenant lands during current anti-Bloodthorn campaign.
Let's forget that Bosmers are likely banish necromancer from Valenwood.
Let's forget that Psijics are forbid necromancy and necromancer couldn't get to Arteyum at all (or even entire Summerset could be unavailable for such people).

It would be cool if Necromancers were shunned in cities and towns, guilds, and stuff like that. Sadly, in ZOS Tamriel, I am sure they will be welcomed like old friends.

Ermiq

lordrichter wrote: »

Oddly enough, WoW lets you play as an Undead, but the closest they get to Necromancer is the unholy death knight. Unless something has changed.

WoW and ESO are not the only MMORPGs out there.
Everquest, Guild Wars, Rift, Age of Conan, Diablo 3 (not much a MMORPG, but...), Skyforge, Allods Online, and Lineage 2 along with dozens of other Korean MMORPGs out there.
Necromancer is a mainstream class in MMORPGs. The only MMORPGs that has no necromancer class I recall are Lord of the Rings Online and Neverwinter Online. Well, and WoW.

phairdon

MajBludd wrote: »

I agree, nerf sorcs

You're right, buff sorcs!

Bring on necromancy.

kind_hero

This is not a fan made Kickstarter project, it is a commercial game run by big gaming companies, so they are after getting a lot of players and making lots of money in the process.

The necromancer class is commercial, it will sell. Cat monks won't

I am not saying your post does not make sense, I agree with you, but you must understand what you are playing. Besides, all this is almost done, we will be testing necromancers soon, so none at ZOS will stop and redesign the next chapter after seeing your post

Thevampirenight

I am looking forward to necromancers, I would love to see an unarmed skilline or monk based abilties and maybe one day they will work on that. As for Dragons lore wise there is still several still around. Even along the timeline when Talos comes. Sure they are not numberless or as many as seen in skyrim but there is other dragons out there. Plus they could even be non native to Tamriel as I'm sure there might be dragons in the akaviri homelands. Could be one of the true reasons why they launched a second invasion. Or the Invasion that caused the formation of the Ebonheart Pact. So it will be interesting to see how this Dragon Storyline will play out. If some of their number are plotting something then it could be a big deal.

Given what I've seen some people post about. We might be seeing the return of Tharn and my personal guess on the storyline it will involve something like him attempting to recharge the amulet of kings and maybe attempting to become a dragonborn or he could seeking the remaining dragons out for this or some other purpose. As we don't know what happened to him after the main storyline other then he fled with the amulet and we know it would take some time for it to recharge and this could be something hes trying to do in order to achieve power himself we will see what happens. If the part about him returning is true he could be playing a key role in this storyline should be fun.

Elsonso

Eremith wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Oddly enough, WoW lets you play as an Undead, but the closest they get to Necromancer is the unholy death knight. Unless something has changed.

WoW and ESO are not the only MMORPGs out there.
Everquest, Guild Wars, Rift, Age of Conan, Diablo 3 (not much a MMORPG, but...), Skyforge, Allods Online, and Lineage 2 along with dozens of other Korean MMORPGs out there.
Necromancer is a mainstream class in MMORPGs. The only MMORPGs that has no necromancer class I recall are Lord of the Rings Online and Neverwinter Online. Well, and WoW.

Yet, it is interesting that the biggest MMO on the block does not have a Necromancer class. Instead, they allow players to play as an undead, and have a class that is a little bit necromancer.

The idea that mainstream MMO games should be the model does not hold sway with me. I don't really want ZOS to toss in features because "that is how it is done" in other MMO games. Mainstream or not. ESO should be its own game and not be striving to be a clone of a mythical mainstream MMO game. They made quite the successful game without puppy-dogging behind "mainstream". Stay on that path, I say.

As for a Necromancer class... The ESO classes are starting to get pretty generic. They are all Magic User classes, and the differences are comparatively subtle. It will be interesting to see how they fill out a Necromancer class to differentiate it from the others. My opinion is that the material they have to work with is pretty lean. They might have been better off going the more traditional TES route and making it a skill line. That way, they would not have to fill out a full class, and any character class could have had Necromancy.

@ZOS_RichLambert will fill in the details later today. Hopefully, he will answer a lot of these questions. I intend to watch it live.

KhajiitFelix

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Wardens had nothing to do with Vvardenfell (the Dunmer are probably the least nature loving people in Tamriel). The class and the zone are two separate, unrelated things.

But shalks and cliff racers?

Mettaricana

Need new class every odd year and new weapon line every even

Cross bows
Spears
Hands free magic
1h and spell
Conjure staff
Alter staff

generalmyrick

stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »

Based on the statement that Zos will be tapering DLC content over the course of the year, my guess is that the Necromancer class will be sold entirely separate from the Elsweyr expansion

Tapering? Whatcha mean?

Cpt_Teemo

templesus wrote: »

Y’all need to cut it out with all this Lore BS. It has no place in a game this big, especially when it’s an MMORPG. If you want lore go play those single player games.

Exactly, they killed the lore since day 1 by having guild stores of 500 people listing 30 items each and only 10 items on display in there shops

cyberjanet

Maybe a necromancy skill line - like the psijic skill line, or the vampire skill line, or the werewolf skill line - which you get from a non-class-based source? For example, a quest-line you follow where you have to learn to raise undead, for nefarious or patriotic purposes. Or you can join the Worm Cult, though I'm not sure I'd want to. Maybe a counter-Worm Cult that despises the evil nature of Worm Cult necromancy. Could be fun if you introduced restrictions like Redguards need not apply.

Due to my Guild Wars origins I would have to roll a necromancer if they introduced the class, and I already have too many characters. And there is no class-change token in the crown store. That's why I'd prefer a skill line.

JJBoomer

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Y’all need to cut it out with all this Lore BS. It has no place in a game this big, especially when it’s an MMORPG. If you want lore go play those single player games.

ZOS would disagree. As would Loremaster Lawrence.

Lore is central to every TES game, and especially ESO precisely because it is so big.

but with an MMOrpg, Lore can not dictate everything that happens or gets added. Otherwise it becomes stale. And dragons are a part of TES lore, and they are not extinct as of yet. And where Elswyer has never been explored, whose to say that there are no dragons there?

what needs to happen is people need to stop thinking that they know better than Bethesda/ZOS about their own game. no one like an armchair game developer.

And ZOS has clearly determined that Dragons fall into place with the lore to add them to the game. Why can't y'all just practice some radical acceptance and just take things as they come without judgement? You'd all be a lot happier.

Defilted

Necro will be fun to play in Cyro.

Ermiq

lordrichter wrote: »

Yet, it is interesting that the biggest MMO on the block does not have a Necromancer class. Instead, they allow players to play as an undead, and have a class that is a little bit necromancer.

As I see it, WoW, just like Lord of the Rings Online and Neverwinter Online, still cares a bit about its lore and immersive things. See, in these games necromancers are enemy. Just like in ESO. But the majority of ESO community seem to be a mainstream players who don't really care about all that "nerd stuff", and ZOS just sells them what they want.
Really, it's laughable to see a lot of "agree" and "insightful" under every post which justifies necromancer class, and it doesn't matter if the author of the post says something really stupid or have a lot of misconceptions. They just want necromancer, and they are ready to agree with everyone who wants the same.

lordrichter wrote: »

The idea that mainstream MMO games should be the model does not hold sway with me. I don't really want ZOS to toss in features because "that is how it is done" in other MMO games. Mainstream or not. ESO should be its own game and not be striving to be a clone of a mythical mainstream MMO game. They made quite the successful game without puppy-dogging behind "mainstream". Stay on that path, I say.

ESO is already turns into such game.

gepe87

If necro gives money then ZoS will add to the game. Who cares about plot holes.

Yuffie91

Do you expect them to be like "shoot this player says he doesnt want them..better scrap em!" If you dont like a class why not just..not play it?

mwo1480

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Monks? First time I heard of someone asking that to be a class.

same, thought most populair was bard class

xxthir13enxx

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