Class change token 2019!

Edziu

Universe wrote: »

Class change token was suggested thousands of times by now and the Developers are determined to not implement it.
I can understand their reasoning to not implement it.
Some of the major drawbacks from such a token:
A. Players will switch to the current "winning class" instead of keep playing on all classes and achieve overall balance(I can imagine thousands will switch to Nightblade/Warden).
B. Less players will roll new characters = less activity in the different zones and less money for ZOS to make from the crown store.
C. Players will know much less about their class since their playtime is basically 0.
A true learning process is to actually learn from mistakes and since they didn't play, no mistakes corrections = 0 skill.
D. It will not be fair to all those who have multiple characters with different classes they invested a lot of time to level.
E. A game that sells any kind of major artificial advancement makes it's own gameplay meaningless.

What's next after class change token ?
You will want 100 skyshard pack and 2X any monster helm set in the game, 10,000 crowns for Emperor achievement ? etc.
Let's not change this game to P2W.

A. no they wont if there would be long cooldown for it and high price
B. we currently have less players rolling different roles because lvling new alts is that horrible to make them into playable state
C. sorry but those players will never leanr good or fast enough their class....I leveld fast my stamdk where on dk I have never before played...this char still miss many key passives and Im able to reach 40k dps on this char with good gear and knowledge on class which I have never played before
D. yes it will be fair, thos eplayers just like or wwant to ahve that many alts..for some people it is enogh to play just single character at once instead of 10+ so we are bored to play single class nonstop while we dont want to create alts to play...we jsut want to play our main
E. it wont be that advancement, look at answer at A, it would be more for player to just play differnt class of thier main which they earned to many acheivs, progress in game and dont want to lose it by switchign their play to stupid alt....

Mojmir

adv char token in UO was awesome, btw its a classless system, success. learn from that Zo$. your already using some of their features. im sure Matt F. knows,he used to work for them.

HappyLittleTree

cmon just level a new one

RazielSR

Noctus wrote: »

if there will be such tokeny id say.

1 change per account and only once per year + huge cost in crowns. people shouldnt change their classes like their pants

This would be perfect. 1 class change token per account/year and could cost about 10k crowns.

Edziu

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

cmon just level a new one

yeah, and earn again every achiev which you get on your main, complete again 100% in opent world in basic game and dlc etc
just repeat it everything again on your alt
gl with that

Alienoutlaw

we dont need class change tokens, somethings your just going to have to work for, everytime something new comes along someone has a tantrum for a quick way round getting it.

idk

Nerouyn wrote: »

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

There is a reason why not a single mmo ever implented class change tokens.

I don't suppose you'd care to wager on the veracity of that claim? And big?

Just one example of an MMO which did exactly that is DCUO.

https://dcuniverseonline.fandom.com/wiki/Respec_Token:_Power_Type

Kaching!

VDoom1 wrote: »

For one it would take a lot of work. I'm no developer or such but I can imagine it would take a looooooot of work.

Your imagination ran wild there.

No seriously.

Your class is just a number in a database. Like every other detail about your character.

Adding a class change token would be as complicated as copy / pasting the code for the existing race change tokens, and changing the database field from race to class.

Much more time would be required for creating the new token's appearance and associated graphic in the crown store.

The reason they don't do it isn't technical. It's financial.

They want players to pay their way through the godawful grinds to get their new class character up to speed ASAP. The cost of that would be much greater than any price they could reasonably slap on a class change token.

Your imagination has run wild as well.

You make it sound like it is just one setting in the database, but in reality you do not know.

However, you are correct that this is a business decision, as I have already stated, but is not paying our way through a grind. If that was the case we could by sky shards, mage books and more. It has more to do that they make more overall per character via costumes, mounts and more. The only "grind" part that can be cut short is mount training. But that is less of a grind than it takes awhile.

Edziu

why ffs people are so ignorant, arrogant?
when we ask about class change token then they everyone think we want to change our character to current meta and they answer to jsut level new alt..

then we ask for more accountwide things like jsut acheivements lets say and again...they sai no, earn them again etc....
to many arrogant people here who or have fun of jsut mindless grinding and dont know normal endgame or people who have jsut to much fre time sitting in home 24/7

all we ask is that we want to play our mains at which we have earned everything and we dont want or dont have time to repeat it on every alt we want to play because of different class!

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RazielSR

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Completely agree. And more if you have tons of alts and you are playing this since beta days.

RazielSR

Thing is the vast majority of alts....once you have leveled all again...you are so burned that you just wanna leave the game for months.

White wabbit

RazielSR wrote: »

Thing is the vast majority of alts....once you have leveled all again...you are so burned that you just wanna leave the game for months.

A class change token isn't going to change that feeling

RazielSR

White wabbit wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

Thing is the vast majority of alts....once you have leveled all again...you are so burned that you just wanna leave the game for months.

A class change token isn't going to change that feeling

How so? To me yes.

I mean...get a leveled char and change your class.

Now,like when the Warden thing....make an alt and do the new content(because is the less burned you are gonna have)...and then continue leveling all again.

And then take your main completionist char and do the not so nee now content again.

White wabbit

RazielSR wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

Thing is the vast majority of alts....once you have leveled all again...you are so burned that you just wanna leave the game for months.

A class change token isn't going to change that feeling

How so? To me yes.

I mean...get a leveled char and change your class.

Now,like when the Warden thing....make an alt and do the new content(because is the less burned you are gonna have)...and then continue leveling all again.

And then take your main completionist char and do the not so nee now content again.

If just leveling one character is a enough to burn you out then you might need to address your life priorities, but this is all mute as with the many other threads on this subject zos have said No

EpicRekkoning

I can empathize with the op and I too really want to see a class change token. I have a lot of rl responsibilities, which means I only get an hour a day to play during the week and 2-3 hours max on the weekend. I, like the op, have a main character that I love to play and I want to accomplish all of the achievements on. However, after 4 years, I've played ever role with the class, stam/mag dps, healer and now tank, and with the exception of the tank, I'm bored with the other roles.

To get to many of the comments here, it's not hard to level a character to 50, I have 10 of them. The reason I cringe with the idea of a new class is I don't want to run skyshards, lore books (mages guild), fighters guild, psijic order, undaunted, assault, and support skill lines all over again so I can fully enjoy a new class. Don't get me wrong, I've been hoping for a Necro since launch, but the thought of doing all of these things again almost deters me from wanting to try the class (I'm on the fence). A new class without the option if a class change is at least a 1-2 month investment, and I don't know if I want to sacrifice my little gameplay for that (the sad reality is that I was super excited for the Warden class and made one, but I got so burned out trying to grind all of those skill that I put my Warden away and never came back).

I honestly don't see the push back with this. Yes, a class change token may allow people to switch classes when ZOS buffs/nerds certain classes, but I think that's good data for ZOS. They can see the cause and effect of their changes. There are mechanisms in game now to sell crowns, so people that don't have the finances to buy crowns for tokens can trade in game to gain crown.

Lastly, I'm not a game developer, so I don't know how difficult it is to do this, but the game already has a platform for it... vampire and werewolf skill lines. These are essentially sub classes. You pick one and level up skills. When you want tos witch, you cure, pick the other and level up skills. If you want to go back, you cure, go back to the first one, and the game remembers what skills you learned and skill ranks achieved. Now I now this would be a larger scale with classes and there would be the need for programming, but the platform is there.

This would be a positive quality of life change for the game. The game is so large and there are so many "must" have skill from non-class trees for end game, that starting a new class is a daunting task and can be a deterrent for many. Everyone would have the option to benefit from this change.

Daedric_NB_187

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

There is a reason why not a single mmo ever implented class change tokens.

Leveling tokens are far from beeing the same. I mean the vast majority of an mmo playtime is building your character, if you could skipp there would be next to nothing left to do.

Ummmmm.....DCUO? SWG? Might want to get your facts straight before you make baseless assumptions.

Blacksmoke

Or just spend 5/6 hours grinding a new char

Jeremy

VDoom1 wrote: »

This has already been rejected so many times.

For one it would take a lot of work. I'm no developer or such but I can imagine it would take a looooooot of work. I seriously doubt we will see a class change token before summer, or heck in 2019 at all. Maybe in 2020, maybe it's a future project. But in 2019? I highly doubt it.

I can understand why this is wanted, heck I wanted it. Instead I did it the hard way, delete, redo, change class. It's almost a certainty that some people want a Necromancer but don't want to make a new character. That is one reason class change token is wanted.

But just imagine for a moment in technical terms what that would mean. Yeah I can't even begin to understand the work and how difficult it would actually be. So don't nag. ZoS know we want it, patience is a virtue.

On the plus side I believe we will be given 1...or 3 (not sure) free extra character slots.

It wouldn't take much work. Just reset the skill points and change your character's class. It should piece of cake to program honestly. So I'm not sure why you think it would take so much work. Technically it would be a cinch to do.

Jeremy

Blacksmoke wrote: »

Or just spend 5/6 hours grinding a new char

That's only if levels is all you are interested in. For those of us who like to do all the quest lines and achievements creating a new character is something near to a nightmare.

Urvoth

Blacksmoke wrote: »

Or just spend 5/6 hours grinding a new char

Because those 5-6 hours of leveling are totally going to equate to the thousands of hours of content done on a main, right?

Strykerous

I love how they say “we are not interested in doing class change tokens” what about what we want as customers! It’s not about the developers interests 100% of the time, it’s also about the customers too. I agree with all those who are wanting a class change. But it gets back to the unfortunate reality that no matter who you do business with, it’s what they want to sell you, not what the customer wants to buy. Here’s an another example, i reallly wanted to buy the house in Gold Coast and that boat in summer set. They only have them available for 1 day and now you can’t even buy it as a customer weather your willing to pay the gold that you gained or with crowns. Point is that they want to make money the cheapest way with very little effort and while yes it will take them so far, eventually they will need to make the effort and therefore, will never make the class change token. They say it’s “complicated” which translates to it takes too much effort and we don’t want to give the customers what they want. Not producing what the customers want to buy will be this games ultimate downfall eventually. Also, it wouldn’t be so “complicated” if they cleared out bugs like the one affecting the vampire skill line that still needs to be fixed and stop nerfing classes as well as changing how the game is played to the point of customers having to relearn their characters.

White wabbit

Strykerous wrote: »

I love how they say “we are not interested in doing class change tokens” what about what we want as customers! It’s not about the developers interests 100% of the time, it’s also about the customers too. I agree with all those who are wanting a class change. But it gets back to the unfortunate reality that no matter who you do business with, it’s what they want to sell you, not what the customer wants to buy. Here’s an another example, i reallly wanted to buy the house in Gold Coast and that boat in summer set. They only have them available for 1 day and now you can’t even buy it as a customer weather your willing to pay the gold that you gained or with crowns. Point is that they want to make money the cheapest way with very little effort and while yes it will take them so far, eventually they will need to make the effort and therefore, will never make the class change token. They say it’s “complicated” which translates to it takes too much effort and we don’t want to give the customers what they want. Not producing what the customers want to buy will be this games ultimate downfall eventually. Also, it wouldn’t be so “complicated” if they cleared out bugs like the one affecting the vampire skill line that still needs to be fixed and stop nerfing classes as well as changing how the game is played to the point of customers having to relearn their characters.

Quote ! What about we want !
So you speak for the majority then do you , personally I think it's a small proportion that what's this

ForsakenSin

White wabbit wrote: »

Strykerous wrote: »

I love how they say “we are not interested in doing class change tokens” what about what we want as customers! It’s not about the developers interests 100% of the time, it’s also about the customers too. I agree with all those who are wanting a class change. But it gets back to the unfortunate reality that no matter who you do business with, it’s what they want to sell you, not what the customer wants to buy. Here’s an another example, i reallly wanted to buy the house in Gold Coast and that boat in summer set. They only have them available for 1 day and now you can’t even buy it as a customer weather your willing to pay the gold that you gained or with crowns. Point is that they want to make money the cheapest way with very little effort and while yes it will take them so far, eventually they will need to make the effort and therefore, will never make the class change token. They say it’s “complicated” which translates to it takes too much effort and we don’t want to give the customers what they want. Not producing what the customers want to buy will be this games ultimate downfall eventually. Also, it wouldn’t be so “complicated” if they cleared out bugs like the one affecting the vampire skill line that still needs to be fixed and stop nerfing classes as well as changing how the game is played to the point of customers having to relearn their characters.

Quote ! What about we want !
So you speak for the majority then do you , personally I think it's a small proportion that what's this

judging by this thread and also others .. i don't think so , its bigger then people who were asking for necromancer and yet now we got one.

Toc de Malsvi

I don't want a class change token really. Although I think this stems from discontent with so much time invested into specific classes to then see something you built your game identity around changed. Rather I would have tokens to have achievements, skyshards, guild progress, PVP rank, and mount speed shared to another character.

I have no issue leveling up a new character for each class. However it took me 5 years to get my primary character to its current state. One of the most annoying things about playing any of my alts is how underdeveloped they are in comparison to my primary character, even after max level, Flawless VMA, days spent in PVP, and questing half the world.

I don't think everything should necessarily be able to be bought with a token. However some things should really be account wide. Dungeon Achievements and PVP rank for instance should really be account wide, you could even have a marker for each detailing which character/class it was earned on and when it was earned. Just add some things to ease the burden of starting a new class to not feel like I need to replay 5 years worth of development every time.

LordTareq

Universe wrote: »

Class change token was suggested thousands of times by now and the Developers are determined to not implement it.
I can understand their reasoning to not implement it.
Some of the major drawbacks from such a token:

A. Players will switch to the current "winning class" instead of keep playing on all classes and achieve overall balance(I can imagine thousands will switch to Nightblade/Warden).

Maybe class change tokens aren't such a bad idea after all. There is no easier to kill class than poorly skilled/inexperienced NB's. I'd love to see thousands change their class to Nightblade only to spam the forums days later how they demand a free change back to their old class.

Edziu

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I don't want a class change token really. Although I think this stems from discontent with so much time invested into specific classes to then see something you built your game identity around changed. Rather I would have tokens to have achievements, skyshards, guild progress, PVP rank, and mount speed shared to another character.

I have no issue leveling up a new character for each class. However it took me 5 years to get my primary character to its current state. One of the most annoying things about playing any of my alts is how underdeveloped they are in comparison to my primary character, even after max level, Flawless VMA, days spent in PVP, and questing half the world.

I don't think everything should necessarily be able to be bought with a token. However some things should really be account wide. Dungeon Achievements and PVP rank for instance should really be account wide, you could even have a marker for each detailing which character/class it was earned on and when it was earned. Just add some things to ease the burden of starting a new class to not feel like I need to replay 5 years worth of development every time.

very THIS!

that why I hate playing alts and I was playing for over 3years before quit in ESO only on my mian, only on single character

and then it is going my no willings to level alts as I just dont want when I see everything which I earned once is nowhere, not hsowing enywhere only because I wanted to try to play other class after few years ehh

cmetzger93

They sell the stupidest stuff in the crown store that nobody wants like skyshards and things people actually want alliance/class change tokens. Nope.

White wabbit

ForsakenSin wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Strykerous wrote: »

I love how they say “we are not interested in doing class change tokens” what about what we want as customers! It’s not about the developers interests 100% of the time, it’s also about the customers too. I agree with all those who are wanting a class change. But it gets back to the unfortunate reality that no matter who you do business with, it’s what they want to sell you, not what the customer wants to buy. Here’s an another example, i reallly wanted to buy the house in Gold Coast and that boat in summer set. They only have them available for 1 day and now you can’t even buy it as a customer weather your willing to pay the gold that you gained or with crowns. Point is that they want to make money the cheapest way with very little effort and while yes it will take them so far, eventually they will need to make the effort and therefore, will never make the class change token. They say it’s “complicated” which translates to it takes too much effort and we don’t want to give the customers what they want. Not producing what the customers want to buy will be this games ultimate downfall eventually. Also, it wouldn’t be so “complicated” if they cleared out bugs like the one affecting the vampire skill line that still needs to be fixed and stop nerfing classes as well as changing how the game is played to the point of customers having to relearn their characters.

Quote ! What about we want !
So you speak for the majority then do you , personally I think it's a small proportion that what's this

judging by this thread and also others .. i don't think so , its bigger then people who were asking for necromancer and yet now we got one.

No as its the same people just asking over and over, but as zos said its something they have no plans to do I cant csbt understand why people keep asking. Just flogging a dead horse

Heromofo

RazielSR wrote: »

Thing is the vast majority of alts....once you have leveled all again...you are so burned that you just wanna leave the game for months.

I think this is the main discussion point i would consider above all else. I like the idea of class tokens and would consider this a good point for it.

Kombinator

Sarcasm warning.

What? NONONONONO! Think about it!

If this happens, then everyone becomes the same class, because that's the strongest. We would lose all diversity, because everyone plays the same. All healer would become Templar, all Tank would become DK, and so on. The hardcore min/maxers are the great majority of the players as we know, and they would all turn into the class, that fits their role best.

We don't need any change EVER. Just leave everything be, because the game is perfect! Also they could be more motivated to make the classes balanced, because of the dangers of everyone leaving a weak class/becoming a strong one, and as we know customer satisfaction, griding avoidance, and balance is bad!

labambao

Just that skilllines like undaunted, mages guild, psyjiic guild, skyshards, horse exp etc should be accountwide for free.