Class change token 2019!

Edziu

Kombinator wrote: »

Sarcasm warning.

What? NONONONONO! Think about it!

If this happens, then everyone becomes the same class, because that's the strongest. We would lose all diversity, because everyone plays the same. All healer would become Templar, all Tank would become DK, and so on. The hardcore min/maxers are the great majority of the players as we know, and they would all turn into the class, that fits their role best.

We don't need any change EVER. Just leave everything be, because the game is perfect! Also they could be more motivated to make the classes balanced, because of the dangers of everyone leaving a weak class/becoming a strong one, and as we know customer satisfaction, griding avoidance, and balance is bad!

and so? then ZOS would actually look at what is not good with game balance and they would give more interest into balance when we will see only 1 master rce for dps everywhere etc

but imo most people asking for this dont even care about meta like me....most people asking for this just hate this progress alt-unfriendly system because of what we hate playing our non-mains and we dont want to even try making/play alts at all

from me for example I damn stamnb main and you know what? when morrowind expansion was jsut release nb in overall got into meta and it is still in meta level.....for sake for good 2 years nopnstop (atleast stamnb) and I got sick of stamn after playing it since beta and with morrowind patch I quitted eso, then I come back after around 1 year and I still dosent play nb anymore so what is going with it? I stopped any progress on my main only because Im still sick of playing stamnb which is in meta and started playing stamplar which is far away from meta but guess what....I dont even care about rest progress of this character like my main becaus I wot get again those 30k achivs on my alt like on my main and I wont repeat literally every quest everywhere on any of my alts

if I could I would chance my main's class into any other than stupid nb in meta or to have atleast account shared achievs so I would have an point to progress this still on my alts when I dont want to play my main because of my main's class....

Hotel6

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Just make a new toon, you can get to level 50 in a few hours.

Try to completely level Undaunted in only a few hours. Go ahead and try, and tell me how it goes.

Undaunted skill line from 0-9 takes like 1 week if u do daily pledges. and all u have to do is complete 2 dungeons.

NeroBad

I have 25k+ achivment points, all motifs, hundreds of furnish recipies, all quests, many challanges, and even with this I have so much to do with my main. I will have a Necro, try it and leave it even if I enjoy its mechanic better then my main's.

Those who fear for meta changers says that the lucky ones should stay lucky for their early choice, the rest should stay in their place. Those who fear for early beast Necros beacuse of instant CP810 characters with hundreds of skill points, will meat them anyway within 2 weeks.

Make it time limited (once every DLC or something), and disable it for 1 month if a new class arrives, also have it for 5k Crown with this ZOS would gain a decent money, the ones wiht a significant main would be happy for some new gameplay experience, and those who says it would destroy the game balance would have few valid points.

NovaMarx

Kombinator wrote: »

Sarcasm warning.

What? NONONONONO! Think about it!

If this happens, then everyone becomes the same class, because that's the strongest. We would lose all diversity, because everyone plays the same. All healer would become Templar, all Tank would become DK, and so on. The hardcore min/maxers are the great majority of the players as we know, and they would all turn into the class, that fits their role best.

We don't need any change EVER. Just leave everything be, because the game is perfect! Also they could be more motivated to make the classes balanced, because of the dangers of everyone leaving a weak class/becoming a strong one, and as we know customer satisfaction, griding avoidance, and balance is bad!

I applaud your sarcasm, my friend!

I agree, there is no real reason (other than perhaps the technical) which warrant not implementing a class change token system. So far the most dominant argument people have against the idea is the argument "Just make a new toon, getting to lvl 50 is easy" - like that is even the issue here. Some people actually develop a fondness for the characters - and don't even get me started on how rolling a new "toon" affects the completionists out there *wipes sweat from brow*

Considering class skills are in the minority of available skill lines (Racial, Weapon, Armour, Guild, World, Alliance, Crafting), there is already a plethora of skill combos that can AND ARE made by players that hardly even use Class based skills. And anyone that is afraid of Class imbalances should maybe take a step back from the meta bubble they are living in, and consider how this could effect the rest of the community in a positive way.

Bring on Class Change I say!

Ectheliontnacil

Cries wrote: »

Just make a new toon, you can get to level 50 in a few hours.

If you had read the OP you would know, that this isn't what it's about.

White wabbit

But if people took the time to read the many threads on this subject they would find out that Zos don't have any intention of doing this , so the matter is mute really

Ozby

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

While I understand the hesitation of creating a new toon, other MMOs like WoW and EQ offer far worse grinds for new characters.

FFXIV is one of the most successful MMOs and they allow you to change class whenever you want. I really don't get the argument against having this feature in games.

Yes I agree, after all a happy player stays.

kratier

FFXIV does things ESO could only dream of

Goregrinder

You can already grind a new toon from 1-50 in less than a day.

Grandma

as someone who has hit cp 810 and cleared all the vtrials available besides vCR+3, I'm not super peeved about it. It'll be fun to relevel a new character I actually have interest in leveling, as well as making a healer and a dps, and playing them for the sake of playing them. I've been playing templar and sorc for 3+ years now, i'm looking forward to the leveling process again (i've leveled all classes but i didn't enjoy them all and some felt like chores)

Edziu

Goregrinder wrote: »

You can already grind a new toon from 1-50 in less than a day.

and how long you will need to get agian 30k+ achiev ,point because you wanted to play jsut different class than your main after few years?

Facefister

Double post...

Facefister

Because they are unable to code that in. If they could, they would.

Nic727

I want a class change token you buy from the store or you get one free for your first class change. ESO devs. are always adding new classes with major updates, so instead of creating and playing with 8 different characters, we would play with the number of character we want. Personally I play only with one character and I wish I could change from templar to warden.

Bouldercleave

kratier wrote: »

FFXIV does things ESO could only dream of

Including making everyone look like they are in a Japanese boy band.

January1171

My problem with no class change is that I've been playing too long on my main and gotten to many achievements to want to start over. Yet, my class is not optimized for a good portion of achievements (because when I created it I didn't know the details). I would love to complete all achievements, but it will be so much harder to do.
I feel like some version of account-wide achievements would make this game way more alt-friendly, reducing the need/desire for class change tokens.

Tl;dr: please give us either account-wide achievements or class change tokens, so class isn't a barrier to finishing all achievements.

Sergykid

i somehow don't agree with class token, what identity will classes have if they'll just be switched all the time. Account wide achievements and purchasable skill lines achivements just like they did with skyshards will be fine i suppose.

Cries wrote: »

Just make a new toon, you can get to level 50 in a few hours.

can we stop with this pathetic cheap of a statement? available for everyone on this forum together with all the trolls that agreed with this.

stating the obvious again: it's not about leveling. Skill lines, achievements, crafting; these take long. And you can't make level 50 in a few hours. You need every source type of bonus experience, gear and consumables, and someone strong and fast to carry you in Skyreach; things not everyone has access to.

Raudgrani

Yes please. I have at least one retired Nightblade, who's tired of living on wellfare. Career change now.

Davor

ForsakenSin wrote: »

I know im beating a dead horse but now we are getting necromancer i can beat a undead horse.

Bad joke aside i know what people will say regarding this, i understand the point behind it , so players will play a new class a content all over again and thus put more time into it.
and from biz point of view i understand it, more people longer playing looks better in numbers but there is number of people such as my self who have one main that they got the right name for it and spend hr upon hrs playing it ( me from 2016) and i don't want to loose that.

For me its kind of heartbreaking , do i say goodbye to my main and start playing a necro and not felling connected to it, or play my main and think about necro a class that i always wanted.

Please ZoS give us class change token make it 5k crowns and once in 6 months you can buy it or something like that. its a win win situation.

Please!

Well since that Breton Character seems to change his character why can't we? After all, was he really a necromancer in the beginning? So if he can change we should too.

Thealteregoroman

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

While I understand the hesitation of creating a new toon, other MMOs like WoW and EQ offer far worse grinds for new characters.

FFXIV is one of the most successful MMOs and they allow you to change class whenever you want. I really don't get the argument against having this feature in games.

Super frustrated they didn't go this route with classes...I made a new necro character and dropped 60 bucks on HORSE UPGRADES you can literally sprint faster than a horse. Never made a new character before... The player experience in making a "new" 2nd character is atrocious. Being able to switch to a class on the fly like FFXIV would have lent itself closer to a player experience like Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim in my opinion.

I am really hoping spell crafting comes to the game at some point. I still have high hopes because most of the stuff people cry for they eventually bring into the game...especially when they can monetize off of it, like skyshard packs.

honestly, I'm done with new classes. Hopefully, Necro is the last for a VERY long time and we do world skills OR spell crafting.

we need something that REALLY sets us apart from other MMOs on the market besides customization.

Cously

One or more of these are coming:

- Class Change
- Level Booster
- Account Wide Achievements

Just wait

Thealteregoroman

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Just make a new toon, you can get to level 50 in a few hours.

Psijic, Undaunted, Mages guild, Fighters guild, Skyshards, pvp ranks, skill lines, morphs, crafting research, mount, recipes, achievements. Does that take a few hours too?

@MaxJrFTW crickets.

Bouldercleave

Cously wrote: »

One or more of these are coming:

- Class Change
- Level Booster
- Account Wide Achievements

Just wait

That comes just prior to the mass exodus in my opinion. I know it will be my final days.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

What we really need at this point is an alliance change token...

Ashaerien

Heimpai wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Just make a new toon, you can get to level 50 in a few hours.

Making it to 50 isn’t the grind..the shard hunting/book collecting/running all dungeons and reaching the same pvp rank for similar skill points is the grind

May not be a big deal to you but some of us don’t feel like wasting our free time grinding the same repetitive stuff

Then don't switch characters.

Losing individual progression because you want to play something else is an annoying issue in a majority of MMOs. You just kind of have to deal with it and play the game. If everything on an account were easily swappable (classes) or everything was account-wide, it's a slippery slope to make things 'easier'.

EvilAutoTech

labambao wrote: »

We don't need no class change token
We don't need no new gameplay
We just need to our skyshards
And skillpoints, horse progression
And for sure the psyjic line
Hey! Zos! Make them accountwide

Could almost hear Roger Waters while I read that

Waffennacht

Tbf it was a good joke OP

Sarjako

Class change token when a class is ruined. Spend hundreds of hours on a character only to have it turned inside out and made practically useless. Tired of this ***.

Banana

I have money zos. Implement

idk

Tandor wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

While I understand the hesitation of creating a new toon, other MMOs like WoW and EQ offer far worse grinds for new characters.

FFXIV is one of the most successful MMOs and they allow you to change class whenever you want. I really don't get the argument against having this feature in games.

That's a somewhat disingenuous comparison. You make it sound like FFXIV is a single class MMO like ESO, but one in which you can change class. It isn't, it is a multi-class MMO that was designed from the outset to allow you to play all the classes on a single character. ESO was never designed that way and in my view the existing class structure should be maintained as it is integral to the whole game.

Not only would such a change result in a "FOTM" class that all competitive/group players would be under enormous pressure to follow, but ZOS would have a massive incentive constantly to change the balancing so that a different "FOTM" class would emerge each update in order for them to sell more class change tokens in the Crown Store.

Good points made here as to oversimplify distorts it. Further, another MMORPG what is by some standards has a success on part with the current FF allows players to play all roles with one class, though some classes to perform better than others in those roles.