Meta builds

Ayastigi

Tired of scanning the forums and seeing everybody cry about nerfs still. So I decided to hand out some of the most effective builds in the game at the moment. These setups aren't necessarily a problem for me but newbies and vets alike can throw them on and become lethal zergbusters with a little practice.

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Magplar- Same as above but you can swap out Necropotence with light fortified brass. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

A lot of people might come in to criticize these setups but trust these are the Meta that are being passed around high-end pvp guilds on most platforms. The thing is if you're trash at the game you'll still be trash after throwing these setups on. It's not about nerfs it's about practice. If you do take the time to practice with these setups you will be very formidable.

The secret to making medium perform over heavy is Blackrose DW paired with quick cloak on the back back bar as it gives you major protection/major evasion, and major expedition at the same time.

Pairing Thurvokun with ward of Cyrodiil gives you Minor defile, minor maim, major defile (make sure to put points into befoul and siphoning too) and 260 stam recovery try it out.

Remember though the best thing you can do is practice because a build will only do so much for you. So yea good luck out there!

Saphayla

Come on, lad.
Provide full names of the sets
Explain what makes them good
Pay attention to grammar
Perhaps these sets are meta, but the way they're presented in this thread, it feels like someone haphazardly put them together just to write the thread in a couple minutes. You claim they will work for beginners, but I wouldn't be surprised if beginners aren't familiar with half of the lingo you're using here.

Alpheu5

"Meta builds for beginners and experts."

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

Your definition and my definition of "beginners" must be very different.

Nairinhe

You know, build isn't only gear, but also CP, attributes and, most importantly, rotation/skills?
Or we will be so OP with these sets that LA will be enough?

Juhasow

Nairinhe wrote: »

You know, build isn't only gear, but also CP, attributes and, most importantly, rotation/skills?
Or we will be so OP with these sets that LA will be enough?

To be fair You can make setups where after using 1-2 skills pure light/heavy attack spam will be deadly especially in non CP.

oxygen_thief

are you sure this is meta? for what kind of pvp is it?

Juhasow

Ayastigi wrote: »

Tired of scanning the forums and seeing everybody cry about nerfs still. So I decided to hand out some of the most effective builds in the game at the moment. These setups aren't necessarily a problem for me but newbies and vets alike can throw them on and become lethal zergbusters with a little practice.

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Magplar- Same as above but you can swap out Necropotence with light fortified brass. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

A lot of people might come in to criticize these setups but trust these are the Meta that are being passed around high-end pvp guilds on most platforms. The thing is if you're trash at the game you'll still be trash after throwing these setups on. It's not about nerfs it's about practice. If you do take the time to practice with these setups you will be very formidable.

The secret to making medium perform over heavy is Blackrose DW paired with quick cloak on the back back bar as it gives you major protection/major evasion, and major expedition at the same time.

Pairing Thurvokun with ward of Cyrodiil gives you Minor defile, minor maim, major defile (make sure to put points into befoul and siphoning too) and 260 stam recovery try it out.

Remember though the best thing you can do is practice because a build will only do so much for you. So yea good luck out there!

Get real...

Saphayla

Juhasow wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

-snip-

Get real...

Please, for the love of all that is readable, don't you EVER quote a wall of text only to respond with a single sentence. And don't bother quoting the original post in the first place, since it's obvious that this is what you're responding to.

Nairinhe

Juhasow wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

You know, build isn't only gear, but also CP, attributes and, most importantly, rotation/skills?
Or we will be so OP with these sets that LA will be enough?

To be fair You can make setups where after using 1-2 skills pure light/heavy attack spam will be deadly especially in non CP.

But you still need those 1-2 skills?

Gnozo

Shadowrend on magden? Netch already procs Necro and the minor Main from it is only single target and wont help much in open world tho....

Also magplar are using Bright+Shackle and Skoria more then Necro and shadowrend. Also what is the point of shadowrend on magplar if running brass?

And no competetive stamden will use hundings. Lol.... meta....

Aurielle

LOL, I didn’t even realize I was using a meta build on my stamDK... I can attest to its effectiveness in BGs, though. I use an Asylum’s 2H on front bar, DW Cyrodiil’s Ward on backbar, and Fury/Bloodspawn. LEAPS FOR DAYS.

Trancestor

Nice dueling builds for the most part, even for duels tho there are better stuff.

Ayastigi

Saphayla wrote: »

Come on, lad.
Provide full names of the sets
Explain what makes them good
Pay attention to grammar
Perhaps these sets are meta, but the way they're presented in this thread, it feels like someone haphazardly put them together just to write the thread in a couple minutes. You claim they will work for beginners, but I wouldn't be surprised if beginners aren't familiar with half of the lingo you're using here.

It was haphazardly put together though. The beginners will figure out the lingo if they want to. Thanks for the input.

Ayastigi

Gnozo wrote: »

Shadowrend on magden? Netch already procs Necro and the minor Main from it is only single target and wont help much in open world tho....

Also magplar are using Bright+Shackle and Skoria more then Necro and shadowrend. Also what is the point of shadowrend on magplar if running brass?

And no competetive stamden will use hundings. Lol.... meta....

Know a lot of competitive stamdens that use hundings, it's an above-average set. Heavy hundings, bloodspawn, and fury was the go to for a lot of stamdens before the forward momentum nerf. Now medium hunding's is performing well paired with blackrose dw(1 sword, 1 dagger) gives it an impressive crit chance. Anyway thanks for your input. Shadowrend on Magden is great open world give it a try for yourself.

Saphayla

Ayastigi wrote: »

It was haphazardly put together though. The beginners will figure out the lingo if they want to. Thanks for the input.

Why, though? This kind of language is alright in game where you have limited space and formatting options, but here, where you have all the time in the world to write what you want and how you want, why put out crap?

Elsonso

Ayastigi wrote: »

Saphayla wrote: »

Come on, lad.
Provide full names of the sets
Explain what makes them good
Pay attention to grammar
Perhaps these sets are meta, but the way they're presented in this thread, it feels like someone haphazardly put them together just to write the thread in a couple minutes. You claim they will work for beginners, but I wouldn't be surprised if beginners aren't familiar with half of the lingo you're using here.

It was haphazardly put together though. The beginners will figure out the lingo if they want to. Thanks for the input.

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Ayastigi

Saphayla wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

It was haphazardly put together though. The beginners will figure out the lingo if they want to. Thanks for the input.

Why, though? This kind of language is alright in game where you have limited space and formatting options, but here, where you have all the time in the world to write what you want and how you want, why put out crap?

It bothers you more than it bothers me. You can rewrite it and format it how you like and then post it as a reply if you want. It make no difference to me.

MJallday

light fortified brass on a magplar? what are you trying to do - give it 9million resitance or something?

jesus.

spell strategist/sioria + vma staff. job done.

Saphayla

lordrichter wrote: »

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Exactly. "They will figure it out if they want to", but why would they want to do that? If something's aimed at beginners, it means that beginners, with their limited knowledge and skill, should still be able to follow it. If your thread requires that they do research and ask further questions just to understand what on earth you're talking about, it's really not aimed at beginners.

Gnozo

Ayastigi wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Shadowrend on magden? Netch already procs Necro and the minor Main from it is only single target and wont help much in open world tho....

Also magplar are using Bright+Shackle and Skoria more then Necro and shadowrend. Also what is the point of shadowrend on magplar if running brass?

And no competetive stamden will use hundings. Lol.... meta....

Know a lot of competitive stamdens that use hundings, it's an above-average set. Heavy hundings, bloodspawn, and fury was the go to for a lot of stamdens before the forward momentum nerf. Now medium hunding's is performing well paired with blackrose dw(1 sword, 1 dagger) gives it an impressive crit chance. Anyway thanks for your input. Shadowrend on Magden is great open world give it a try for yourself.

Pirate Skeleton/Bloodspawn with 7th and Fury was the way stamden were playing before the Speed and Forward Nerf. At least on PC EU.

I actually dont see any use of shadowrend besides proccing necro or get a high uptime on minor main in a duel. And since magden has netch to proc it there are better options for open world or outnumbered pvp.

Bloodspawn, Thurvokun, Pirate Skeleton and even Skoria are better Alternatives to shadowrend in open world.

Ayastigi

Saphayla wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Exactly. "They will figure it out if they want to", but why would they want to do that? If something's aimed at beginners, it means that beginners, with their limited knowledge and skill, should still be able to follow it. If your thread requires that they do research and ask further questions just to understand what on earth you're talking about, it's really not aimed at beginners.

Once again it bothers you more than it bothers me. You're arguing semantics and suggesting spoon feeding every detail which isn't something I plan on doing. We'll have to agree to disagree.Tossing people in the pool and telling them to swim is definitely what they need sometimes.

Saphayla

Ayastigi wrote: »

A lot of people might come in to criticize these setups but trust these are the Meta that are being passed around high-end pvp guilds on most platforms

To quote Cave Johnson: "[...] Our research data (responses to this thread) clearly shows - humans cannot be trusted."

Ayastigi

Gnozo wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Shadowrend on magden? Netch already procs Necro and the minor Main from it is only single target and wont help much in open world tho....

Also magplar are using Bright+Shackle and Skoria more then Necro and shadowrend. Also what is the point of shadowrend on magplar if running brass?

And no competetive stamden will use hundings. Lol.... meta....

Know a lot of competitive stamdens that use hundings, it's an above-average set. Heavy hundings, bloodspawn, and fury was the go to for a lot of stamdens before the forward momentum nerf. Now medium hunding's is performing well paired with blackrose dw(1 sword, 1 dagger) gives it an impressive crit chance. Anyway thanks for your input. Shadowrend on Magden is great open world give it a try for yourself.

Pirate Skeleton/Bloodspawn with 7th and Fury was the way stamden were playing before the Speed and Forward Nerf. At least on PC EU.

I actually dont see any use of shadowrend besides proccing necro or get a high uptime on minor main in a duel. And since magden has netch to proc it there are better options for open world or outnumbered pvp.

Bloodspawn, Thurvokun, Pirate Skeleton and even Skoria are better Alternatives to shadowrend in open world.

Agree that pirate skeleton is great open world. Shadowrend is more forgiving for beginners though.

Elsonso

Ayastigi wrote: »

Saphayla wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Exactly. "They will figure it out if they want to", but why would they want to do that? If something's aimed at beginners, it means that beginners, with their limited knowledge and skill, should still be able to follow it. If your thread requires that they do research and ask further questions just to understand what on earth you're talking about, it's really not aimed at beginners.

Once again it bothers you more than it bothers me. You're arguing semantics and suggesting spoon feeding every detail which isn't something I plan on doing. We'll have to agree to disagree.Tossing people in the pool and telling them to swim is definitely what they need sometimes.

The Dead-Water tribe tried that and look where it got them.

Aurielle

MJallday wrote: »

spell strategist/sioria + vma staff. job done.

... on a PVP build?

MJallday

Aurielle wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

spell strategist/sioria + vma staff. job done.

... on a PVP build?

oh i see PVP.... i guess maybe.... you'd be resistant as hell on a 1 to 1 basis - but your damage output would be relatively limited. evenntually a scummy bunch of reds would turn up and you'd get battered.

lob a zaans or possilby a skoria on it and it could be interesting

Ayastigi

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Saphayla wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Exactly. "They will figure it out if they want to", but why would they want to do that? If something's aimed at beginners, it means that beginners, with their limited knowledge and skill, should still be able to follow it. If your thread requires that they do research and ask further questions just to understand what on earth you're talking about, it's really not aimed at beginners.

Once again it bothers you more than it bothers me. You're arguing semantics and suggesting spoon feeding every detail which isn't something I plan on doing. We'll have to agree to disagree.Tossing people in the pool and telling them to swim is definitely what they need sometimes.

The Dead-Water tribe tried that and look where it got them.

You two seem to want beginners to have every step broken down for them. That is fine but I don't agree with it. People are smart enough to figure things out if they want to.

Gnozo

MJallday wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

spell strategist/sioria + vma staff. job done.

... on a PVP build?

oh i see PVP.... i guess maybe.... you'd be resistant as hell on a 1 to 1 basis - but your damage output would be relatively limited. evenntually a scummy bunch of reds would turn up and you'd get battered.

lob a zaans or possilby a skoria on it and it could be interesting

Resisteces are key in pvp otherwise you get melted before your honor of the dead gets casted. Bright and Brass with skoria offer good protection/sustain and damage.

TequilaFire

A true beginners setup would not have Monster or Undaunted dungeon sets as those are not available to them.
Better off running two 5 piece sets from overland or crafted sets as a beginner - pre CP160.

Aurielle

Gnozo wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

spell strategist/sioria + vma staff. job done.

... on a PVP build?

oh i see PVP.... i guess maybe.... you'd be resistant as hell on a 1 to 1 basis - but your damage output would be relatively limited. evenntually a scummy bunch of reds would turn up and you'd get battered.

lob a zaans or possilby a skoria on it and it could be interesting

Resisteces are key in pvp otherwise you get melted before your honor of the dead gets casted. Bright and Brass with skoria offer good protection/sustain and damage.

This. Also, it’s clear that the OP is referring to Cyrodiil (“zergbusting”). A high damage output build is ok for 1v1 ganking/no CP BGs (if you have a low MMR), but sustained fights are all about survivability, sustain, and numbers.

Elsonso

Ayastigi wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Saphayla wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Exactly. "They will figure it out if they want to", but why would they want to do that? If something's aimed at beginners, it means that beginners, with their limited knowledge and skill, should still be able to follow it. If your thread requires that they do research and ask further questions just to understand what on earth you're talking about, it's really not aimed at beginners.

Once again it bothers you more than it bothers me. You're arguing semantics and suggesting spoon feeding every detail which isn't something I plan on doing. We'll have to agree to disagree.Tossing people in the pool and telling them to swim is definitely what they need sometimes.

The Dead-Water tribe tried that and look where it got them.

You two seem to want beginners to have every step broken down for them. That is fine but I don't agree with it. People are smart enough to figure things out if they want to.

Well, the point is that if they have to do a bunch if research in the game before they can start using a guide that purports to be for "newbies", the guide isn't really much of a "newbie" guide anymore. It isn't about "spoon feeding every detail" as much as recognizing that they are on a journey to learn about the game, and a "newbie" or "beginner" guide is part of that. If you don't want to be a part of that, don't claim to be for "newbies".