Meta builds

Gnozo · December 2018

Beginner Builds arent this hard to get or craft. And a Lot of crafted sets getting also listed in guild stores for player who cant craft and dont have friends who can craft for them.

Beginner Magicka Builds could like like this:
Shacklebreaker + Bright Throats or Desert Rose on juwelry and Armor. And Willpower Weapons.

Beginner Stamina Builds:
Shacklebreaker + Bone Pirate with Agility Weapons.

Shacklebreaker can be crafted or bought from Guild Traders. Same like Desert Rose, Bright Throats and Willpower.

Ayastigi · December 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Saphayla wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Exactly. "They will figure it out if they want to", but why would they want to do that? If something's aimed at beginners, it means that beginners, with their limited knowledge and skill, should still be able to follow it. If your thread requires that they do research and ask further questions just to understand what on earth you're talking about, it's really not aimed at beginners.

Once again it bothers you more than it bothers me. You're arguing semantics and suggesting spoon feeding every detail which isn't something I plan on doing. We'll have to agree to disagree.Tossing people in the pool and telling them to swim is definitely what they need sometimes.

The Dead-Water tribe tried that and look where it got them.

You two seem to want beginners to have every step broken down for them. That is fine but I don't agree with it. People are smart enough to figure things out if they want to.

Well, the point is that if they have to do a bunch if research in the game before they can start using a guide that purports to be for "newbies", the guide isn't really much of a "newbie" guide anymore. It isn't about "spoon feeding every detail" as much as recognizing that they are on a journey to learn about the game, and a "newbie" or "beginner" guide is part of that. If you don't want to be a part of that, don't claim to be for "newbies".

So because they have to research something means it no longer applies to newbies? To me that logic cultivates laziness.

Jameliel · December 2018

Alpheu5 wrote: »

"Meta builds for beginners and experts."

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

Your definition and my definition of "beginners" must be very different.

Beat me to it lol

MyKillv2.0 · December 2018

Alpheu5 wrote: »

"Meta builds for beginners and experts."

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

Your definition and my definition of "beginners" must be very different.

Sorta like those Delita builds when OrcLand came out and he released, "vMA Builds" to clear vMA and he (and most other streamers) would include a vMA staff. In fact, I remember one streamer (who shall remain nameless due to their current employement status) actually stated, "if you do not have the vMA daggers, do not use this build".

Ayastigi · December 2018

Jameliel wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

"Meta builds for beginners and experts."

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

Your definition and my definition of "beginners" must be very different.

Beat me to it lol

Substitute Master's with willpower, do blackrose prison on normal, use bloodspawn instead of thurvokun and balorgh

Elsonso · December 2018

Ayastigi wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Saphayla wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Exactly. "They will figure it out if they want to", but why would they want to do that? If something's aimed at beginners, it means that beginners, with their limited knowledge and skill, should still be able to follow it. If your thread requires that they do research and ask further questions just to understand what on earth you're talking about, it's really not aimed at beginners.

Once again it bothers you more than it bothers me. You're arguing semantics and suggesting spoon feeding every detail which isn't something I plan on doing. We'll have to agree to disagree.Tossing people in the pool and telling them to swim is definitely what they need sometimes.

The Dead-Water tribe tried that and look where it got them.

You two seem to want beginners to have every step broken down for them. That is fine but I don't agree with it. People are smart enough to figure things out if they want to.

Well, the point is that if they have to do a bunch if research in the game before they can start using a guide that purports to be for "newbies", the guide isn't really much of a "newbie" guide anymore. It isn't about "spoon feeding every detail" as much as recognizing that they are on a journey to learn about the game, and a "newbie" or "beginner" guide is part of that. If you don't want to be a part of that, don't claim to be for "newbies".

So because they have to research something means it no longer applies to newbies? To me that logic cultivates laziness.

Quite the opposite, when you realize that the guide is the research.

Ayastigi · December 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Saphayla wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Exactly. "They will figure it out if they want to", but why would they want to do that? If something's aimed at beginners, it means that beginners, with their limited knowledge and skill, should still be able to follow it. If your thread requires that they do research and ask further questions just to understand what on earth you're talking about, it's really not aimed at beginners.

Once again it bothers you more than it bothers me. You're arguing semantics and suggesting spoon feeding every detail which isn't something I plan on doing. We'll have to agree to disagree.Tossing people in the pool and telling them to swim is definitely what they need sometimes.

The Dead-Water tribe tried that and look where it got them.

You two seem to want beginners to have every step broken down for them. That is fine but I don't agree with it. People are smart enough to figure things out if they want to.

Well, the point is that if they have to do a bunch if research in the game before they can start using a guide that purports to be for "newbies", the guide isn't really much of a "newbie" guide anymore. It isn't about "spoon feeding every detail" as much as recognizing that they are on a journey to learn about the game, and a "newbie" or "beginner" guide is part of that. If you don't want to be a part of that, don't claim to be for "newbies".

So because they have to research something means it no longer applies to newbies? To me that logic cultivates laziness.

Quite the opposite, when you realize that the guide is the research.

Disagree, research is a process not a thing. This guide is part of the process.

CompM4s · December 2018

I would leave out all arena/ trial/ vet dlc sets for beginners. Beginners will not realistically be able to get them. Listing decent craftable set combos like shaklebreaker, hundings etc.. would be more helpful for them.

Daedric_NB_187 · December 2018

Ayastigi wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

"Meta builds for beginners and experts."

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

Your definition and my definition of "beginners" must be very different.

Beat me to it lol

Substitute Master's with willpower, do blackrose prison on normal, use bloodspawn instead of thurvokun and balorgh

Aaannndddddd......how is a beginner supposed to know this?

Ayastigi · December 2018

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

"Meta builds for beginners and experts."

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

Your definition and my definition of "beginners" must be very different.

Beat me to it lol

Substitute Master's with willpower, do blackrose prison on normal, use bloodspawn instead of thurvokun and balorgh

Aaannndddddd......how is a beginner supposed to know this?

By reading this thread

UppGRAYxDD · December 2018

You forgot Zerg healer: reactive/transmutation backbar/ msa or master resto/earth gore...

Juhasow · December 2018

Saphayla wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

-snip-

Get real...

Please, for the love of all that is readable, don't you EVER quote a wall of text only to respond with a single sentence. And don't bother quoting the original post in the first place, since it's obvious that this is what you're responding to.

Get real...

...(You see I needed to quote You because otherwise You wouldnt know I am talking to You).

I could make even longer post and explain how out of context and farfetched most of OP post is but I dont see the point. Also are there any ToS rules for quoting or You just want to make them for Yourself ?

Juhasow · December 2018

Nairinhe wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

You know, build isn't only gear, but also CP, attributes and, most importantly, rotation/skills?
Or we will be so OP with these sets that LA will be enough?

To be fair You can make setups where after using 1-2 skills pure light/heavy attack spam will be deadly especially in non CP.

But you still need those 1-2 skills?

To be fair not that much. Also seriously this is Your argument ? It's no longer OP because You would have to optionally use 1-2 skills once in a while ? Get real.

Elsonso · December 2018

Ayastigi wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Saphayla wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

A lot of the people who do build advice seem to think that, and I am sure it turns off a lot of new players.

A lot of the people doing builds can't even be bothered to tell where to find a particular skill that is being morphed so that the beginning player knows where to invest skill points to get it.

Beginners have a lot to learn, and tossing them in the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim isn't the answer.

Exactly. "They will figure it out if they want to", but why would they want to do that? If something's aimed at beginners, it means that beginners, with their limited knowledge and skill, should still be able to follow it. If your thread requires that they do research and ask further questions just to understand what on earth you're talking about, it's really not aimed at beginners.

Once again it bothers you more than it bothers me. You're arguing semantics and suggesting spoon feeding every detail which isn't something I plan on doing. We'll have to agree to disagree.Tossing people in the pool and telling them to swim is definitely what they need sometimes.

The Dead-Water tribe tried that and look where it got them.

You two seem to want beginners to have every step broken down for them. That is fine but I don't agree with it. People are smart enough to figure things out if they want to.

Well, the point is that if they have to do a bunch if research in the game before they can start using a guide that purports to be for "newbies", the guide isn't really much of a "newbie" guide anymore. It isn't about "spoon feeding every detail" as much as recognizing that they are on a journey to learn about the game, and a "newbie" or "beginner" guide is part of that. If you don't want to be a part of that, don't claim to be for "newbies".

So because they have to research something means it no longer applies to newbies? To me that logic cultivates laziness.

Quite the opposite, when you realize that the guide is the research.

Disagree, research is a process not a thing. This guide is part of the process.

There ya go! You got it.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · December 2018

Saphayla wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

-snip-

Get real...

Please, for the love of all that is readable, don't you EVER quote a wall of text only to respond with a single sentence. And don't bother quoting the original post in the first place, since it's obvious that this is what you're responding to.

Censorship much? How about stop telling people how/what to write or don’t get all upset about it?

randomkeyhits · December 2018

for a beginner?

I'd say look at any two sets that emphasise your primary resource, choose effects based on your role so a damager, should look at things to improve damage. Don't worry about BIS or anything like that, learn how sets proc and get a feel for the different options. Then learn a bit about how enchants and traits can change things.

Try and get weapons to purple then gear and then finally jewellry but don't sweat on it, especially with the jewellry.

Focussing on the damagers, I'd also say initially forget two bars if possible, make sure you have a dot, a spammable, a finisher, a self buff and and debuff. Get used to dot, debuff, self buff and keeping them up, using the spammable and then finisher when appropriate with ulti to flavour.

Once you are happy with the basics, go to two bars and look at what the weapons for your role offer you.

Oh and don't stress over things and have fun, discovering things for yourself is an essential part of learning.

The reason for the above is talking meta builds for beginners is like looking at shoes on a snake. Trying to get new players into chasing meta builds, FOTM or any of that is a way for them to bounce off the game. Basics first, always.

Juhasow · December 2018

Ayastigi wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

"Meta builds for beginners and experts."

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

Your definition and my definition of "beginners" must be very different.

Beat me to it lol

Substitute Master's with willpower, do blackrose prison on normal, use bloodspawn instead of thurvokun and balorgh

You do realize that when You for example stop using master destro lot of other things have to change on Your bars ? Reach from spammable starts to be just occasionally used stun so You need replacement for it so You need to make skill bar changes to put 1 additional ability.

The Uninvited · December 2018

Where's the mag DK meta?

humpalicous · December 2018

This is one of the more useless threads out there right now.

elfantasmo · December 2018

When you read the title and think FFS why divulge info on a public forum, then you read the post and 😁

Ayastigi · December 2018

The Uninvited wrote: »

Where's the mag DK meta?

A mag dk from the EU server told me to try out desert rose, necro/shacklebreaker, and shadowrend/bloodspawn but haven't had a chance to give it a go, that was before murkmire though. He was using a necro 2h greatsword for forward momentum and was a handful in the duels we had. He said shackle, bloodspawn, and desert rose for open world and necro, shadowrend, desert rose for duels.

Ayastigi · December 2018

Saphayla wrote: »

Come on, lad.
Provide full names of the sets
Explain what makes them good
Pay attention to grammar
Perhaps these sets are meta, but the way they're presented in this thread, it feels like someone haphazardly put them together just to write the thread in a couple minutes. You claim they will work for beginners, but I wouldn't be surprised if beginners aren't familiar with half of the lingo you're using here.

what you said about grammar reminded me about something in the meditations of Marcus Aurelius...he learned "from Alexander the grammarian, to refrain from fault-finding, and not in a reproachful way to chide those who uttered any barbarous or solecistic or strange-sounding expression; but dexterously to introduce the very expression which ought to have been used, and in the way of answer or giving confirmation, or joining in an inquiry about the thing itself, not about the word, or by some other fit suggestion"..basically try to pay attention to what was said and not how people say things

geonsocal · December 2018

three lines from a lazy poet's poem:

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Tasear · December 2018

@Dottzgaming has to friendly builds on his website. Grumpy @Alcast (

) builds are always useful too. On a different talk the skill advisor is supposed to alleviate part of the issue you are talking about OP. >..> if nothing else go werewolf! Join the pack!

usmcjdking · December 2018

Alpheu5 wrote: »

"Meta builds for beginners and experts."

Magden- Lich, Necropotence, Shadowrend, Master's Lightning staff front bar. Argonian/Atmer

Stamplar- Bloodspawn/Trollking, Ward of Cyrodiil, Blackrose DW back bar and your choice of Med hundings front bar/ Fury front bar Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stamden- Bloodspawn, Heavy hunding's, and your choice of Spriggan's/Fury or Balorgh, hunding's, sprigs with dw wep Nord/Orc/Redguard

Stam Dk Thurvokun/Bloodspawn, ward of cyrodiil, and fury or swamp raider or hulking Redguard/Orc

Mag Sorc, Shadowrend/Bloodspawn, Light fortified brass, Necro or front bar willpower/master's staff back bar blackrose resto Atmer/Breton

Your definition and my definition of "beginners" must be very different.

Literally the first thing that went through my head.

BUILD FOR NOOBS
Step 1: Beat Fang Lair.
Step 2: Beat VDSA.
Step 3: Still somehow be trash noob after all this.

Aebaradath · December 2018

geonsocal wrote: »

three lines from a lazy poet's poem:

_____________________
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Sick bars.

Mr_Walker · December 2018

Are they any good paired with beginners vMA weps?

FrancisCrawford · December 2018

MJallday wrote: »

light fortified brass on a magplar? what are you trying to do - give it 9million resitance or something?

jesus.

spell strategist/sioria + vma staff. job done.

I think these are meant to be PvP builds.

Saphayla · December 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

Get real...

...(You see I needed to quote You because otherwise You wouldnt know I am talking to You).

I could make even longer post and explain how out of context and farfetched most of OP post is but I dont see the point. Also are there any ToS rules for quoting or You just want to make them for Yourself ?

No no, quoting a comment (especially one that was said quite some time ago) is perfectly fine, as is quoting an excerpt from the original post. But if you're responding to the original post then there's no need for quotes as it's obvious that, unless you quote someone, you're responding to the OP, and it is my pet peeve that I see on forums, where people quote a giant wall of text only to respond with a single line. It just makes the whole thing look like a mess that could've been easily avoided.

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Censorship much? How about stop telling people how/what to write or don’t get all upset about it?

Censorship? Censorship is preventing someone from speaking their mind because you don't like what they've got to say. I never complained about what this guy said, only how he presented it. It's like telling someone who's talking while eating to finish eating before they start talking.

Ayastigi wrote: »

basically try to pay attention to what was said and not how people say things

Saphayla wrote: »

Perhaps these sets are meta, but the way they're presented in this thread, it feels like someone haphazardly put them together just to write the thread in a couple minutes.

I never said that what you're talking about is wrong or that it is wrong because I don't like the way you presented it. I only pointed out that the way you present something does influence how people perceive it.

"Refrain from fault-finding, and not in a reproachful way to chide those who uttered any barbarous or solecistic or strange-sounding expression" - This sounds to me like it's basically saying "Don't attempt ad-hominem attacks. Even if you don't like what they're saying, try to listen to what they have to say instead of finding ways to discredit them and circumventing their arguments."
And as for the whole "it doesn't matter how it's said, only what is said" thing, I'll simply have to disagree. The way something is presented is the very basis of success in commercialized world. Not saying that substance is unimportant, but by presenting it more professionally you'll entice more people to look at your work and draw meaningful conclusions from it.

Dottzgaming · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

@Dottzgaming has to friendly builds on his website. Grumpy @Alcast ( ) builds are always useful too. On a different talk the skill advisor is supposed to alleviate part of the issue you are talking about OP. >..> if nothing else go werewolf! Join the pack!

Hey that's me

Thanks for the recommendation Tasear!

But yes the website has a variety of pvp builds - useful to beginners and veterans alike. Some builds will recommend Master's/Maelstrom gear, but you can always just replace that piece with the 5 piece that's being subbed out.

We also have a ton of pve builds if you need some!

PvP Builds Link: https://dottzgaming.com/eso-builds/pvp-builds/

Also, many people were saying "beginner builds shouldnt include monster sets", and i disagree personally. Imo, you shouldnt even be trying to assemble a "build" until your at least CP 160 anyway (cuz gear cap), and at that point, you can dump all the keys you collected from 45-CP160 into undaunted chests, get a bunch of shoulders, and start collecting monster sets you need from vet dungeons. Pre-CP160, you can throw on 2x gear sets that relate to your build (mag/stam) and either Willpower/Agility and do okay.