Eso, Gambling And You

Bruccius

Digiman wrote: »

@MilwaukeeScott

600 gems can amount to over $100, you think its fair for others to pay more or less for a stupid mount that isn't going to last 2 years given ZoS track record with this game?

Let me ask you this? Will you continue to pay for something if you keep being ripped off... Go ahead tell me how silly it is for a company to alienate its customer base and lose everything? Including you when they shut this game down!

''Will you continue to pay for something if you keep being ripped off''
Nope. And that's exactly why we have the ability to say ''Nope. Won't pay 600 Crowns for this.''

We call it ''self control'', you should give it a shot, you might like it.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Digiman wrote: »

@MilwaukeeScott

600 gems can amount to over $100, you think its fair for others to pay more or less for a stupid mount that isn't going to last 2 years given ZoS track record with this game?

Let me ask you this? Will you continue to pay for something if you keep being ripped off... Go ahead tell me how silly it is for a company to alienate its customer base and lose everything? Including you when they shut this game down!

Well that’s going to suck for me and the people who payed money for a physical copy/disc of ESO

Waffennacht

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

Seriously dude, just stop.

No, it's relevant. Gambling is an addiction and a dangerous one that ruins life, as do drugs. He's saying he was a professional gambler once and sees no issues with gambling, and that statement can be universally applied to anything. But as they are anecdotal experiences and don't even go into the actual consequences or facts about it, it has no real validity.

I just posted my opinion. I feel all opinions should at least be represented /shrug

Just a few facts:
I was/am addicted to making money , not the rush of gambling - it's the rush of the potential win/loss people have trouble with; not the act itself. When I won; I always walked away.

I made more money in cards than any other profession; quitting was due to location (I moved) not success or failure.

It's mathematical; you will always win in the long run if you do it correctly.

+ Applying the same methods used in poker to crates would mean it's almost never a bet to make. I look at rewards wanted, chances of winning, cost to "win" etc and the odds are almost never there (sometimes there is, and that's why I have some nice stuff)

You're also correct in as much as it's just like drugs, if you have control, discipline, and moderation you can have both and be very successful. (I live in the US, in a state with legalized recreational materials and we do just fine)

Emathides

Great post, OP.

I'm an adult and I want to play adult games that have not been 'disneyfied' because of the 'think of the children' crowd. This is why i chose ESO.

Any complaints made that refer to children are null and void as this is an 18+ game. Adults want some adult fun too.

Delsanab14_ESO

Emathides wrote: »

Great post, OP.

I'm an adult and I want to play adult games that have not been 'disneyfied' because of the 'think of the children' crowd. This is why i chose ESO.

Any complaints made that refer to children are null and void as this is an 18+ game. Adults want some adult fun too.

You're not an adult mentally until you're 25 or so. Science and physiology has known this for a long time. 18 has nothing to do with it.

Delsanab14_ESO

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Terms Of Service
"By using any ZeniMax Services, You affirm that (i) You are at least 18 years of age (or have reached the age of majority if that is not 18 years of age where You live)"

Unless the society you live in is run by religious leaders, you are surrounded by gambling.

In the USA where I live, we have a National Lottery. There are casinos spread throughout our country. I live within walking distance of one. Our TV and Radio airwaves are full of sports betting ads. My corner grocery store runs a weekly raffle as do most of your in game Guilds.

Again, you are surrounded by gambling.

Instead of closing your local casino or protesting Piggly Wigglys Turkey raffle, you chose to come to these forums and proclaim the end of civilization because a Frost Mount cost 600 gems.

This leads most of us to believe you are either very immature and are clueless to the happenings of the adult world or looking for a Soap Box issue because you need/like the attention. I tend to believe the latter.

I don't expect you to stop. I doubt very much that you could stop. You have already stated that you have little to no self control.

I just want you to understand how silly and childish most of us see you as.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

Seriously dude, just stop.

No, it's relevant. Gambling is an addiction and a dangerous one that ruins life, as do drugs. He's saying he was a professional gambler once and sees no issues with gambling, and that statement can be universally applied to anything. But as they are anecdotal experiences and don't even go into the actual consequences or facts about it, it has no real validity.

I just posted my opinion. I feel all opinions should at least be represented /shrug

Just a few facts:
I was/am addicted to making money , not the rush of gambling - it's the rush of the potential win/loss people have trouble with; not the act itself. When I won; I always walked away.

I made more money in cards than any other profession; quitting was due to location (I moved) not success or failure.

It's mathematical; you will always win in the long run if you do it correctly.

+ Applying the same methods used in poker to crates would mean it's almost never a bet to make. I look at rewards wanted, chances of winning, cost to "win" etc and the odds are almost never there (sometimes there is, and that's why I have some nice stuff)

You're also correct in as much as it's just like drugs, if you have control, discipline, and moderation you can have both and be very successful. (I live in the US, in a state with legalized recreational materials and we do just fine)

No, there are some addictions that you can't, especially if you're predisposed to it. Just because something works for you (and we're only going by your words here, we have no idea if you're telling the truth of course and it's dangerous to take someone at their word in cases like this) doesn't mean that's not an anecdotal experience or it relates to the whole.

Curtdogg47

If no one bought the crap at the current prices, its possible the prices would come down! And if no one bought crown crates they might change that to. But I'm guessing that the prices being where they are means they are making great money and there is no need to change the current pricing model.

And I am sure if enough people by the stupid cat then one can only guess that we will see more 600 gem mounts in the future.


At the same time if the stupid cat was 5 gems and everyone had one that would be kind of lame to. So I don't know it sucks if you cant afford to get one and it would suck for some if everyone had one!

iiYuki

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

Michae

I'm always baffled on how so many people who defend lootboxes get this topic to the extremes. For them it's "just swallow everything Zenimax gives you or go away". These topics come up because people take issue with predatory monetisation tactics in the game they love, in the game they poured many hours into, in the game that didn't have that kind of things in the beginning. These forums are for voicing opinions and it can't be always flowers and rainbows. Sometimes you have to criticise some decision of the devs and that's even more important than positive feedback. We've seen what those kinds of predatory lootboxes did to other games, we've seen how games were ruined because of that. So don't shush people complaining. If the lootboxes get removed you won't lose anything, you can only gain from this kind of situation. I don't nned anything from a crown store, I support the game that I like and buy what I like. But this is really starting to get ridiculous. If we don't speak out now this rabbit hole will deepen. Right now you have items that can only by purchased by gems, which in turn are only dropped from crown crates in random ammounts, which in turn are bought with an in game currency, which in turn is bought with real money. Doesn't it seem crazy? Why take so many extra steps? Right now it's only one mount, but if we don't speak up in few months it can be the entire catalog, closed off behind expensive paywol where you can't be sure how much your money's gonna get you. And that's why people complain. Just let them. You can only gain from that.

Rohamad_Ali

Complaining about complaining .still gets hot button feedback lol

Delsanab14_ESO

iiYuki wrote: »

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

By making it seem like it's only your fault and no one elses, they avoid culpability. You have to factor in the person who gave the drugs and laced them not just the person who bought them.

Atreidus

redspecter23 wrote: »

Gambling is regulated and has rules.

Loot boxes are completely unregulated. No rules. No odds are required to be disclosed. Odds can be changed on a whim, without notice. Your chance of winning can be dynamic and change based on factors you don't even know about. Research has been done by companies that lets them know when they should LET you win so that you keep coming back for more.

I have no problem with legitimate gambling with actual rules. Loot boxes? That's just plain shady and will be until someone regulates it. If ZOS doesn't want to tell players the odds, I have to assume they are fixing the odds behind the scenes.

https://iclg.com/practice-areas/gambling-laws-and-regulations/germany
This is gambling. Not the game where this stuff is free. Beisdes crown boxes..

German law. The british law is more restrictive(whole games had got blocked because of lootboxes). And in the states There are (anti)gambling -Rules / - laws to.
If your State has an law which is prohibiting this then you shouldnt be allowed to participate. Since they do publish it in your state to.
The boxes here where you pay are not style only. The potions are game changing.
But thats not much. So the free boxes(if you refere to gambling to: no chanche. They are free) are the benefiting ones. If you have got an problem with gambling then do look for help please. There are free anonyme circles which help.

Bruccius

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

By making it seem like it's only your fault and no one elses, they avoid culpability. You have to factor in the person who gave the drugs and laced them not just the person who bought them.

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

Delsanab14_ESO

Bruccius wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

By making it seem like it's only your fault and no one elses, they avoid culpability. You have to factor in the person who gave the drugs and laced them not just the person who bought them.

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

Of course I am as it's related to an addiction and the impact it has. Have you actively ignored all the psychology while defending them?

Hippie4927

Bruccius wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

By making it seem like it's only your fault and no one elses, they avoid culpability. You have to factor in the person who gave the drugs and laced them not just the person who bought them.

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

It doesn't matter if he/she is comparing crates to drugs because he/she is wrong, anyway. Each person is responsible for their own behavior and bad choices. You don't blame the grocery store if you are over-weight and you don't blame Bacardi if you are an alcoholic. You, also, don't blame ZOS if you skip meals to buy crates. As an X-drug addict, I can tell you that one of the most important things on the road to recovery is taking responsibility for your own actions and no longer blaming everyone else for your bad choices.

Delsanab14_ESO

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

By making it seem like it's only your fault and no one elses, they avoid culpability. You have to factor in the person who gave the drugs and laced them not just the person who bought them.

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

It doesn't matter if he/she is comparing crates to drugs because he/she is wrong, anyway. Each person is responsible for their own behavior and bad choices. You don't blame the grocery store if you are over-weight and you don't blame Bacardi if you are an alcoholic. You, also, don't blame ZOS if you skip meals to buy crates. As an X-drug addict, I can tell you that one of the most important things on the road to recovery is taking responsibility for your own actions and no longer blaming everyone else for your bad choices.

And yet the people responsible for actually making the drugs, providing them, giving you free samples to get you hooked or free crates in this case... are the ones ultimately responsible.

So many people hate themselves or downwards and so few ever look up at the ones causing the actual problems.

No, I am not wrong.

Atreidus

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

By making it seem like it's only your fault and no one elses, they avoid culpability. You have to factor in the person who gave the drugs and laced them not just the person who bought them.

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

It doesn't matter if he/she is comparing crates to drugs because he/she is wrong, anyway. Each person is responsible for their own behavior and bad choices. You don't blame the grocery store if you are over-weight and you don't blame Bacardi if you are an alcoholic. You, also, don't blame ZOS if you skip meals to buy crates. As an X-drug addict, I can tell you that one of the most important things on the road to recovery is taking responsibility for your own actions and no longer blaming everyone else for your bad choices.

And yet the people responsible for actually making the drugs, providing them, giving you free samples to get you hooked or free crates in this case... are the ones ultimately responsible.

So many people hate themselves or downwards and so few ever look up at the ones causing the actual problems.

No, I am not wrong.

Comparing this with drugs means you have got an gaming - addiction.

Delsanab14_ESO

Atreidus wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

By making it seem like it's only your fault and no one elses, they avoid culpability. You have to factor in the person who gave the drugs and laced them not just the person who bought them.

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

It doesn't matter if he/she is comparing crates to drugs because he/she is wrong, anyway. Each person is responsible for their own behavior and bad choices. You don't blame the grocery store if you are over-weight and you don't blame Bacardi if you are an alcoholic. You, also, don't blame ZOS if you skip meals to buy crates. As an X-drug addict, I can tell you that one of the most important things on the road to recovery is taking responsibility for your own actions and no longer blaming everyone else for your bad choices.

And yet the people responsible for actually making the drugs, providing them, giving you free samples to get you hooked or free crates in this case... are the ones ultimately responsible.

So many people hate themselves or downwards and so few ever look up at the ones causing the actual problems.

No, I am not wrong.

Comparing this with drugs means you have got an gaming - addiction.

No. I'm not speaking about my own issues or lack of issues. Just looking at the facts and tearing down the distortion.

Crown crates are addicting like drugs, often cause a reward-system in the brain to trigger, have horrible drop rates that get worse as you go not better, and ultimately have no real value, but more than that they are also presented for free at points (and sometimes not for free but at discount or through some promotion at lesser cost) to get you hooked.

BlazingDynamo

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

If it sucks so much don't buy it. Easy enough. Don't get why you mad a *** mount cost alot. Clearly not worth the price

MilwaukeeScott

Bruccius wrote: »

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

Earlier in this thread he/she equates Crown Crates to slavery.

Atreidus

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Atreidus wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

By making it seem like it's only your fault and no one elses, they avoid culpability. You have to factor in the person who gave the drugs and laced them not just the person who bought them.

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

It doesn't matter if he/she is comparing crates to drugs because he/she is wrong, anyway. Each person is responsible for their own behavior and bad choices. You don't blame the grocery store if you are over-weight and you don't blame Bacardi if you are an alcoholic. You, also, don't blame ZOS if you skip meals to buy crates. As an X-drug addict, I can tell you that one of the most important things on the road to recovery is taking responsibility for your own actions and no longer blaming everyone else for your bad choices.

And yet the people responsible for actually making the drugs, providing them, giving you free samples to get you hooked or free crates in this case... are the ones ultimately responsible.

So many people hate themselves or downwards and so few ever look up at the ones causing the actual problems.

No, I am not wrong.

Comparing this with drugs means you have got an gaming - addiction.

No. I'm not speaking about my own issues or lack of issues. Just looking at the facts and tearing down the distortion.

Crown crates are addicting like drugs, often cause a reward-system in the brain to trigger, have horrible drop rates that get worse as you go not better, and ultimately have no real value, but more than that they are also presented for free at points (and sometimes not for free but at discount or through some promotion at lesser cost) to get you hooked.

But you are having got no mental disorder etc. So you decide and it is on you. There even are laws, which are preventing senseless lawships now if i remeber right.

Be responsible and dont act without thinking. (16+ here 18+ at your country[states]).
Doesnt mean you are an adult. But at least some common inteligence to decide.

Hippie4927

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I spent £2000 on CSGO crates in 2 month and over £800 on crowns on 1 month, I work a minimum wage job and was skipping meals at one point in order to save more money to buy even more steam wallet credit so I could buy more crates to gamble with, I would think about them at night, the super rare popping up, the anticipation of my next pay day and literally spending £100+ at a time on *** crates.
I like to think it was some mystical force making my waste my money on these crates but the only person I blame years on is myself, I spent my wages and savings on skins in a game and I personally hate these *** gambling crates because I imagine more people like myself getting invested in them. I hate them but most of all I hate myself for buying into them.

these are just some small examples

By making it seem like it's only your fault and no one elses, they avoid culpability. You have to factor in the person who gave the drugs and laced them not just the person who bought them.

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

It doesn't matter if he/she is comparing crates to drugs because he/she is wrong, anyway. Each person is responsible for their own behavior and bad choices. You don't blame the grocery store if you are over-weight and you don't blame Bacardi if you are an alcoholic. You, also, don't blame ZOS if you skip meals to buy crates. As an X-drug addict, I can tell you that one of the most important things on the road to recovery is taking responsibility for your own actions and no longer blaming everyone else for your bad choices.

And yet the people responsible for actually making the drugs, providing them, giving you free samples to get you hooked or free crates in this case... are the ones ultimately responsible.

So many people hate themselves or downwards and so few ever look up at the ones causing the actual problems.

No, I am not wrong.

You are wrong but I'm not going to argue with you because that plays into your issues.

Delsanab14_ESO

No, you are wrong and by ignoring the other components that influence you intentionally and often for malicious or selfish purposes, you allow it to perpetuate..

Atreidus

I am well aware of this problems. They are arround me every day. But saying "ZoS" has to care about your self" is 1 step to much. They arent your parrents. They have to.

Hoolielulu

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Are you seriously comparing an ingame crate to a drug?

I'm baffled if that's seriously the case.

Earlier in this thread he/she equates Crown Crates to slavery.

And free will doesn't exist.

Atreidus

1 Reminder: no insults please. No matter who you try to insult.

DMuehlhausen

Iselin wrote: »

I don't care if it is or isn't gambling but if you're old enough you'd remember a time where EVERYTHING in the games was earned by playing the games.

The fact that parts of games (costumes, mounts, etc.) get carved out and stuck in loot boxes is the real issue. The whole gambling debate is a straw man argument that is easy to counter while you avoid dealing with the real issue.

While I do think everything should be grindable I understand why companies do it too. I get people are like yeah greed!. Ok sure, but look at this way. The 8 bit systems games were 29.99, 16 bit, 29.99, 32 bit 39.99. Then with PS2 49.99. PS3 59.99. Games have sat there now for what almost 15 years. Yet the production to make them has skyrocketed. Some of those cut scenes cost more money to make than probably the majority of all the NES games combined.

One of the things the loot boxes have allowed is for the buy in price to stay where it's at otherwise they would probably be around 89.99$ USD at this point to just get a game. You also get season passes or small installments for free on most games. Those use to be "expansions" that would cost like 29.99 each or more.

The biggest issue is when people feel they need to have everything the game has to offer. That horse with the yellow sparkles doesn't give you any advantage over the one with blue sparkles. Deal with it.

Delsanab14_ESO

Atreidus wrote: »

I am well aware of this problems. They are arround me every day. But saying "ZoS" has to care about your self" is 1 step to much. They arent your parrents. They have to.

It's not about ZoS has to care about yourself. It's that Zenimax has to be held accountable for their actions as well and the intent behind them needs to be understood and recognized.

There is a difference between someone going to the grocery store and buying rotten meat intentionally and the grocery store actively advertising and discounting said meat knowing its rotten. In one situation the other person is making a poor decision, in the other, the alternative party that provides the meat is actively trying to manipulate others despite knowing the problems of the product.

Atreidus

Actual price (self calculated): $300+ if 1 time and never again and the company shall be surviving.

/edit: maybe we live in 2 different worlds. I know that you want every company to write "dont do this and this and this" before you buy. But Here they think"If it wasnt a scam etc. This guy is old enough. Else the parrents can get the money back".
Who is allowing underaged peoples to play is having got the fault anyways.

Delsanab14_ESO

Atreidus wrote: »

Actual price (self calculated): $300+ if 1 time and never again and the company shall be surviving.

/edit: maybe we live in 2 different worlds. I know that you want every company to write "dont do this and this and this" before you buy. But Here they think"If it wasnt a scam etc. This guy is old enough. Else the parrents can get the money back".
Who is allowing underaged peoples to play is having got the fault anyways.

No I don't want that. I want the government to regulate them because of their gambling mechanics, I want them to have to disclose the actual gambling metrics and drop rates, and I want them to be retroactively fined for perpetuating addiction.

Writing "Don't do this" means nothing. Alcohol companies always say "Drink responsibly", but they're actually telling you to drink and buy from them and they hold no actual liability for your actions. Plus when they say "Drink responsibly" it's always on the screen during some scene of a party or heavily exciting and drunk situation.

A disclaimer means little.