Eso, Gambling And You

Shadow-Fighter

Ertosi wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

People are being immature, no offense.

Tell me, oh anti-Crown Crate fanbase.
Are you aware that there is no gaurantee you will get the item you want from a Crown Crate?
Are you aware that it is not necessary to purchase a Crown Crate to play the game properly?
Are you aware that it is your personal choice to spend money on Crown Crates?
Are you aware that the only reason ridiculous prices exist is because people are willing to pay for it?

Rather than pointing the finger at ZOS, why not take a look at yourself?

All four of these questions should be answered with a solid ''Yes'' if you're being objective.

Everyone knows Crown Crates have no gauranteed items - So why blame ZOS if you don't get the specific item you want?
Everyone knows that Crown Crates largely provide cosmetics - So why blame ZOS for puting a price on something irrelevant?
Everyone knows that it is you who purchases the Crate, not ZOS - So why blame ZOS for puting them in the game?
Everyone knows that without anyone buying them at these prices, the price would go down - So why blame ZOS for puting the price at such a level it makes them the most profit?

People need to realize that ESO has servers which cost money to keep up. Money has to come from somewhere. New DLC and other content has to come from somewhere, and all of that costs money. That one time purchase of the game is something, but turns irrelevant in the long term. They keep pushing out things, and they will continue to do so at prices which makes them the most money. If the price is outrageous they wouldn't keep it as high; as nobody would buy it, refer to question four.

To end this little rant, if you don't want to pay 600 Crowns for it, just get some self control and say ''No. I won't buy it.'', if others are willing to spend those 600 Crowns for it, let them. It's irrational to demand a price be lowered if the item itself is not necessary to play the game properly.

All very good points. I'd also like to add that the very premise of the thread is also false as Crown Crates are NOT gambling. To be "gambling" requires a chance to win real money. There is no real money being won, so it falls under the broader category of being a game of chance.

Can you define real money? What is real money?

Your credit card?
Your share? (finance)
Your loan?
Check?

If all is true then crown crates is also real money

Ashilda_Dragonheart

Juju_beans wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Gambling is only a thing because of lobbying and corruption. It's only a thing here because of laws that worship corporations and very few that protect people.

Though making light of addiction to gambling and the psychosomatic mechanics and reward systems that make people get addicted to these intentionally is highly inaccurate and cruel and makes those informed see YOU as the immature one.

Governments themselves are into this...ever hear of the lotteries ?

No one is going to go out of their way to protect you from spending your money.
Only you can protect yourself.

I agree but all the good cosmetics in ESO still cost too much money, since you either have to get them with crown crates or a very large amount of crowns.

Delsanab14_ESO

Ertosi wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

People are being immature, no offense.

Tell me, oh anti-Crown Crate fanbase.
Are you aware that there is no gaurantee you will get the item you want from a Crown Crate?
Are you aware that it is not necessary to purchase a Crown Crate to play the game properly?
Are you aware that it is your personal choice to spend money on Crown Crates?
Are you aware that the only reason ridiculous prices exist is because people are willing to pay for it?

Rather than pointing the finger at ZOS, why not take a look at yourself?

All four of these questions should be answered with a solid ''Yes'' if you're being objective.

Everyone knows Crown Crates have no gauranteed items - So why blame ZOS if you don't get the specific item you want?
Everyone knows that Crown Crates largely provide cosmetics - So why blame ZOS for puting a price on something irrelevant?
Everyone knows that it is you who purchases the Crate, not ZOS - So why blame ZOS for puting them in the game?
Everyone knows that without anyone buying them at these prices, the price would go down - So why blame ZOS for puting the price at such a level it makes them the most profit?

People need to realize that ESO has servers which cost money to keep up. Money has to come from somewhere. New DLC and other content has to come from somewhere, and all of that costs money. That one time purchase of the game is something, but turns irrelevant in the long term. They keep pushing out things, and they will continue to do so at prices which makes them the most money. If the price is outrageous they wouldn't keep it as high; as nobody would buy it, refer to question four.

To end this little rant, if you don't want to pay 600 Crowns for it, just get some self control and say ''No. I won't buy it.'', if others are willing to spend those 600 Crowns for it, let them. It's irrational to demand a price be lowered if the item itself is not necessary to play the game properly.

All very good points. I'd also like to add that the very premise of the thread is also false as Crown Crates are NOT gambling. To be "gambling" requires a chance to win real money. There is no real money being won, so it falls under the broader category of being a game of chance.

Belgium disagrees and banned them. Crown Crates are considered gambling in most court cases going forward across the world.

Delsanab14_ESO

Juju_beans wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Gambling is only a thing because of lobbying and corruption. It's only a thing here because of laws that worship corporations and very few that protect people.

Though making light of addiction to gambling and the psychosomatic mechanics and reward systems that make people get addicted to these intentionally is highly inaccurate and cruel and makes those informed see YOU as the immature one.

Governments themselves are into this...ever hear of the lotteries ?

No one is going to go out of their way to protect you from spending your money.
Only you can protect yourself.

"Lobbying and corruption" and "laws that worship corporations". I already this with said statements.

Actually people are going to protect you from spending your money, when it's others using addictive mechanics, psychologically addictive systems, and game-theory and science to manipulate you.

This idea that it's all just your own decision to do everything you do is so patently false it is ridiculous.

eklhaftb16_ESO

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

In the USA where I live, we have a National Lottery. There are casinos spread throughout our country. I live within walking distance of one. Our TV and Radio airwaves are full of sports betting ads. My corner grocery store runs a weekly raffle as do most of your in game Guilds.

Imagine for a moment that your corner grocery store sells everything in unmarked crates. You want to buy some milk - boom, there's vinegar in the box instead. You want some sugar - boom, there's lye. There are no more crates in your inventory. Purchase more if you want to try your luck again....

Juju_beans

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

In the USA where I live, we have a National Lottery. There are casinos spread throughout our country. I live within walking distance of one. Our TV and Radio airwaves are full of sports betting ads. My corner grocery store runs a weekly raffle as do most of your in game Guilds.

Imagine for a moment that your corner grocery store sells everything in unmarked crates. You want to buy some milk - boom, there's vinegar in the box instead. You want some sugar - boom, there's lye. There are no more crates in your inventory. Purchase more if you want to try your luck again....

Only it doesn't work that way. I do not have to buy any crates to play ESO.
You're not even comparing apples to apples with that scenario.

chaz

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Instead of closing your local casino or protesting Piggly Wigglys Turkey raffle, you chose to come to these forums and proclaim the end of civilization because a Frost Mount cost 600 gems.

Yea, that one ; in particular did take me by surprise even. And I love cats, would have loved to collect this one as well. Now unless people are randomly gifting me crown crates up to 400 crown value so they can get their free pet in January 2019 by gifting 1000 crowns of gifts to people, I do not see how I will ever get that mount.

Oh, my in game at name is the same here. Just saying. If anyone was interested. Oh sorry, I had already gifted the last of my 1000 crowns out to players, I figure I run a guild, so I chose my members.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

People are being immature, no offense.

Tell me, oh anti-Crown Crate fanbase.
Are you aware that there is no gaurantee you will get the item you want from a Crown Crate?
Are you aware that it is not necessary to purchase a Crown Crate to play the game properly?
Are you aware that it is your personal choice to spend money on Crown Crates?
Are you aware that the only reason ridiculous prices exist is because people are willing to pay for it?

Rather than pointing the finger at ZOS, why not take a look at yourself?

All four of these questions should be answered with a solid ''Yes'' if you're being objective.

Everyone knows Crown Crates have no gauranteed items - So why blame ZOS if you don't get the specific item you want?
Everyone knows that Crown Crates largely provide cosmetics - So why blame ZOS for puting a price on something irrelevant?
Everyone knows that it is you who purchases the Crate, not ZOS - So why blame ZOS for puting them in the game?
Everyone knows that without anyone buying them at these prices, the price would go down - So why blame ZOS for puting the price at such a level it makes them the most profit?

People need to realize that ESO has servers which cost money to keep up. Money has to come from somewhere. New DLC and other content has to come from somewhere, and all of that costs money. That one time purchase of the game is something, but turns irrelevant in the long term. They keep pushing out things, and they will continue to do so at prices which makes them the most money. If the price is outrageous they wouldn't keep it as high; as nobody would buy it, refer to question four.

To end this little rant, if you don't want to pay 600 Crowns for it, just get some self control and say ''No. I won't buy it.'', if others are willing to spend those 600 Crowns for it, let them. It's irrational to demand a price be lowered if the item itself is not necessary to play the game properly.

All very good points. I'd also like to add that the very premise of the thread is also false as Crown Crates are NOT gambling. To be "gambling" requires a chance to win real money. There is no real money being won, so it falls under the broader category of being a game of chance.

Belgium disagrees and banned them. Crown Crates are considered gambling in most court cases going forward across the world.

I’m pretty sure it was EA’s loot boxes that got banned, since a lot of those things are P2W

Callous2208

Let's also keep in mind that without crates there would be nothing to look forward to each month. We're talking about a developer that stopped putting out quality content updates after Orsinium...which was years ago. Crates are all we have, don't you dare try and take it from us.

Delsanab14_ESO

Callous2208 wrote: »

Let's also keep in mind that without crates there would be nothing to look forward to each month. We're talking about a developer that stopped putting out quality content updates after Orsinium...which was years ago. Crates are all we have, don't you dare try and take it from us.

Well I mean we did get Murkmire, Clockwork City, Vvardenfell, Summerset, and possibly Elsweyr soon, so that's NOT ENTIRELY true. Also some (but not many) expansions to dungeons and such.

Callous2208

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Let's also keep in mind that without crates there would be nothing to look forward to each month. We're talking about a developer that stopped putting out quality content updates after Orsinium...which was years ago. Crates are all we have, don't you dare try and take it from us.

Well I mean we did get Murkmire, Clockwork City, Vvardenfell, Summerset, and possibly Elsweyr soon, so that's NOT ENTIRELY true. Also some (but not many) expansions to dungeons and such.

Yes, we got small updates equal to 3 hours of content if you took your time. Orsinium was the gold standard, nothing else has even come close. The drop off in quality has been steep.

Delsanab14_ESO

Callous2208 wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Let's also keep in mind that without crates there would be nothing to look forward to each month. We're talking about a developer that stopped putting out quality content updates after Orsinium...which was years ago. Crates are all we have, don't you dare try and take it from us.

Well I mean we did get Murkmire, Clockwork City, Vvardenfell, Summerset, and possibly Elsweyr soon, so that's NOT ENTIRELY true. Also some (but not many) expansions to dungeons and such.

Yes, we got small updates equal to 3 hours of content if you took your time. Orsinium was the gold standard, nothing else has even come close. The drop off in quality has been steep.

I do agree that there was some quality to Orsinium, but I did enjoy Summerset and Vvardenfell myself.

But yes content is a problem, for 4 years old or so this game has far less content than I'd expect. Another problem is it pretty much ignores all older zones, hasn't continued older dungeons with a part 2, doesn't even have a Summerset region or Vvardenfell region Dungeon, and there's so few things you can buy for cosmetics with just gold like pets or mounts.

Tigerseye

TheInfernalRage wrote: »

OH MY GOD. Pacrooti really got on the nerves of some people.

Poor Pacrooti is just a small cog in a much bigger machine...

Pacrooti is just the dealer, lol.

Callous2208

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Let's also keep in mind that without crates there would be nothing to look forward to each month. We're talking about a developer that stopped putting out quality content updates after Orsinium...which was years ago. Crates are all we have, don't you dare try and take it from us.

Well I mean we did get Murkmire, Clockwork City, Vvardenfell, Summerset, and possibly Elsweyr soon, so that's NOT ENTIRELY true. Also some (but not many) expansions to dungeons and such.

Yes, we got small updates equal to 3 hours of content if you took your time. Orsinium was the gold standard, nothing else has even come close. The drop off in quality has been steep.

I do agree that there was some quality to Orsinium, but I did enjoy Summerset and Vvardenfell myself.

But yes content is a problem, for 4 years old or so this game has far less content than I'd expect. Another problem is it pretty much ignores all older zones, hasn't continued older dungeons with a part 2, doesn't even have a Summerset region or Vvardenfell region Dungeon, and there's so few things you can buy for cosmetics with just gold like pets or mounts.

Agreed on all points. There's literally so much potential just being wasted or outright ignored right now. I just don't get it. Well, I kinda get it but still. It feels like they could be using a portion of that healthy crown store profit to pump out better content. If you're not gonna exploit whales and dress up queens and put some of that back into the game, you're just greedy. I want to believe ZoS isn't totally like that.

BlazingDynamo

At least you can buy it. Everyone bitching about radiant mounts so they basically release one for gems and you all up in arms over the price lmfao

Can't win with you bunch of fools.

Here's an idea. Don't buy it.

Delsanab14_ESO

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

At least you can buy it. Everyone bitching about radiant mounts so they basically release one for gems and you all up in arms over the price lmfao

Can't win with you bunch of fools.

Here's an idea. Don't buy it.

One without a summon animation and which seems to have lacked some polish, one for a high price most people don't even have and to get the gems for it (because it's not crowns remember), they have to buy crates which have an entirel yrandom thing just to deconstruct stuff (if they even can) to hopefully get enough.

Waffennacht

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

Delsanab14_ESO

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

Seriously dude, just stop.

GreenhaloX

I gamble every time I log on to play this game. Ok.. how much lag am I going to have today? How many times will my toon(s) crash? How long can I keep text chat box on? Will peeps behave or how many times peeps going to be bantering on zone and guild chat? Will I have an enjoyable gameplay experience, or will I want to strangle some stupid idiotic player(s). List goes on and on..

Delsanab14_ESO

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

Seriously dude, just stop.

No, it's relevant. Gambling is an addiction and a dangerous one that ruins life, as do drugs. He's saying he was a professional gambler once and sees no issues with gambling, and that statement can be universally applied to anything. But as they are anecdotal experiences and don't even go into the actual consequences or facts about it, it has no real validity.

Hoolielulu

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Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

Seriously dude, just stop.

No, it's relevant. Gambling is an addiction and a dangerous one that ruins life, as do drugs. He's saying he was a professional gambler once and sees no issues with gambling, and that statement can be universally applied to anything. But as they are anecdotal experiences and don't even go into the actual consequences or facts about it, it has no real validity.

You're going to change absolutely nothing here. Start lobbying. Get involved at the political level instead of trusting other people to not get bribed.

Better yet, start a campaign on Facebook. You're accomplishing nothing here.

MilwaukeeScott

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

Seriously dude, just stop.

No, it's relevant. Gambling is an addiction and a dangerous one that ruins life, as do drugs. He's saying he was a professional gambler once and sees no issues with gambling, and that statement can be universally applied to anything. But as they are anecdotal experiences and don't even go into the actual consequences or facts about it, it has no real validity.

It was funny at first. Now I'm concerned.

How would we go about an online forum intervention?

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

Seriously dude, just stop.

No, it's relevant. Gambling is an addiction and a dangerous one that ruins life, as do drugs. He's saying he was a professional gambler once and sees no issues with gambling, and that statement can be universally applied to anything. But as they are anecdotal experiences and don't even go into the actual consequences or facts about it, it has no real validity.

Let me just say- some people on here don’t give a flying flip about this. You do you, but do us all a favor and stop shoving your beliefs down people’s throats who just want to enjoy the game without others telling them how to spend their money. It’s all just annoyance after seeing 3+ posts that some of us wish died as soon as they were created.

Edit: oh, and you didn’t need to click on this post. Want to rant and rave about that next?

Delsanab14_ESO

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a once professional gambler; I see no issues with gambling

I suppose addicts to cocaine might say the same thing.

Seriously dude, just stop.

No, it's relevant. Gambling is an addiction and a dangerous one that ruins life, as do drugs. He's saying he was a professional gambler once and sees no issues with gambling, and that statement can be universally applied to anything. But as they are anecdotal experiences and don't even go into the actual consequences or facts about it, it has no real validity.

Let me just say- some people on here don’t give a flying flip about this. You do you, but do us all a favor and stop shoving your beliefs down people’s throats who just want to enjoy the game without others telling them how to spend their money. It’s all just annoyance after seeing 3+ posts that some of us wish died as soon as they were created.

It's not a belief, it's a highly documented and scientifically verified fact.

myskyrim26

I have something to tell about REAL gambling addiction. Gambling is banned in my country - casinos and all such things. But if someome likes gambling, he always finds a way to do it.
Me? I played card games for money, billiards for money, I've been to small casinos when they were legal in my city. And you know what? I did it because my boyfriend did, and he did it because our friends did and they... well, it was just a common way to have fun. And than it was banned. And what? I don't play cards or billiards for money, I don't seek "undeground" casinos (yet I see a lot in the not so lively streets, they are barely hiding their activities). Just because this... is not fun. When playing, I never felt a gambling fever. Never. Now I see crown cratesL do they make me gamble? Nothing of that kind. I just enjoy any loot they provide as I'm fond of cosmetics. Will a gamble for gems? Hell no. I want lizard mount, Yet I have only 1500 crowns monthly to spend for crates - not a crown more. No investing real money into crowns to buy more crates. No fever, no gambling.

TL DR: If one is addicted to gambling, he will find gambling even if it is banned in his country. If one doesn't care for gambling, nothing will make him addicted. Definitely, not Crown Crates.

Dojohoda

My 2 cents worth:
I don't mind if you spend your money. It's none of my business.

Bruccius

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Ertosi wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

People are being immature, no offense.

Tell me, oh anti-Crown Crate fanbase.
Are you aware that there is no gaurantee you will get the item you want from a Crown Crate?
Are you aware that it is not necessary to purchase a Crown Crate to play the game properly?
Are you aware that it is your personal choice to spend money on Crown Crates?
Are you aware that the only reason ridiculous prices exist is because people are willing to pay for it?

Rather than pointing the finger at ZOS, why not take a look at yourself?

All four of these questions should be answered with a solid ''Yes'' if you're being objective.

Everyone knows Crown Crates have no gauranteed items - So why blame ZOS if you don't get the specific item you want?
Everyone knows that Crown Crates largely provide cosmetics - So why blame ZOS for puting a price on something irrelevant?
Everyone knows that it is you who purchases the Crate, not ZOS - So why blame ZOS for puting them in the game?
Everyone knows that without anyone buying them at these prices, the price would go down - So why blame ZOS for puting the price at such a level it makes them the most profit?

People need to realize that ESO has servers which cost money to keep up. Money has to come from somewhere. New DLC and other content has to come from somewhere, and all of that costs money. That one time purchase of the game is something, but turns irrelevant in the long term. They keep pushing out things, and they will continue to do so at prices which makes them the most money. If the price is outrageous they wouldn't keep it as high; as nobody would buy it, refer to question four.

To end this little rant, if you don't want to pay 600 Crowns for it, just get some self control and say ''No. I won't buy it.'', if others are willing to spend those 600 Crowns for it, let them. It's irrational to demand a price be lowered if the item itself is not necessary to play the game properly.

All very good points. I'd also like to add that the very premise of the thread is also false as Crown Crates are NOT gambling. To be "gambling" requires a chance to win real money. There is no real money being won, so it falls under the broader category of being a game of chance.

Belgium disagrees and banned them. Crown Crates are considered gambling in most court cases going forward across the world.

Luckily Belgium doesn't speak for the world. A fool and his money are easily parted. It isn't the government's job to get involved in this.

Digiman

@MilwaukeeScott

600 gems can amount to over $100, you think its fair for others to pay more or less for a stupid mount that isn't going to last 2 years given ZoS track record with this game?

Let me ask you this? Will you continue to pay for something if you keep being ripped off... Go ahead tell me how silly it is for a company to alienate its customer base and lose everything? Including you when they shut this game down!

MilwaukeeScott

@Digiman

Simple. Don't pay it!

Unless you're saying you have no self control and will buy it either way. If that's the case, get professional help.