WHY is any decent mount LOCKED behind a GAMBLING wall??? I HATE GAMBLING what the hell???

MehrunesRazor

You know what? this game has been a really nice way for me to unwind after a long work day and goof off on my off days and ignore more important things for the sake of pure diversion enjoyment. One thing that really, really, really pisses me off tho is the fact that to get a decent mount you are locked behind literally spending money to gamble it away. GAMBLING AWAY YOUR MONEY IS NOT FUN!

WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ZOS???

I just wanted a mount and said ok, theres no way to get one unless i spend a few bucks in the store so ok, i spend a few bucks in the store. All of a sudden, I get ZERO bonus cards EVER, and every single card I get is a DUD, (its almost like the game is rigged to give me NOTHING - go figure!) and i didnt even want to have to gamble in the first place! I Hate gambling because gambling is a stupid thing to do with your money!!! But you would think that since I would put some money into your game I would get SOMETHING BACK OTHER THAN PISSED OFF!!!

nerfworthy

There are decent mounts you can get for just straight crowns and no gambling. If you want the specific one from the crate.. save up gems for it or deal without it if you don't want to buy crates.

Everything is a choice.

Donny_Vito

Because they want your money, of course.

yodased

Gambling for sure can be said to be a poor choice for money management, but its not inherently bad or good.

You don't have to spend a dime of IRL currency to get the mount you want though, farm ingame gold, buy crown crates from crown seller. Repeat until you get 400 gems or pull one with RNG.

15 crates will cost between 800-1.125m depending on the seller you find.

If you are worried about being scammed, use tamriel crown exchange, they guarantee the items.

TelvanniWizard

It´s ZO$ we are talking here. Nothing new.

VaranisArano

ZOS' goal is not actually consumer satisfaction.

ZOS' goal is to maximize profits for the hours spent creating new assets.

Crown Crates and gambling make more profits overall than putting each new offering in the Crown Store for a fair price for consumers to buy.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

ZOS' goal is not actually consumer satisfaction.

ZOS' goal is to maximize profits for the hours spent creating new assets.

Crown Crates and gambling make more profits overall than putting each new offering in the Crown Store for a fair price for consumers to buy.

You would THINK that someone would have figured out by now that listening to customers and catering to them reduces resentment and makes them WANT to give you more money.

This is not complicated, people...

Kalik_Gold

My favorite mounts weren't thankfully. I'm a horse guy though... Senche guys have to gamble....




edited - regular Crowns are still a paywall for my horses.

Merlight

yodased wrote: »

Gambling for sure can be said to be a poor choice for money management, but its not inherently bad or good.

You don't have to spend a dime of IRL currency to get the mount you want though, farm ingame gold, buy crown crates from crown seller. Repeat until you get 400 gems or pull one with RNG.

15 crates will cost between 800-1.125m depending on the seller you find.

If you are worried about being scammed, use tamriel crown exchange, they guarantee the items.

Did ZoS actually make players take care of their cash-gold conversion business? That's... genius. Fubar, too.

Katahdin

I agree it sucks but the why is they want you to spend stupid amounts of money for it.
And people are stupid enough to oblige them so they keep doing it.

The decision makers on this understand and only care about the money, thats it

.

GaM3rGA1

Yup so tired of it. Saying oh there are other mounts u can get is beyond the point we are trying to make here! Im so sick of what they have done to this game. Right now there are still vet dungeons and trials that have issues resetting and all they do is fix glitches where people get skins. Wtf fix this crap already and start thinking of the people who have been a suporter from the very beginning. Or are u incapable of doing that.

AlienSlof

They can take their gamble crates and shove 'em right up there where the sun never shines. I won't spend real money on gambling. Ever. No matter how appealing the items.

That ice cat is overpriced anyway, even for gems from free crates.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Hey ZoS can you release the Storm Atro Crates soon? I’m sitting on 57 gems waiting to buy the Soul-Shriven costumes

Pajor

At least with crown gems you can go in and buy what you wanted unless its a radiant apex. You can't do that at a casino and pick how much money you want at the end of it.

Pajor

They responded to me about asking about storm atronach crates on Facebook. They did not deny or confirm that they were being released. just commented on my post

Danikat

In case you're not already aware all mounts in ESO are functionally identical - the only thing which sets them apart is the characters riding skills - and all characters can train those to the same level. Other than that it's just skins.

Here's some ways you can get a mount without gambling:

• You can get a free brown horse by getting a character to level 10.
• You can buy 3 other horses (black, tan and brown paint) with gold from any stable.
• You can currently get a free indrik (deer) mount by participating in special events...but it's complicated (more on that below).
• You can buy other horses and 'basic' versions of the bear, camel, wolf, senche and guar in the crown store.
• Other skins for all types of mount are offered periodically in the crown store.
• Other mounts are available as part of various promotions (like the Imperial Horse in the Imperial Upgrade pack and the Bloodshadow Wraith horse in the Summerset Collector's Edition).

There are some specific skins which have so far only been offered in crown crates, so if you want one of those you probably will have to gamble to get it, but you can get other variants - including exotic mounts - directly.

How to get an indrik:

First thing to know - it's not quick.

Back in October they introduced a new system where participating in festivals earned you Festival Tickets. You can hold up to 12 tickets at a time and they can be used to buy Indrik Feathers from the event merchant for 10 tickets each. 4 different feathers (one of each colour) can be combined to produce a nascent (brown) indrik.

You can currently get 1 ticket per day from doing one New Life quest per day. There are not enough days in the festival to get 40 tickets, but every indication is that this is a permanent addition to the game and tickets and feathers will continue to be available during future events so if you keep playing them you will eventually have enough to get an indrik.

Having gotten the nascent indrik you can then use tickets to buy berries to upgrade it to a more colourful version. The first one to be available is the dawnwood (green) version but there are also black, white and gold versions which have been announced.

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

My favorite mounts weren't thankfully. I'm a horse guy though... Senche guys have to gamble....

edited - regular Crowns are still a paywall for my horses.

Not necessarily. I bought the Clouded Senche-Leopard, Shadowghost Senche and Nightfall Sabre Cat directly in the crown store, no need to gamble for any of them.

In total I've got 21 mounts and only 2 of them were exclusively available from crates - in my case I got both from free crates.

Finally if you hate gambling and refuse to participate my advice is do exactly that - vote with your wallet by not buying crates. These systems are only in games because they work - they make a hell of a lot of money, so if you don't want to encourage it then the best way is by not participating yourself.

Delsanab14_ESO

Honestly the fact there's only the 3 basic horses available for gold and no other mounts available for gold is pretty insane over a 4 year game life time.

ploddab16_ESO

I'm afraid that if you're looking for mount rewards other than what's available in the cash shop and the loot boxes, you'll want to move on to another game.

Zenimax does not care about giving players meaningful rewards in it's content, instead it only sees what it can tear out of the planned reward structure of a DLC to stuff into a loot box to maximize it's profits from these gambling boxes.

Players can try and rationalize it all they like, the end result is that you get a shallower, less rewarding experience from ESO because the marketing department have firmly sunk their talons into the product and are seeing exactly how many pre-launch promises they can renege on in order to maximize their profits with loot crates before things finally reach a breaking point, either with the loot boxes being either made illegal or being heavily regulated as the gambling systems they are, forcing them to turn to other monetization methods, or the community itself rising in uproar and abandoning the title after taking financial hit after financial hit to maximize the enjoyment of a DLC that is already the price of a mid-range off the shelf title.

The game should never have put mounts exclusively on the crown store. The cash shop should never have been a place for players to exclusively purchase items that could and should have been content for them to also earn as rewards for in-game activities, but at this point the behavior is firmly entrenched now because we as a player base rewarded it, encouraged it and have even gone on to defend it from criticism, despite the fact the defenders stand to lose just as much from this continued behavior as those who are rightly calling ZOS's marketing practices what they are: predatory, and targeted at those who are often most at risk of exploitation by them, namely those with addiction issues.

If you're after a game that will let you have variety in your choice of mount, appearance and armor/weapon styles without having to pay through the nose for it atop a box cost and sub fee, then I'd advise another title than ESO.

Jayne_Doe

It's all digital fluff. Something I have to remind myself of. None of these items are necessary to play and even enjoy the game. All mounts function the same - you don't need that gems-only sabre cat to go faster than everyone else. Sure, it looks cool, but it's not necessary.

Not trying to "rationalize" that most mounts are CS only or crates only, just that none of it is even remotely necessary. Why do they do it? Because players make a bigger deal out of this or that skin or mount than is rational.

There's already so much visual noise in this game, largely due to crates, and frankly, I would rather they had never been introduced for that reason alone, aside from the gambling aspect. But, a lot of players look forward to the next shiny - myself included - that they will keep producing new CS and crate content.

That said, there are a lot of collectibles we can get in game - costumes, skins, pets, even mounts. Aside from the basic 4 horses, there is also the Psijic horse from Summerfall (in addition to a pet and house) and the free guar pet we're getting this month. Not to mention the system they've set up to let us earn various Indrik mounts.

Plus, how many players have one or two free crate mounts in their collection due to all the free crates they used to give us?

Nestor

If all you need is a mount, you can get one with Gold.

If you choose to get a specific mount, then you have some hoops to jump through. Whether those hoops are worth it to you can only be determined by you.

Delsanab14_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

If all you need is a mount, you can get one with Gold.

If you choose to get a specific mount, then you have some hoops to jump through. Whether those hoops are worth it to you can only be determined by you.

This doesn't even address the actual OP at all.

How is this a representative of the community?

Danikat

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

If all you need is a mount, you can get one with Gold.

If you choose to get a specific mount, then you have some hoops to jump through. Whether those hoops are worth it to you can only be determined by you.

This doesn't even address the actual OP at all.

How is this a representative of the community?

It depends on how you interpret the OPs post, which unfortunately is unclear.

The op said "to get a decent mount you are locked behind literally spending money to gamble it away" and "I just wanted a mount and said ok, theres no way to get one unless i spend a few bucks in the store so ok"

If the OP literally meant that they just wanted to get a mount of some kind and didn't care which one it is then this topic is based on a massive and very unfortunate misunderstanding because there's no need to pay anything at all and certainly no need to gamble - get a character to level 10 and you're given a mount for free. (And as discussed you can buy others with gold or with crowns with no gambling involved.)

'Decent mount' is different but also far more open to interpretation. To some people a decent mount is one with good stats and in that case the OP has also misunderstood, because all mounts are functionally identical - if you ever see someone going faster than you can on their mount it's because of their riding skill and possibly other speed boosts, not because they bought or gambled for a better mount. So for people whose idea of a decent mount is purely based on function the above is also true - the free horse is a decent mount.

Even if they're talking about the appearance it's not necessarily clear that the only option is crown crates because there are many mounts available in other ways which a lot of players prefer. Especially with the current crown crate mounts which I happen to like but a lot of people apparently think are ridiculous.

If the OP has missed the other ways mounts are available then saying you can get one with gold is helpful, if they want one of the specific ones only available from crates then it's true that it's subjective - what those mounts are worth is different for everyone. Some people have been complaining that the indriks aren't in the crown store because they'd prefer to pay (or even gamble) for them rather than gradually collect tickets from in-game events. If they stopped putting new mounts into crown crates and instead made them rare drops from vet dungeons I imagine one group of players would be very happy and another would be absolutely furious that it's now locked behind a system they refuse to engage with. And some people wouldn't care either way because they don't like the mounts or only care about their function so they're happy with a horse bought with gold.

MehrunesRazor

nerfworthy wrote: »

There are decent mounts you can get for just straight crowns and no gambling. If you want the specific one from the crate.. save up gems for it or deal without it if you don't want to buy crates.

Everything is a choice.

ZOS knows I bought the cool mounts they had for sale that matched my characters that I had the time to level. I shouldn't have to "deal without" in a game I paid for outright, then bought the expansions, then buy extras from, all while subscribing to eso plus on a monthly basis.

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Because they want your money, of course.

I honestly have no problem with paying for a well delivered mmorpg. It's when they decide to try taking advantage of me and try to treat me like a stupid gambler that I take offense.

yodased wrote: »

Gambling for sure can be said to be a poor choice for money management, but its not inherently bad or good.

You don't have to spend a dime of IRL currency to get the mount you want though, farm ingame gold, buy crown crates from crown seller. Repeat until you get 400 gems or pull one with RNG.

15 crates will cost between 800-1.125m depending on the seller you find.

If you are worried about being scammed, use tamriel crown exchange, they guarantee the items.

I have a job and a life, just like everyone else. What you are suggesting (grinding everything ingame then gambling all that time and effort away) would require the absence of one or the other to be a feasible solution to the problem.

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

It´s ZO$ we are talking here. Nothing new.

As one of the first beta testers, I'm gonna need more time to come up with a counterargument to that.

VaranisArano wrote: »

ZOS' goal is not actually consumer satisfaction.

ZOS' goal is to maximize profits for the hours spent creating new assets.

Crown Crates and gambling make more profits overall than putting each new offering in the Crown Store for a fair price for consumers to buy.

As a small business owner, It isn't difficult for me to understand why ZOS seems to be accurately described by the facts laid out in your statement. The bottom line only supersedes everything else if everything else is truly what is most important to the company.

For example, player experience, customer satisfaction and steady, loyal subs vs raw gambling profits. Being able to understand it doesn't make it any less wrong or aggravating tho.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

ZOS' goal is not actually consumer satisfaction.

ZOS' goal is to maximize profits for the hours spent creating new assets.

Crown Crates and gambling make more profits overall than putting each new offering in the Crown Store for a fair price for consumers to buy.

You would THINK that someone would have figured out by now that listening to customers and catering to them reduces resentment and makes them WANT to give you more money.

This is not complicated, people...

This.

But what do I know, Im just some guy who grew up playing games just like and including this one who is now having to start REALLY thinking about going back to games everyone else plays since ZOS seems hellbent on turning this one into an online casino. And by this one I don't mean me lol.

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

My favorite mounts weren't thankfully. I'm a horse guy though... Senche guys have to gamble....

edited - regular Crowns are still a paywall for my horses.

I wont pretend that rngesus wasn't cool enuff to give me two cool mounts for free, sench lion and wild hunt bear. But those crates were FREE so there was no gambling!

When I have to spend money to buy chances at stuff this is ONLINE GAMBLING, NOT what you've been trying so hard to make out of the Elder Scrolls saga - sry to bother you with that, ZOS.

Merlight wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Gambling for sure can be said to be a poor choice for money management, but its not inherently bad or good.

You don't have to spend a dime of IRL currency to get the mount you want though, farm ingame gold, buy crown crates from crown seller. Repeat until you get 400 gems or pull one with RNG.

15 crates will cost between 800-1.125m depending on the seller you find.

If you are worried about being scammed, use tamriel crown exchange, they guarantee the items.

The short version of my answer to this is that doing all that will still not guarantee you the exact mount you want. For that, you gonna have to really pull that lever. I mean you really gotta spin that wheel a hundred times. You gotta hit and stand and fold a million hands to get that one mount you really want.

I should be able to just freaking buy it or earn it for one straightforward price or series of acheivements, period.

Katahdin wrote: »

I agree it sucks but the why is they want you to spend stupid amounts of money for it.
And people are stupid enough to oblige them so they keep doing it.

The decision makers on this understand and only care about the money, thats it

.

This is the part that makes me feel the worst. Why take advantage of your own players? I mean, we pay the monthly bills, don't we???.

GaM3rGA1 wrote: »

Yup so tired of it. Saying oh there are other mounts u can get is beyond the point we are trying to make here! Im so sick of what they have done to this game. Right now there are still vet dungeons and trials that have issues resetting and all they do is fix glitches where people get skins. Wtf fix this crap already and start thinking of the people who have been a suporter from the very beginning. Or are u incapable of doing that.

This.

AlienSlof wrote: »

They can take their gamble crates and shove 'em right up there where the sun never shines. I won't spend real money on gambling. Ever. No matter how appealing the items.

That ice cat is overpriced anyway, even for gems from free crates.

I would take overpriced for a straight fee of of crowns over gambling till you bleed ANY DAY. At least that way I can decide if Its worth that set amount and just buy it or not.

Klasen wrote: »

At least with crown gems you can go in and buy what you wanted unless its a radiant apex. You can't do that at a casino and pick how much money you want at the end of it.

Crown gems are just as rng based as everything else. If u want crown gems you could blow thru tons of crowns getting nothing but DUDS and NO EXTRA BONUS CARDS just like ME and then you're just as PISSED OFF as ME.

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Hey ZoS can you release the Storm Atro Crates soon? I’m sitting on 57 gems waiting to buy the Soul-Shriven costumes

Danikat wrote: »

In case you're not already aware all mounts in ESO are functionally identical - the only thing which sets them apart is the characters riding skills - and all characters can train those to the same level. Other than that it's just skins.

Here's some ways you can get a mount without gambling:
{snip}

Finally if you hate gambling and refuse to participate my advice is do exactly that - vote with your wallet by not buying crates. These systems are only in games because they work - they make a hell of a lot of money, so if you don't want to encourage it then the best way is by not participating yourself.

While i honestly do appreciate the spirit and content of this reply, it pretty much does miss the whole point.

ploddab16_ESO wrote: »

I'm afraid that if you're looking for mount rewards other than what's available in the cash shop and the loot boxes, you'll want to move on to another game.

Zenimax does not care about giving players meaningful rewards in it's content, instead it only sees what it can tear out of the planned reward structure of a DLC to stuff into a loot box to maximize it's profits from these gambling boxes.

Players can try and rationalize it all they like, the end result is that you get a shallower, less rewarding experience from ESO because the marketing department have firmly sunk their talons into the product and are seeing exactly how many pre-launch promises they can renege on in order to maximize their profits with loot crates before things finally reach a breaking point, either with the loot boxes being either made illegal or being heavily regulated as the gambling systems they are, forcing them to turn to other monetization methods, or the community itself rising in uproar and abandoning the title after taking financial hit after financial hit to maximize the enjoyment of a DLC that is already the price of a mid-range off the shelf title.

The game should never have put mounts exclusively on the crown store. The cash shop should never have been a place for players to exclusively purchase items that could and should have been content for them to also earn as rewards for in-game activities, but at this point the behavior is firmly entrenched now because we as a player base rewarded it, encouraged it and have even gone on to defend it from criticism, despite the fact the defenders stand to lose just as much from this continued behavior as those who are rightly calling ZOS's marketing practices what they are: predatory, and targeted at those who are often most at risk of exploitation by them, namely those with addiction issues.

If you're after a game that will let you have variety in your choice of mount, appearance and armor/weapon styles without having to pay through the nose for it atop a box cost and sub fee, then I'd advise another title than ESO.

This.

ZOS, DO YOU PEOPLE NOT CARE OR DO YOU JUST NOT LISTEN???

I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, WHICH IS IT???

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

It's all digital fluff. Something I have to remind myself of. None of these items are necessary to play and even enjoy the game. All mounts function the same - you don't need that gems-only sabre cat to go faster than everyone else. Sure, it looks cool, but it's not necessary.

Not trying to "rationalize" that most mounts are CS only or crates only, just that none of it is even remotely necessary. Why do they do it? Because players make a bigger deal out of this or that skin or mount than is rational.

There's already so much visual noise in this game, largely due to crates, and frankly, I would rather they had never been introduced for that reason alone, aside from the gambling aspect. But, a lot of players look forward to the next shiny - myself included - that they will keep producing new CS and crate content.

That said, there are a lot of collectibles we can get in game - costumes, skins, pets, even mounts. Aside from the basic 4 horses, there is also the Psijic horse from Summerfall (in addition to a pet and house) and the free guar pet we're getting this month. Not to mention the system they've set up to let us earn various Indrik mounts.

Plus, how many players have one or two free crate mounts in their collection due to all the free crates they used to give us?

Me plus everyone else who has one or two free crate mounts, that's how many. It's not gambling when its an awesome ingame reward like my sencha lion and my sweet wild hunt bear that's perfect for my not so high level but trying warden baby alt. You and I are talking about two different things but i do appreciate the spirit and content of your reply.

Nestor wrote: »

If all you need is a mount, you can get one with Gold.

If you choose to get a specific mount, then you have some hoops to jump through. Whether those hoops are worth it to you can only be determined by you.

You sound like my dad bro. Lol im just kidding sorta. Gambling is not a hoop. Gambling is gambling. The New Life event is hoop jumping. Big difference.

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

If all you need is a mount, you can get one with Gold.

If you choose to get a specific mount, then you have some hoops to jump through. Whether those hoops are worth it to you can only be determined by you.

This doesn't even address the actual OP at all.

How is this a representative of the community?

This.

Danikat wrote: »

{snip}

Sry but this reply was just a whole lot of not getting the point at all.

Please just buy the rest of my crowns off me if u really want to help.

idk

nerfworthy wrote: »

There are decent mounts you can get for just straight crowns and no gambling. If you want the specific one from the crate.. save up gems for it or deal without it if you don't want to buy crates.

Everything is a choice.

This. I do not buy crates and have a number of decent mounts. One was free (striped sench).

MehrunesRazor

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

It's all digital fluff. Something I have to remind myself of. None of these items are necessary to play and even enjoy the game. All mounts function the same - you don't need that gems-only sabre cat to go faster than everyone else. Sure, it looks cool, but it's not necessary.

Not trying to "rationalize" that most mounts are CS only or crates only, just that none of it is even remotely necessary. Why do they do it? Because players make a bigger deal out of this or that skin or mount than is rational.

There's already so much visual noise in this game, largely due to crates, and frankly, I would rather they had never been introduced for that reason alone, aside from the gambling aspect. But, a lot of players look forward to the next shiny - myself included - that they will keep producing new CS and crate content.

That said, there are a lot of collectibles we can get in game - costumes, skins, pets, even mounts. Aside from the basic 4 horses, there is also the Psijic horse from Summerfall (in addition to a pet and house) and the free guar pet we're getting this month. Not to mention the system they've set up to let us earn various Indrik mounts.

Plus, how many players have one or two free crate mounts in their collection due to all the free crates they used to give us?

The points in this reply were so salient that i had to address them twice... simply because so much of it is so obviously true. Yes, it's all digital fluff, as far as mount skins and cosmetics go. Look, every mmo and other such game out there has to find a non-p2w way to stay in business! it's not a novel concept that cant be understood by players!

Or not, if you don't think so, I mean, ZOS is gonna do whatever they want with the game.

And finally, to go ahead and contradict one part of this reply:

Even though some things aren't technically "necessary" to EVERYONE, to SOME if not a LOT of people, they sort of are.
.
Quick example , every morning, we shower, shave, put on fresh clean clothes a freshly dry cleaned shirt, fresh and clean everything else, deodorant, cologne, then accessorize to match what the hell were wearing so we don't look haphazard or just plain bad, comb our hair brush our teeth, smile in the mirror and leave the house for work looking as professional and attractive as all get out.

All that stuff is not "necessary" at all! Could roll out of bed and go straight to work. Hell with a shower!

But.. for most people, that word "necessary" doesn't mean what you mean in your reply.

For most people, all those things fall under that "necessary" category because WHY look like and smell like and feel like garbage when you can do the OPPOSITE.

Necessity isn't the issue, per se!

Sry but cosmetic stuff JUST SHOULDNT be behind a STRICT gambling wall, PERIOD, unless you believe you should have to roll and roll and roll a bonus card to be able to take a shower before work tomorrow morning, because that shower is NECESSARY, or you will stink and be unattractive whether you want to call it necessary or not lol.

Hippie4927

MehrunesRazor wrote: »

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

It's all digital fluff. Something I have to remind myself of. None of these items are necessary to play and even enjoy the game. All mounts function the same - you don't need that gems-only sabre cat to go faster than everyone else. Sure, it looks cool, but it's not necessary.

Not trying to "rationalize" that most mounts are CS only or crates only, just that none of it is even remotely necessary. Why do they do it? Because players make a bigger deal out of this or that skin or mount than is rational.

There's already so much visual noise in this game, largely due to crates, and frankly, I would rather they had never been introduced for that reason alone, aside from the gambling aspect. But, a lot of players look forward to the next shiny - myself included - that they will keep producing new CS and crate content.

That said, there are a lot of collectibles we can get in game - costumes, skins, pets, even mounts. Aside from the basic 4 horses, there is also the Psijic horse from Summerfall (in addition to a pet and house) and the free guar pet we're getting this month. Not to mention the system they've set up to let us earn various Indrik mounts.

Plus, how many players have one or two free crate mounts in their collection due to all the free crates they used to give us?

The points in this reply were so salient that i had to address them twice... simply because so much of it is so obviously true. Yes, it's all digital fluff, as far as mount skins and cosmetics go. Look, every mmo and other such game out there has to find a non-p2w way to stay in business! it's not a novel concept that cant be understood by players!

Or not, if you don't think so, I mean, ZOS is gonna do whatever they want with the game.

And finally, to go ahead and contradict one part of this reply:

Even though some things aren't technically "necessary" to EVERYONE, to SOME if not a LOT of people, they sort of are.
.
Quick example , every morning, we shower, shave, put on fresh clean clothes a freshly dry cleaned shirt, fresh and clean everything else, deodorant, cologne, then accessorize to match what the hell were wearing so we don't look haphazard or just plain bad, comb our hair brush our teeth, smile in the mirror and leave the house for work looking as professional and attractive as all get out.

All that stuff is not "necessary" at all! Could roll out of bed and go straight to work. Hell with a shower!

But.. for most people, that word "necessary" doesn't mean what you mean in your reply.

For most people, all those things fall under that "necessary" category because WHY look like and smell like and feel like garbage when you can do the OPPOSITE.

Necessity isn't the issue, per se!

Sry but cosmetic stuff JUST SHOULDNT be behind a STRICT gambling wall, PERIOD, unless you believe you should have to roll and roll and roll a bonus card to be able to take a shower before work tomorrow morning, because that shower is NECESSARY, or you will stink and be unattractive whether you want to call it necessary or not lol.

That's ridiculous and your analogy doesn't work for me. Having a job is necessary and, if you don't shower and smell bad, your boss will either fire you and tell you to cleanup before you come to work the next day. Therefore, the shower is necessary. Video games are NOT necessary......they are purely entertainment and, therefore, everything in them is UNnecessary. The fluff is a want, not a need.

MehrunesRazor

idk wrote: »

nerfworthy wrote: »

There are decent mounts you can get for just straight crowns and no gambling. If you want the specific one from the crate.. save up gems for it or deal without it if you don't want to buy crates.

Everything is a choice.

This. I do not buy crates and have a number of decent mounts. One was free (striped sench).

TL:DR

Hippie4927 wrote: »

That's ridiculous and your analogy doesn't work for me. Having a job is necessary and, if you don't shower and smell bad, your boss will either fire you and tell you to cleanup before you come to work the next day. Therefore, the shower is necessary. Video games are NOT necessary......they are purely entertainment and, therefore, everything in them is UNnecessary. The fluff is a want, not a need.

I wasn't talking to you.

Hippie4927

MehrunesRazor wrote: »

idk wrote: »

nerfworthy wrote: »

There are decent mounts you can get for just straight crowns and no gambling. If you want the specific one from the crate.. save up gems for it or deal without it if you don't want to buy crates.

Everything is a choice.

This. I do not buy crates and have a number of decent mounts. One was free (striped sench).

TL:DR

Hippie4927 wrote: »

That's ridiculous and your analogy doesn't work for me. Having a job is necessary and, if you don't shower and smell bad, your boss will either fire you and tell you to cleanup before you come to work the next day. Therefore, the shower is necessary. Video games are NOT necessary......they are purely entertainment and, therefore, everything in them is UNnecessary. The fluff is a want, not a need.

I wasn't talking to you.

Well, that's rude! You're talking on a public forum so you are talking to anyone who has access to the forum. If you disagree with me, there is no need to be rude about it. Just sayin'........!

Delsanab14_ESO

idk wrote: »

nerfworthy wrote: »

There are decent mounts you can get for just straight crowns and no gambling. If you want the specific one from the crate.. save up gems for it or deal without it if you don't want to buy crates.

Everything is a choice.

This. I do not buy crates and have a number of decent mounts. One was free (striped sench).

@idk The Striped Senche was not free, you paid 9 months straight to qualify. And when they had almost no real content in the game for a game out at its time.

idk

Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

nerfworthy wrote: »

There are decent mounts you can get for just straight crowns and no gambling. If you want the specific one from the crate.. save up gems for it or deal without it if you don't want to buy crates.

Everything is a choice.

This. I do not buy crates and have a number of decent mounts. One was free (striped sench).

@idk The Striped Senche was not free, you paid 9 months straight to qualify. And when they had almost no real content in the game for a game out at its time.

I suppose someone can slice it however they want to. I paid to play the game and considering that there was no idea we would get a mount after 9 months get a mount, or anything other than the opportunity to play the game.

As for real content. Your statement is clearly a skewed and tainted narrative. Besides what the game was launched with we gained a large zone (technically one and a half the way it was released), two trials, the first arena, and two new dungeons with the last one being the best vet dungeon launched at the time. That is a pretty good track record for a first 9 months of any MMORPG.

I do not know what you call real content but it is clearly it is not grounded in anything reasonable. Itg was the period that came after that Zos ceased to release content for an extended period of team.

qbit

I think the bigger issue is the obsession over cosmetics. Like it’s an obsession. Some people can’t afford it. Personally, I subscribe and spend my monthly crowns on it for lack of anything else to buy. Some people obsess over it. 🤷‍♂️

I guess I’m lucky that I can’t role play mentally. So I see this stuff for what it is.