600 GEMS for ICE CAT MOUNT??

Finviuswe

I paid it man

It was a good price too. I love that mount

Delsanab14_ESO

Lisutaris wrote: »

Chooo chooo ... The EA train is entering the station. Everybody get your credit card ready and hop on board.

I would advertise the popsicle mount more like this

Ah damn, typos in the second pic xD sigh

We'd also like to talk about another special reward, the Striped Senche, which was announced in our recent Road Ahead update. To obtain this regal mount, you need to meet two criteria: 1) you must be an active ESO subscriber on March 16th, the day before we launch Tamriel Unlimited, and 2) you need to have 300 total days of paid subscription time prior to March 16th. This is the only way to get your hands on this feline companion—it won't be sold in the Crown Store.

In 2015 the content in the game was extremely minimal, in fact it took 2 years before additional Trials were added after launch. The simple reality is that it was not so much a reward for playing and subscribing, but for staying with them when they had a paltry amount of content as compared to other mmos that released far earlier than them and which they should have been competing with and prepared for. Almost a year of time subscribed to a game with minimal things to do.

It came off as a weak way to keep people there just for some rare stuff they'd never have a chance of getting and it wasn't just rare stuff but really nice looking rare stuff people want now but didn't even know was a thing years back because they didn't have the game. And given subscription really had very minimal benefit at that time it felt more like you were basically having to have paid 9 months to get this mount, so you bought it yourself.

I'd rather mounts be for quest rewards or hard achievements.

Delsanab14_ESO

Sailor_Palutena wrote: »

deflorate wrote: »

Don't buy it then, simple as that.

Since WoW, I don't understand this obsession with mounts. People do anything or pay anything for a new mount. I just pick one that I find cool and fitting with my character and I'm done with it.

For some, that's exactly what they're doing to, or others just want a new and flashy thing, I personally haven't found the perfect mount yet since I've played but if it comes out I'm sure I'll really want it, whether I can get it is another thing. Same with pets.

You found something cool and fitting for your character, perhaps they just haven't yet and are still looking. People get bored seeing the same thing always too.

tactx

Such a cool mount

acw37162

The dollar the crowns conversion is pretty simple.

I genuinely want to know what their internal math says the average dollar value of 600 crown gems is.

The game is pretty fun and I’ve had some good times here, and I think the dev team really cares about the game, but there is a mountain of evidence somewhere in your organization is a group or genuinely greedy individuals running things

Tigerseye

Bruccius wrote: »

Maybe those people ought to set their priorities straight, then.

Well, if they did that, many games would have to shut-up shop entirely, because cosmetics are a big part of the end game in many (most?) games, these days.

This isn't 2004 - where people were prepared to work, endlessly, just for another generic stat stick.

Most people want pretty (or otherwise impressive) clothing, mounts, pets and/or houses, now.

Delsanab14_ESO

acw37162 wrote: »

The dollar the crowns conversion is pretty simple.

I genuinely want to know what their internal math says the average dollar value of 600 crown gems is.

The game is pretty fun and I’ve had some good times here, and I think the dev team really cares about the game, but there is a mountain of evidence somewhere in your organization is a group or genuinely greedy individuals running things

Shareholders. (Not Stakeholders which would be you and I, but shareholders as in individuals only interested in one very particular thing).

Acrolas

acw37162 wrote: »

The dollar the crowns conversion is pretty simple.

I genuinely want to know what their internal math says the average dollar value of 600 crown gems is.

The sweepstakes prize of "every digital collectible item that has been offered in The Elder
Scrolls ® Online Crown Store since the launch of The Elder Scrolls ® Online through the Sweepstakes Period" has a approximate retail value of $0 USD.

And as everything in the Xanmeer Crates exists through the Sweepstakes Period, the three winners of that prize will receive everything in there, including the limited time ice-themed items. So they're a subset of that retail value of $0 USD.

Leasing crowns is an agreement that you don't own anything purchased with them and those purchased items have no real world value. Worthless digital shiny things.

And it's perfectly all right to enjoy them, so long as you understand those terms. If you love your 600 crown gem Sabre Cat and it helps tell your personal story in ESO, wonderful. If you're using it as a status symbol, that's a problem. If you're using it to judge and bash other individuals, including the team that makes the game, that's a problem.

Some people, one day, might realize they're getting worked up over nothing. Actual, literal nothing.

Bruccius

lagrue wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

ChrisToTheCanvas wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

I see everyone complaining about these prices being so high, nobody appears to care that it's merely a cosmetic.

Also nobody seems to notice that it's us - the playerbase - that allows this to take place. Why would you blame ZOS here? If they know people are... let's say intelligent... enough to spend thousands of dollars on cosmetics, why would they lower the price?

there are plenty of people that care it is cosmetic. for lots of people, cosmetics are the end game in ESO and seeing this greedy trend from ZOS increase over the years is very disappointing

Maybe those people ought to set their priorities straight, then.

Or maybe you should learn to accept that not everybody enjoys the same thing in games. Go enjoy what you enjoy and quit lambasting us with your preaching about what you think people should care about.

Well, if you care so much for cosmetics, why complain over the price tag? You do not need a Cosmetic. If you want a cosmetic, buy it. If you think it's too costly, don't. Simple as that.

You do not need that cosmetic to play the game.

Also, your comment is the image of irony. Can you guess who are the ones ''preaching about what you think people should care about.''? I've spotted several ''Oh no! This cosmetic item costs so much! REEE'' posts by now.

Bruccius

Tigerseye wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

Maybe those people ought to set their priorities straight, then.

Well, if they did that, many games would have to shut-up shop entirely, because cosmetics are a big part of the end game in many (most?) games, these days.

This isn't 2004 - where people were prepared to work, endlessly, just for another generic stat stick.

Most people want pretty (or otherwise impressive) clothing, mounts, pets and/or houses, now.

And those people ought to set their priorities straight. Money is not something to be spent lightly. I've spend over 500 euros on a game during my youth, money completely wasted. At the time, it was worth it.

Was it expensive? It was. Did I want it to be cheaper? Of course I did. Did I complain about it? Of course not. These items are not necessary to play the game, it's your personal choice to buy them, so don't complain over the price.

It's a bit like complaining over the price of a gold bar when you just want it to sit on a pedestal in your house to make it look good; it's a little bit ridiculous.

Ashilda_Dragonheart

Riverlynn wrote: »

It is what it is.

Sometimes in life, things are expensive - best to learn to deal with it now, because it happens a lot.

It's just pixels people.

It's just pixels so it shouldn't cost so much.

Delsanab14_ESO

Acrolas wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

The dollar the crowns conversion is pretty simple.

I genuinely want to know what their internal math says the average dollar value of 600 crown gems is.

The sweepstakes prize of "every digital collectible item that has been offered in The Elder
Scrolls ® Online Crown Store since the launch of The Elder Scrolls ® Online through the Sweepstakes Period" has a approximate retail value of $0 USD.

And as everything in the Xanmeer Crates exists through the Sweepstakes Period, the three winners of that prize will receive everything in there, including the limited time ice-themed items. So they're a subset of that retail value of $0 USD.

Leasing crowns is an agreement that you don't own anything purchased with them and those purchased items have no real world value. Worthless digital shiny things.

And it's perfectly all right to enjoy them, so long as you understand those terms. If you love your 600 crown gem Sabre Cat and it helps tell your personal story in ESO, wonderful. If you're using it as a status symbol, that's a problem. If you're using it to judge and bash other individuals, including the team that makes the game, that's a problem.

Some people, one day, might realize they're getting worked up over nothing. Actual, literal nothing.

God that's depressing.

Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »

Riverlynn wrote: »

It is what it is.

Sometimes in life, things are expensive - best to learn to deal with it now, because it happens a lot.

It's just pixels people.

It's just pixels so it shouldn't cost so much.

Fair point.

N0TPLAYER2

tactx wrote: »

Such a cool mount

Damn. 900 gems.

At $179.00 average for 600 gems, you just spent $270. On a digital mount and pet.

I’ve bought a lot of crap from the crown store but this is a whole new level of wow.

Bruccius

Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »

Riverlynn wrote: »

It is what it is.

Sometimes in life, things are expensive - best to learn to deal with it now, because it happens a lot.

It's just pixels people.

It's just pixels so it shouldn't cost so much.

Many things shouldn't cost what they do.

Ever heard of Caviar?

Reistr_the_Unbroken

I hope the Storm Atro Crates return soon

weedgenius

Since they closed the other thread I'm reposting this comment here.

If anyone is good with math, I would love if someone can help figure out how much $$ you'd need to spend on crates to earn 300 gems (for the pet) and 600 (for the mount), assuming someone has zero crowns and zero gems to start with. We'd also need to factor in that some items you might want to keep, not convert, and not everything can even be converted.

Putting the data here so I can come back to it. LMK if anyone can do a rough estimate or help me figure out how to approach it.

Crate tracker
Live crate tracker

Crown packs (PS4 NA pre-tax):

• 750 crowns - $7.99
• 1,500 crowns - $14.99
• 3,000 crowns - $24.99
• 5,500 crowns - $39.99
• 14,000 crowns - $99.99
• 21,000 crowns - $149.99

Crate prices:

• 1 crate - 400 crowns
• 4 crates - 1,500 crowns
• 15 crates - 5,000 crowns

Conversion rates (AFAIK):

• White items return 1 gem
• Blue items return 5 gems
• Purple items return 13 gems
• Yellow items return 33 gems
• Apex items return 132 gems

"According to Faunter, every crate contains two cards which are always white or green, and one card which is always blue or better. The fourth is random, and the bonus card is always purple or better."

Someone added on the closed thread that you need more than one white item sometimes to convert them, not sure exactly when that is the case but please add more info if you know.

I guess we would need to first figure out the % chance for getting each tier, then the % chance for getting a duplicate from that tier.

Delsanab14_ESO

weedgenius wrote: »

Since they closed the other thread I'm reposting this comment here.

If anyone is good with math, I would love if someone can help figure out how much $$ you'd need to spend on crates to earn 300 gems (for the pet) and 600 (for the mount), assuming someone has zero crowns and zero gems to start with. We'd also need to factor in that some items you might want to keep, not convert, and not everything can even be converted.

Putting the data here so I can come back to it. LMK if anyone can do a rough estimate or help me figure out how to approach it.

Crate tracker
Live crate tracker

Crown packs (PS4 NA pre-tax):

• 750 crowns - $7.99
• 1,500 crowns - $14.99
• 3,000 crowns - $24.99
• 5,500 crowns - $39.99
• 14,000 crowns - $99.99
• 21,000 crowns - $149.99

Crate prices:

• 1 crate - 400 crowns
• 4 crates - 1,500 crowns
• 15 crates - 5,000 crowns

Conversion rates (AFAIK):

• White items return 1 gem
• Blue items return 5 gems
• Purple items return 13 gems
• Yellow items return 33 gems
• Apex items return 132 gems

"According to Faunter, every crate contains two cards which are always white or green, and one card which is always blue or better. The fourth is random, and the bonus card is always purple or better."

Someone added on the closed thread that you need more than one white item sometimes to convert them, not sure exactly when that is the case but please add more info if you know.

I guess we would need to first figure out the % chance for getting each tier, then the % chance for getting a duplicate from that tier.

We have that info already google it or I will get it to you later.

heaven13

Bruccius wrote: »

Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »

Riverlynn wrote: »

It is what it is.

Sometimes in life, things are expensive - best to learn to deal with it now, because it happens a lot.

It's just pixels people.

It's just pixels so it shouldn't cost so much.

Many things shouldn't cost what they do.

Ever heard of Caviar?

What? This is a horrible analogy.

Caviar is expensive because most wild sturgeon are endangered and thus sturgeon must be farm-raised for the roe. Additionally, a lot of the higher quality come from rarer sturgeon species which take years to produce roe compared to some of the "lesser" qualities that produce at a faster rate. That's not even taking into account the milking/harvesting and packing processes.

However, all crown items (crates, gems, straight purchase) all are only artificially scarce at ZOS's whim. Once the assets are produced, they're there (and indeed some/most 'new' content utilizes existing assets in some way). There is no bottleneck at the supply source, no cost of materials or labor beyond additional production, etc.

While ZOS can choose (whether I agree with it or not) at what price, currency, and window in which to offer items, let's not pretend crown items are something they're not.

Delsanab14_ESO

https://www.crowncrates.com/

There, horrible percentage chances.

Joy_Division

If people don't like it then they should not buy it.

And instead use one of the other dozen mounts they previously spent money for and couldn't care less about now that a new shiny one is available.

Tigerseye

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

What? This is a horrible analogy.

Caviar is expensive because most wild sturgeon are endangered and thus sturgeon must be farm-raised for the roe. Additionally, a lot of the higher quality come from rarer sturgeon species which take years to produce roe compared to some of the "lesser" qualities that produce at a faster rate. That's not even taking into account the milking/harvesting and packing processes.

However, all crown items (crates, gems, straight purchase) all are only artificially scarce at ZOS's whim. Once the assets are produced, they're there (and indeed some/most 'new' content utilizes existing assets in some way). There is no bottleneck at the supply source, no cost of materials or labor beyond additional production, etc.

While ZOS can choose (whether I agree with it or not) at what price, currency, and window in which to offer items, let's not pretend crown items are something they're not.

I know, some of the examples given, on here, are totally ludicrous.

Hopefully, they're just trolling (many people do, after all).

Otherwise you have to wonder, frankly...

TheMythicDawn

Joy_Division wrote: »

If people don't like it then they should not buy it.

And instead use one of the other dozen mounts they previously spent money for and couldn't care less about now that a new shiny one is available.

not really a fair estimation of the problem at hand Cynical_Division

Callous2208

Joy_Division wrote: »

If people don't like it then they should not buy it.

And instead use one of the other dozen mounts they previously spent money for and couldn't care less about now that a new shiny one is available.

This is dangerous thinking and a class representative of all people should know better. If people stop buying mounts that they don't need, how will ZoS have the funds to keep updating the crown store, the only content updates we get? Shame on you.

Commancho

I own personaly only one crate mount, which costed me 100 gems <zombie horse>, which I have recieved from free crates this year and which is actually cool, opposite to all these generic and ugly reskins of the same models. I would like to thank all of you buying this <*$5*> for sponsoring my game and also I want to thank ZOS that I don't have to look at too many lore unfriendly mounts in the game because of their hilarious pricing. I think they could easly charge you 1200 gems, so maybe they will have some money to finally fix steam's client.

lagrue

Bruccius wrote: »

Ashilda_Dragonheart wrote: »

Riverlynn wrote: »

It is what it is.

Sometimes in life, things are expensive - best to learn to deal with it now, because it happens a lot.

It's just pixels people.

It's just pixels so it shouldn't cost so much.

Many things shouldn't cost what they do.

Ever heard of Caviar?

Caviar costs what it does due its extreme rarity, difficulty to farm and the fact it takes years to cultivate. There's a legitimate reason why it costs so much - it's a finite resource. Kind of a bad comparison when putting it up against something digital which can be indefinitely generated after its been made.

lucky_Sage

Whats even funnier is this crown crate season sucks everything in there in all for the dumb lizards. No crafting motif no good mount or any good costumes

ookami007

I can't imagine that it's worth to make with the tiny percentage who are crazy enough to buy it.

Delsanab14_ESO

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Whats even funnier is this crown crate season sucks everything in there in all for the dumb lizards. No crafting motif no good mount or any good costumes

There's that Voriplasm style

lagrue

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Whats even funnier is this crown crate season sucks everything in there in all for the dumb lizards. No crafting motif no good mount or any good costumes

That's probably why they think people will have so many gems. This is bar none the worst Crown Crate season EVER... nobody is rushing out to buy those apex mounts or ugly lizard cosmetics, so the poor sods who bought a craptonne of crates were probably sitting on useless gems xD

lucky_Sage

lagrue wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

Whats even funnier is this crown crate season sucks everything in there in all for the dumb lizards. No crafting motif no good mount or any good costumes

That's probably why they think people will have so many gems. This is bar none the worst Crown Crate season EVER... nobody is rushing out to buy those apex mounts or ugly lizard cosmetics, so the poor sods who bought a craptonne of crates were probably sitting on useless gems xD

@lagrue
The real reason is the suites of the gaming industry is just getting greedier and greedier beucase of how big the industry is getting and they realize people with do stupid stuff to get stuff I like buying a costume here and there and I'll use my sub crowns to buy a few crates if there is something good in there because I won't use them other wise. But Im not stupid enough to speeds hundreds of colors and a chance to get something