Programming issue 656790 The Fiasco of the Oko rune.

mreisse

Alkapton wrote: »

Everything else (except Rubedo Leather) runs out every 2-3 days, maps don't supply enougth, I only really farm Rubedo leather, an 'accidental' bonus from my gold grind . Ancestor Silk is my bane.

Huh. Rubedo Leather is my lowest. I have almost twice as much ancestor silk... Good thing my writs mostly go for silk instead of leather, at least in my experience.

Sylvermynx

So, I have 500 Oko, 475 Makko, and 690 Deni. I don't seem to be running out so far....

kojou

I need to start selling Oko runes...

SanguineMyBrother

Platinum is the thorn in my side. Always running low.

sudaki_eso

SirJake990 wrote: »

The Oko runestone is a real PIA for a variety of reasons.

• The OKO glyph is required for 62% of all Enchanting Dailies, while there are a total of 17 runestone of the Essence class not counting the Hakeijo runestone. That also makes no sense.
  
  To me requiring the OKO runestone in 62% of the enchanting quests was never considered.

If thats the case there is something wrong, it should be 33,3%. Same as other daily crafting quests the rotation is always the same. Enchanter quests should be oko, deni, makko and then it starts over again...

Kanar

I haven't had a problem with Oko, because I deconn all glyphs I get.

With alchemy though it seems like Mudcrab Chitin is the new nirnroot. I don't have enough and so I am stopping alchemy writs on all my crafters.

mikikatze

I know this is an old thread, but I keep running into the Oko shortage regularly. And on pc its quite hard to purchase them from any guild merchants.

idk

Decon the glyphs you get and that should give you plenty. I have tones of oko essence runs as a result. People do not waste slots in traders because they do not sell for much.

It is probably better to start a new thread than necro an old thread as sometimes things have changed in game.

MartiniDaniels

Sometimes I buy a 200 pack of Oko but it's not that often to be an issue. Though I ran only 6 crafters now (have more but tired doing writs on everyone) and I decon all the glyphs I got.
Anyway, I agree that enchantment in ESO is lackluster now and needs an overhaul. Temporary, more powerful enchantments will be nice addition to the game... (they will function as poisons)... as for now majority of runes are never used.

mikikatze

Ok, I will try deconstruction more I guess. But people sell all kinds of cheap (snip) inkluding many other runes, so I'm not sure this is a valid argument.

(edited for profanity)

SeaGtGruff

mikikatze wrote: »

I know this is an old thread, but I keep running into the Oko shortage regularly. And on pc its quite hard to purchase them from any guild merchants.

Which PC server are you on, NA or EU?

Maggi12

"Programming issue 656790 The Fiasco of the Oko rune. Bookmark"
Where is programming issue? ^
I dont see it in this topic...

i have 15 + 18 chars, so I just buy oko for <=50g each (no more), no problem.
The same "problem" exists also for alchemy - Violet Coprinus / Mudcrab Chitin, i buy them too.
I think it is fair. We have to spend somethink valuable to do that quests. Anyway, reward is 600g + enchanting map + writ.

bmnoble

idk wrote: »

Decon the glyphs you get and that should give you plenty. I have tones of oko essence runs as a result. People do not waste slots in traders because they do not sell for much.

It is probably better to start a new thread than necro an old thread as sometimes things have changed in game.

Oko runes tend to be one of the more valuable rune types, if your doing daily enchanting writs on multiple characters, they tend to be the one rune type that is always in short supply due to a lower drop rate compared to the other rune types used in daily writs.

Whenever I see then at a good price I buy them whether I need them yet or not, I doubt I am the only one, that's why they are so hard to find on guild stores for a good price(100 gold or less a rune is what I consider a good price some sell or at least list them much higher)

tmbrinks

bmnoble wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Decon the glyphs you get and that should give you plenty. I have tones of oko essence runs as a result. People do not waste slots in traders because they do not sell for much.

It is probably better to start a new thread than necro an old thread as sometimes things have changed in game.

Oko runes tend to be one of the more valuable rune types, if your doing daily enchanting writs on multiple characters, they tend to be the one rune type that is always in short supply due to a lower drop rate compared to the other rune types used in daily writs.

Whenever I see then at a good price I buy them whether I need them yet or not, I doubt I am the only one, that's why they are so hard to find on guild stores for a good price(100 gold or less a rune is what I consider a good price some sell or at least list them much higher)

It's not because they have a lower drop rate.

it's because they are used twice during the 3 writ rotation at max tier. Once for the glyph of health, and once for the "extra" item you have to turn in.

Langdon64

Oko, Ta, Corn Flower. It's a problem if you keep your alts at low level crafting. Send them to farm surveys and it will be easier to keep in stock. That's what I do.

kringled_1

tmbrinks wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Decon the glyphs you get and that should give you plenty. I have tones of oko essence runs as a result. People do not waste slots in traders because they do not sell for much.

It is probably better to start a new thread than necro an old thread as sometimes things have changed in game.

Oko runes tend to be one of the more valuable rune types, if your doing daily enchanting writs on multiple characters, they tend to be the one rune type that is always in short supply due to a lower drop rate compared to the other rune types used in daily writs.

Whenever I see then at a good price I buy them whether I need them yet or not, I doubt I am the only one, that's why they are so hard to find on guild stores for a good price(100 gold or less a rune is what I consider a good price some sell or at least list them much higher)

It's not because they have a lower drop rate.

it's because they are used twice during the 3 writ rotation at max tier. Once for the glyph of health, and once for the "extra" item you have to turn in.

To add to this, if you have characters doing low level enchanting writs, I recommend doing them all levels 2/3 so that you are not consuming Oko excessively. (those use Makko and Deni instead).

redlink1979

If you're doing writs on a daily basis with more than one char, you need to understand that at some point you will need to farm the require mats or buy them - survey reports won't be enough to cover all your expenses.

Problem is more noticeable and will exponentially grow according to the number of chars you do writs with. If all your chars are at the same crafting ranks, the mats management problem is even more noticeable.

heaven13

kringled_1 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

bmnoble wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Decon the glyphs you get and that should give you plenty. I have tones of oko essence runs as a result. People do not waste slots in traders because they do not sell for much.

It is probably better to start a new thread than necro an old thread as sometimes things have changed in game.

Oko runes tend to be one of the more valuable rune types, if your doing daily enchanting writs on multiple characters, they tend to be the one rune type that is always in short supply due to a lower drop rate compared to the other rune types used in daily writs.

Whenever I see then at a good price I buy them whether I need them yet or not, I doubt I am the only one, that's why they are so hard to find on guild stores for a good price(100 gold or less a rune is what I consider a good price some sell or at least list them much higher)

It's not because they have a lower drop rate.

it's because they are used twice during the 3 writ rotation at max tier. Once for the glyph of health, and once for the "extra" item you have to turn in.

To add to this, if you have characters doing low level enchanting writs, I recommend doing them all levels 2/3 so that you are not consuming Oko excessively. (those use Makko and Deni instead).

This happens at quite a few levels, including max tier. So then you get to choose between doing top tier writs for master writs or removing a skill point from potency improvement so you're not using Oko. Then you have to remember to send the alts who aren't doing max level to get your surveys so you have Kura (or whatever level potency you need) or else buy it from the enchanter.

heaven13

redlink1979 wrote: »

If you're doing writs on a daily basis with more than one char, you need to understand that at some point you will need to farm the require mats or buy them - survey reports won't be enough to cover all your expenses.

Problem is more noticeable and will exponentially grow according to the number of chars you do writs with. If all your chars are at the same crafting ranks, the mats management problem is even more noticeable.

That's not the issue though. I do writs on a daily basis with all of my characters. I'm not running out of makko or deni. It's strictly the issue that oko is required 2 of 3 days, instead of 1 like the others.

I don't mind farming (or buying) when necessary. But there are 17 different essence runes you can get from a runestone. You're not guaranteed to get one of the 3 base attribute ones from anything but protean runestones (and even then you have about an equal chance between the 3). Farming isn't reliable, unlike farming for wood or silk. And NPC enchanters don't sell essence runes.

You also don't get raw mats back from turning in enchanting writs. When you turn in gear writs, you get mats and intricate or ornate gear, along with your chance at a gold mat and/or survey. However, when you turn in enchanting, you get one green glyph to decon and an empty soul gem, plus maybe a kuta and/or survey. While I do realize that consumables behave differently due to alchemy having nothing to decon or a gold upgrade mat, and provisioning's gold mat coming from fishing only, it could alleviate some issues if enchanting behaved more like gear so you received something to decon and some runes.

I mean, at this point I have more Kuta than I have Oko and that's even with listing Kuta on traders.

ShawnLaRock

I ran into the same depletive issue doing writs, but with having enough Jora for all my low-level characters.

S.

tmbrinks

heaven13 wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

If you're doing writs on a daily basis with more than one char, you need to understand that at some point you will need to farm the require mats or buy them - survey reports won't be enough to cover all your expenses.

Problem is more noticeable and will exponentially grow according to the number of chars you do writs with. If all your chars are at the same crafting ranks, the mats management problem is even more noticeable.

That's not the issue though. I do writs on a daily basis with all of my characters. I'm not running out of makko or deni. It's strictly the issue that oko is required 2 of 3 days, instead of 1 like the others.

I don't mind farming (or buying) when necessary. But there are 17 different essence runes you can get from a runestone. You're not guaranteed to get one of the 3 base attribute ones from anything but protean runestones (and even then you have about an equal chance between the 3). Farming isn't reliable, unlike farming for wood or silk. And NPC enchanters don't sell essence runes.

You also don't get raw mats back from turning in enchanting writs. When you turn in gear writs, you get mats and intricate or ornate gear, along with your chance at a gold mat and/or survey. However, when you turn in enchanting, you get one green glyph to decon and an empty soul gem, plus maybe a kuta and/or survey. While I do realize that consumables behave differently due to alchemy having nothing to decon or a gold upgrade mat, and provisioning's gold mat coming from fishing only, it could alleviate some issues if enchanting behaved more like gear so you received something to decon and some runes.

I mean, at this point I have more Kuta than I have Oko and that's even with listing Kuta on traders.

I agree for the most part, however, there is at least an upper limit on the price Oko should be because you can buy glyphs of health and decon them to get the essence runes. Not that it's guaranteed, but there is some "infinite" source there.

Writs were designed to take some materials out of the game. However, once they changed the drop rates for the WW/BS/CLOTH daily writs, those are not really accomplishing that anymore, and the prices for Ancestor Silk/Rubedo/Rubedite/Ruby Ash have plummeted as a result, since there is no scarcity in those items any more. (the expected return from those is about 28 materials, 15 automatically, and 13 from the survey (1/8 chance, ~120 materials, 85% raw -> refined)), out about 40 materials used (so a 70% return) Jewelry is about the same (7 return, 13 from the survey, for 20 total, but only takes 25 or 30 to do the writ) The differences are easy to keep up with basic farming.

Dont_do_drugs

Even with surveys and hirelings factored in, the only writ that is truly self sustaining seems to be provisioning.

+alchem

mikikatze wrote: »

I know this is an old thread, but I keep running into the Oko shortage regularly. And on pc its quite hard to purchase them from any guild merchants.

i fixed it like that:
i ran around through zones and asked wtb....i bought them for 40g per oko, its been 8x of the mm/att price. so people were really fast sending. most people just didnt think of listing oko, but there is a high amount of oko sitting in the crafting bag of a lot of people. more fun then: i got tooooo many people offering me oko and i started listing them for 80g - 100g per oko. $_$

CleymenZero

Same problem with Oko runes!

Zulera301

I run writs on 26 characters and I've never had an Oko issue. Only getting one from a survey is usually juat bad RNG, speaking as someone who has done thousands of surveys and managed to keep my stock sustainable.
I did realize at one point that there was a notable disparity between Oko and Makko/Deni, but not to the point of running low/out of the former.

Are all 15 of your characters maxed crafters? Because only 4 of mine are and I still manage to find enough surveys to keep my stocks up.

Doing lv.1 writs on some characters to sustain the higher ones is often helpful, the same way even the richest businesses still require janitors and maintenance workers. Lv.1 writs still pay gold based on character level, and they can still get surveys. Also based on my rather vast supply of runestones, I feel that Oko/Makko/Deni stones all just generally drop more often than the other essence runes, given how much higher their numbers are (and I'm not exactly going about making 2,000 frost runes or potion speed glyphs).

TL;DR—that survey of yours was a bad RNG. If you do them on all 15 every day, thr surveys should usually be enough to keep your head above water.
If not, one Kuta should give you enough gold to buy about 10-20 Oko stones on the market (NA-PC), so there's always other ways too.

pgorbas_ESO

I need a lot more OKO runes than I find. I only find them about 1 in 30 runestone searches...
ALL crafting materials for daily writs should be for sale in stores.

AlnilamE

pgorbas_ESO wrote: »

I need a lot more OKO runes than I find. I only find them about 1 in 30 runestone searches...
ALL crafting materials for daily writs should be for sale in stores.

You can buy glyphs of health and extract them.

Zulera301

I run enchanting writs on 28 characters, and I still have stocks of about 700 Oko runes.

They're definitely harder to come across, but it's otherwise RNG. I've gotten 6 or 7 from enchanting surveys before, while other times I get 0-1.

Be vigilant. Run surveys often. Harvest every runestone you see. They're pretty easy to spot considering they glow. (And it gives the world a chance to spawn a Psijic portal. :B)

Check guild stores often. Decon often. Harvest often. That's my secret to success.

Hapexamendios

I almost ran out of Oko last week. I just bought a couple stacks from guild traders. Got plenty of surveys, just too lazy to do them. 🤷🏼

Tigertron

I consider writs like a business. I buy my ingredients at the market and pay market prices then the gold I get offsets my cost and I still make money. If it were the other way no one would do them.

So I spend a couple hours every couple weeks to go to the market and stock up. If I find a good deal I will drop 200-300k and buy everything they have. I have my max that I am willing to pay for certain items and for me it's oko, corn flower and all the ruby mats. During the free ESO+ days I do my surveys and stock up. Stuff I buy from traders stays in my email until I need it. I have never had any go away even after it says it has expired.

I make about a million gold per month in just gold. If I really want more gold I could sell the master writs and gold mats but I keep them. My biggest shortages come from low refining mats. I have plenty of purple and gold but not enough green and blue.