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Account Wide
1. Currencies, crown store/daily gifts collected per character need to be consolidated and accessible with every other character like the event tickets. I mean soul gems and experience scrolls too, or maybe let those go in craftbag.
2. Skyshards collected need to be accessible to all other characters just like champion points. No one, I mean no one, wants to go through collecting those ever again.
3. Upgrades, all of them. Riding, backpack, outfits, etc.
I would like to note that I think no one should "have" to go through anything in this game twice. If you beat the game, the level and upgrades should follow to any character you want, the exception being if you WANT a character that starts from the beginning. In your hearts you know this. We can skip intros. I feel like theres a great many people wanting to try all types of races and classes, this would solve the issue of having to grind. for. years. I want to also note that skill progresses need to be carried over as well. No more having a crafter/cooker/etc, unless you want to do specific characters for specific jobs, you can just switch anyway for RP and/or OCD. Like I would.
Edited by AishavariStarling on December 8, 2018 5:30AM 1. Currencies, crown store/daily gifts collected per character need to be consolidated and accessible with every other character like the event tickets. I mean soul gems and experience scrolls too, or maybe let those go in craftbag.
2. Skyshards collected need to be accessible to all other characters just like champion points. No one, I mean no one, wants to go through collecting those ever again.
3. Upgrades, all of them. Riding, backpack, outfits, etc.
I would like to note that I think no one should "have" to go through anything in this game twice. If you beat the game, the level and upgrades should follow to any character you want, the exception being if you WANT a character that starts from the beginning. In your hearts you know this. We can skip intros. I feel like theres a great many people wanting to try all types of races and classes, this would solve the issue of having to grind. for. years. I want to also note that skill progresses need to be carried over as well. No more having a crafter/cooker/etc, unless you want to do specific characters for specific jobs, you can just switch anyway for RP and/or OCD. Like I would.
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wolf486✭✭✭✭NoPC/NASpoilerMoved onto BDO and GW2 Skyrim, ATS/ETS2, ACNH and the overall goodness of single player games
RIP to the following:
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(AD) Vukz - Bosmer - Stamblade (lvl 50)25 -
Not a helpful perspective but congratulations on knowing a word.Don't look into someone's eyes, if you fear what they'll see in yours.30
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✭✭✭✭✭1. What do you mean by consolidated. Clearly I am missing something because the first point makes no sense.
2. Well, second point makes even less sense. Sky shards are not a currency so comparing them to the AP currency is not a wise choice. Sky Shards are more like the AP points for a characters ranks which is not shared by all characters..
Besides neither point making sense I see the point being made, sort of. So besides a muddy message, it also lacks a reason that would be compelling to Zos to make a change. The I want it that way or it takes to much effort are not exactly an irresistible reason after several years and a great many alts rolled.
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wolf486✭✭✭✭There are already enough of these posts already, one word is all that's needed.PC/NASpoilerMoved onto BDO and GW2 Skyrim, ATS/ETS2, ACNH and the overall goodness of single player games
RIP to the following:
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I would like to see developer responses if you know anywhere they've replied. I've been looking at this forever too, if you don't want to see it just read something else. If you have an actual opinion on this, then you should respond.Don't look into someone's eyes, if you fear what they'll see in yours.8
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Abigail✭✭✭✭✭[sarcasm]Why not put a $300 pill in the Crown Store that would max everything on a character immediately?[/sarcasm]
I think the main reason ZOS will never implement more account-wide items is because people will get bored more quickly and quit. And ZOS knows the trickshot in moneymaking is keeping players around longer so they can buy all the cheezy crap that appears in the Crown Store, crates especially. I've no doubt whatsever that ZOS has someone on staff who specializes in player tolerance. Players won't tolerate character-based CP points, but they will tolerate achievements and character-based Skyshards, even though they carp about it endlessly.4 -
Consolidated meaning all somewhere every character can access it. For event tickets, no matter what character won them, all characters could use them, without banking etc. All currencies should be viable this way. XP scrolls and potions from cstore seem also silly to be single character access. These take away from silly not-so-bad-but-repetative tasks.
Skyshards, I meant need accessible like champion points.
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Lots of players already buy character slots in order to play those characters fully, including getting achievements on them without which those players would have less incentive to run multiple characters.
Whenever this comes up there's s a split between those who play a main plus alts, and for whom account-wide achievements are preferred, and those who play multiple characters who are all equal and individual, and for whom character-specific achievements are preferred. ZOS strikes a good balance between these two approaches by having some things like champion points, collections and dye unlocks account-wide and other things like most achievements character-specific.
I've nothing against a separate achievement display accessed from the character selection screen showing all the achievements across the account and which character first earned them, and there could be additional achievements recognising when they have been completed across the account, but with all characters still having to complete an achievement in order to benefit from its reward.
This is the best response Ive seen for a post like this, I just still feel like people should have the option to play it the way they want to. If they want alts simply for asthetic, or if theyre doing it for the feeling of accomplishment. We both exist.Don't look into someone's eyes, if you fear what they'll see in yours.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AishavariStarling wrote: »I would like to see developer responses if you know anywhere they've replied. I've been looking at this forever too, if you don't want to see it just read something else. If you have an actual opinion on this, then you should respond.
Devs are not going to respond to this if they have nothing to day. Besides being a confusing post it offers, if you are trying to say what I think you are trying to say it offers nothing that has not been said before and better.2 -
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✭✭A response to each:
1. If the in-game banks are too far to walk/ride to deposit things, there is a banker offered in the crown store.
2. Collecting skyshards equals gaining skill points. Skill points are aptly named due to the fact they purchase usuable skills. Having all the points from skyshards for a new character on an established account would put brand new players on brand new accounts at a disadvantage because they have not collected all of them.
3. Banking upgrades are already account wide. Bag and mount training upgrades serve as gold sinks which along with other gold sinks (skill Respec, CP Respec, etc.) helps to stabilize the in-game economy.
In conclusion, making these things account wide will not improve the game in any way; infact quite the opposite. As an alternative, there are many p2w MMOs that have everything that is being requested in the op."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard10 -
Siohwenoeht wrote: »A response to each:
1. If the in-game banks are too far to walk/ride to deposit things, there is a banker offered in the crown store.
2. Collecting skyshards equals gaining skill points. Skill points are aptly named due to the fact they purchase usuable skills. Having all the points from skyshards for a new character on an established account would put brand new players on brand new accounts at a disadvantage because they have not collected all of them.
3. Banking upgrades are already account wide. Bag and mount training upgrades serve as gold sinks which along with other gold sinks (skill Respec, CP Respec, etc.) helps to stabilize the in-game economy.
In conclusion, making these things account wide will not improve the game in any way; infact quite the opposite. As an alternative, there are many p2w MMOs that have everything that is being requested in the op.
1. Obviously, as I said its not hard just a minimal useless tedium.
2. Brand new players are always disadvantaged. If you leveled a character and every skill once, and had it for each new alt (it starting at lvl 50), it wouldnt make a difference. You still had to work for it.
3. This actually seems like a valid point, even though the game is just throwing gold at you now. In any case its never taken me more than a week to get my alts bags up all the way. Riding training also isnt an issue, its just set up to take half a year to get those finished.Don't look into someone's eyes, if you fear what they'll see in yours.2 -
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✭✭Shared Soul Gems and shared Potions don't seem like too bad of an idea, even if it only applied to trash potions. However, tons of players either have, or has access via group the expensive banker which solves a fair amount of convenience issues that used to disrupt the flow of gameplay.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This sounds like it would make alts pretty pointless.
Maybe they could offer an item in the crown store for people who want to skip actually playing their new character to copy progress over from an existing one, but forcing it on everyone would disappoint a lot of people I think.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭✭AishavariStarling wrote: »Account Wide
1. Currencies, crown store/daily gifts collected per character need to be consolidated and accessible with every other character like the event tickets. I mean soul gems and experience scrolls too, or maybe let those go in craftbag.
2. Skyshards collected need to be accessible to all other characters just like champion points. No one, I mean no one, wants to go through collecting those ever again.
3. Upgrades, all of them. Riding, backpack, outfits, etc.
I would like to note that I think no one should "have" to go through anything in this game twice. If you beat the game, the level and upgrades should follow to any character you want, the exception being if you WANT a character that starts from the beginning. In your hearts you know this. We can skip intros. I feel like theres a great many people wanting to try all types of races and classes, this would solve the issue of having to grind. for. years. I want to also note that skill progresses need to be carried over as well. No more having a crafter/cooker/etc, unless you want to do specific characters for specific jobs, you can just switch anyway for RP and/or OCD. Like I would.
This wasnt the best idea. Things like this just trigger people who have spent countless hours grinding all this stuff. They dont want things to be easier because they had to already work for it. Same thing with CP ranks. I wonder how many people with multiple v16 characters lost there minds when zos changed the system
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But regardless it will never happen. Zos will never go out of there way to do more than they have to. And im someone who has 12 characters with 3 deleted ones gone. All max levels with thousands of hours of grinding for these things on xbox without the precious lorebook and skyshard tracker that makes pc players lives soooo incredibly easy.. I just think that if its for the better then who cares if I had to do before.
But i dont agree with everything you said. Really the only thing i do agree with is skyrshards.. That should have never been a grind that you had to do on multiple characters. Id even say guild levels too. Once you level a guild you should not have to do it again.. But thats where it stops for me. Regardless, like i said, it will never happen. Zos will not do more than they have to and if it loses them even one person buying something off the crown store, like mount upgrades, then you will never see it.3 -
Thorstienn✭✭✭This sounds like it would make alts pretty pointless.
Maybe they could offer an item in the crown store for people who want to skip actually playing their new character to copy progress over from an existing one, but forcing it on everyone would disappoint a lot of people I think.
I'm not sure why "anti-account bound" always seem to think this way.
Alts are obviously not pointless as they are different classes, roles, playstyles (PvE/PVP etc). In fact not having to re-brand everything makes it even easier to design a character for one specific role/playstyle.
I find it insulting when it's implied I "want to skip actually playing the character". Quite the opposite! I (we?) Want to "skip" wasting hours of our time re-collecting/grinding stuff that has no real gameplay purpose, so that instead we can start "actually playing the character" in the content we want; dungeons, trials and PVP.
But it doesn't matter. The anti will win. Because game companies think forcing players to grind mean they stay in game longer. I play less now, as I find it a drag slowly working away at MG, FG, Psijic and Skyshards for the umpteenth time. I dont know why they have so little faith in the quality of their actual content, that thru think everyone would just quit, if the "alt" leveling process was a little smoother.
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✭✭✭I dont think it will happen but would be nice.
Skyshards, lorebooks, guild grinding are all chores. some of the guild quests are fun but never the 5th time you complete them and even then the guild stories have a bunch of pointless filler that isnt anyones definition of fun. They dont feel like progression, the go here do this come back feel like filler and busy work.
The upgrades i agree too,. While horse and bank I could see a since of progression and "refining" the character, ultimately they are just a waste of gold and horse training is the worst with the wait time. It will take 120 (Ill ignore mount carrying capacity as its not essential) days to get a horse to max, I notice improvements to speed and stamina around 40 so lets say 80 days from creating a new character to having its mount stats not feel awful. thats like 4 months. Outfit slots should be character wide, no real reason other than they feel like a rip off.0 -
Hoolielulu✭✭✭✭✭I don't mind getting shards again. I'm going places I haven't been to in ages.
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✭✭✭✭✭Is that other thread talking about these sorts of things already wearing out?AishavariStarling wrote: »Account Wide
1. Currencies, crown store/daily gifts collected per character need to be consolidated and accessible with every other character like the event tickets. I mean soul gems and experience scrolls too, or maybe let those go in craftbag.
2. Skyshards collected need to be accessible to all other characters just like champion points. No one, I mean no one, wants to go through collecting those ever again.
3. Upgrades, all of them. Riding, backpack, outfits, etc.
1. Crown Store purchases at the account level need to be shared across SERVERS. At the character level, not necessary.
2. No to Skyshards, Achievements, Skill points, XP, and everything else that is currently character bound. Just "NO".
3. No.
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Hoolielulu✭✭✭✭✭Honestly, can these sorts of things just be titled: I Want To Nerf The Entire Game2
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✭✭I say yes.
I'm tired of collecting things I've done plenty of times. It discourages me from even making alts.
New guys will always be behind those that have more time in game.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I say yes.
I'm tired of collecting things I've done plenty of times. It discourages me from even making alts.
New guys will always be behind those that have more time in game.
As they should be. That doesn't mean that they can't play, or even play with others - One Tamriel does a great job in that respect - it simply means that they can't (and shouldn't) have everything on Day One that others have spent months or even years accumulating.3 -
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✭AishavariStarling wrote: »Account Wide
1. Currencies, crown store/daily gifts collected per character need to be consolidated and accessible with every other character like the event tickets. I mean soul gems and experience scrolls too, or maybe let those go in craftbag.
2. Skyshards collected need to be accessible to all other characters just like champion points. No one, I mean no one, wants to go through collecting those ever again.
3. Upgrades, all of them. Riding, backpack, outfits, etc.
I would like to note that I think no one should "have" to go through anything in this game twice. If you beat the game, the level and upgrades should follow to any character you want, the exception being if you WANT a character that starts from the beginning. In your hearts you know this. We can skip intros. I feel like theres a great many people wanting to try all types of races and classes, this would solve the issue of having to grind. for. years. I want to also note that skill progresses need to be carried over as well. No more having a crafter/cooker/etc, unless you want to do specific characters for specific jobs, you can just switch anyway for RP and/or OCD. Like I would.
No, I'm sorry, starting a new character with tons on skill points, no thanks. As for exp scrolls and soul gems....put them in the back to transfer themIGN: Ki'rah
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✭✭✭✭✭AishavariStarling wrote: »Account Wide
...another of those "gimme" discussions, so soon?
You can put ALL of those in your shared bank. ALL of the above.AishavariStarling wrote: »1. Currencies, crown store/daily gifts collected per character need to be consolidated and accessible with every other character like the event tickets. I mean soul gems and experience scrolls too, or maybe let those go in craftbag.
How friggin lazy can you get???
Then those who don't feel like collecting them again will just have to do without all those skill points on their alts. Simple.AishavariStarling wrote: »2. Skyshards collected need to be accessible to all other characters just like champion points. No one, I mean no one, wants to go through collecting those ever again.
Also, I enjoy picking them up again, its like memory training! And I know from prior discussions there are quite a few people like me who would not want the skyshards to be account wide, so... you kinda showed the value of your words with that false statement.
And besides... IF they ever will do something in this regard, they will sell it for mucho crowno. See how their riding training costs, imagine something similar for all the skyshards and you have the best you can hope for.Imagine it - 1000 crowns for a regions worth of skyshards, 5000 crowns for an alliance worth; does that still sound like such a great idea?
Not gonna happen.AishavariStarling wrote: »3. Upgrades, all of them. Riding, backpack, outfits, etc.
They sell those in the crown store for the ones with more money then patience, so giving them out for free to all would not be in their best interests. Both for future sales, and for vexation of those who spent crowns on this and feel defrauded if something they spent cash store currency on suddenly becomes free for all...
You don't -have- to. Noone is pointing a gun to your head and "forcing" you to make a second character. Its entirely up to YOU if you think it worth the effort, or not.AishavariStarling wrote: »I would like to note that I think no one should "have" to go through anything in this game twice.
And as I often keep saying...
...if its worth it to you, well, then you will spend the effort, on your main and any of your alts you deem worthy.
...if it isn't worth spending the effort to you, then you will have to do without on this or that character, main or alt.
Simple.
...which would not benefit ZOS at all.AishavariStarling wrote: »If you beat the game, the level and upgrades should follow to any character you want...
I mean, I get it, some people just thinkt hey are entitled to all the effect without the effort. And when they see that getting stuff on a second character needs putting in the work a second time... they get to whining about it how great it would be for them to get everything account wide so they could have it all as many times as they wanted without spending any additional effort.
And none who keep asking for that sort of thing mention how it would be a benefit to ZOS... because as I said, it would NOT!!! ZOS is not here to make a game to entertain people, they exist to make -profit-; and making a game that entertains people is just the way they have choosen to go about getting that profit.
And in the end that means, noone at ZOS will be likely to do anything that cuts their own throat, income-wise, because if they did the suits in charge would fire them so hard, they'd never get a job in that industry.
So, at best you can expect sime incentives to sub (crafting bag, double bank and such), and some free stuff as a "first taste is gratis" incentive to spend crowns on your characters eventually...
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✭I only play one character and always will because I hate the grind. Some people say it's not that bad, and compared to some other games I agree but it doesnt mean it's fine.
I only play pvp, I would like to just level a character up and be able ot jump right in. But no I have to get to 50, get all my skillines to to 50 and level/morph all the skills, farm lots of skyshards, level alchemy and provisioning again, farm the annoying psijic skill line, farm the annoying undaunted skill line and wait 120 days just to have my mount speed and stamina up. I didn't even like doing it the first time.Edited by Crixus8000 on December 8, 2018 3:35PM4 -
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✭✭✭1) Don't care about XP scrolls, pots, lockpicks, etc. If they were shared, it wouldn't affect me at all.
2) To all the people complaining that making Skyshards collected account wide, arguing that they would make a new character grossly overpowered, you fail to consider that you will NEVER be using all those points immediately. You still need to level up skill lines, meaning collecting Lorebooks for Mages Guild, doing Dungeons for Undaunted, and actually leveling up every other skill line you intend to use. at most, you will unlock the 1st skill of all your skill lines and have a completed skill bar at level 1 as opposed to level 5, which is hardly much of a difference since just doing the tutorial is enough to get you 3-4 skill points from leveling and as the quest reward for Summerset/Morrowind that you'll have a full skill bar almost immediately anyways. Sure, you might have a handful of passives unlocked but realistically, you won't be any more grossly overpowered than what CP is already giving you. The argument is flawed, all I'm saying.
3) Mount speed is all I care about to be shared. Bag upgrade I could take or leave it.Argonian forever5
