Snipe needs to affect the caster’s ability to cloak.
One option would be to make it always crit and then lower the tooltip dmg... those sniping not from cloak would see a dmg decrease, but those sniping from regular visible states would see dmg stay the same.
Or make the snipe channel pull the target out of cloak (rather than on dmg being done)
ZarkingFrued wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »If you're constantly dying from snipe, then you're doing it wrong. There's alot of things wrong with PvP, but snipe isn't even the top 20 of them.
It's much easier to throw an insult than suggest a solution. If you dont get killed by random snipers then I can only assume you play in groups where the problem is not a problem
Many people are providing solutions, but if you are repeatedly getting hit with 14K snipes, it sounds more like you don't have any defense.
And you comment about dodge rolling after death completely misses the part where I said outside of laggy situations.
So learn to play. Learn to adjust. Learn to PVP. Rather than coming here and acting like a child about an ability you don't know, and refuse to learn, how to counter.
In case you actually want suggestions of a solution and not just blind agreement, here are some counters to snipe:
Dodge Roll
Line of Sight
Radiant Magelight (Reduces damage from stealth and prevents stun from stealth)
Shield
Back bar a bow and snipe them back.
DK's Wings
Warden's Crystallized Shield
Nightblade Cloak
Sorc Shield
Templar ritual to purge defile, Eclipse to prevent more snipes
what happens when your character falls dead and starts sliding, and half a second after.. you can hear the 3 snipe sounds all at once that should have came before you died and started sliding? XD
Tell me how to avoid a health desync
Should I dodge roll while looking at recap?
Maybe try and hit wings looking at the recap?
get outta here sniper
You realize that burst damage can happen with any skill combo without any way to react.
And again, because you appear to have a reading comprehension problem. I have said multiple times, lag is an issue. The health desync, multiple snipes landing at once issue, is a lag issue. Not a snipe issue. If this were a fix snipe post, I would recommend that the lag issue be fixed. But this isn't that. This is a no talent player complaining about a skill that he refuses to learn to play against.
And the biggest problem is you and sitting here acting like you are being killed left and right by snipe all the time. I highly doubt that. Maybe once or twice in a few hours sure. Which is hardly enough to have this much of an anurism over a single skill. And if it is more than that, you are just a trash player.
ZarkingFrued wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »If you're constantly dying from snipe, then you're doing it wrong. There's alot of things wrong with PvP, but snipe isn't even the top 20 of them.
It's much easier to throw an insult than suggest a solution. If you dont get killed by random snipers then I can only assume you play in groups where the problem is not a problem
Many people are providing solutions, but if you are repeatedly getting hit with 14K snipes, it sounds more like you don't have any defense.
And you comment about dodge rolling after death completely misses the part where I said outside of laggy situations.
So learn to play. Learn to adjust. Learn to PVP. Rather than coming here and acting like a child about an ability you don't know, and refuse to learn, how to counter.
In case you actually want suggestions of a solution and not just blind agreement, here are some counters to snipe:
Dodge Roll
Line of Sight
Radiant Magelight (Reduces damage from stealth and prevents stun from stealth)
Shield
Back bar a bow and snipe them back.
DK's Wings
Warden's Crystallized Shield
Nightblade Cloak
Sorc Shield
Templar ritual to purge defile, Eclipse to prevent more snipes
If snipe truly was so difficult to avoid, you can guarantee 90% of Cyrodil would be using it.
If this skill actually was OP, Cyrodil would be filled with bow-weilding wood elf NB's.
But it isn't, and there is a reason why not:
The reason 90% of cyrodil is not using snipe is that is is a wasted slot vs skilled players.
As far as lag ... yeah lots of skills kill you because of lag. Are you saying we should start eliminating skills because people get killed by lag?
And before you even go there ... no, I am not a snipe user - I prefer the flexibility and survivability of magblade play style over stamblade.
If snipe truly was so difficult to avoid, you can guarantee 90% of Cyrodil would be using it.
If this skill actually was OP, Cyrodil would be filled with bow-weilding wood elf NB's.
But it isn't, and there is a reason why not:
The reason 90% of cyrodil is not using snipe is that is is a wasted slot vs skilled players.
As far as lag ... yeah lots of skills kill you because of lag. Are you saying we should start eliminating skills because people get killed by lag?
And before you even go there ... no, I am not a snipe user - I prefer the flexibility and survivability of magblade play style over stamblade.
I think everyone can agree on this compromises.
Make snipe and ultimate and rapid fire a spammable. Adjust the damage tool tips as necessary. Snipe is on par with abilities like berserkers strike and incap. So why not adjust its tool tips and make it an ultimate.
Making rapid fire a spammable while adjusting the tool tips will make bis a lot more viable in everything rather than it just consist of snipe spammers.
Could do X amount of damage ever .5 seconds and not have a cast time like snipe.
Making snipe an ultimate will make bow require more skill than It actually does. You’ll have to have a proper rotation for the bow and it would likely be more enjoyable.
Now. A guilty pleasure of mine would be that zos just completely nerfs snipe to the ground and I’d enjoy seeing all the snipe spammer tears. But for the sake of balancing the game. Adjustment to the bow would be a far better option.
Cloak and Snipe have nothing to do with eachother.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Cloak and Snipe have nothing to do with eachother.
While I dont necessarily advocate deleting snipe from the game, this comment is bordering on the absurd. It's not going to kill really good players more often than not, but the ability to unleash an insane amount of damage from range and then simply disappear off the map is the reason why people hate snipe so much. The problem is of course compounded because snipe is actually broken (not broken OP just broken). The number of times I have had multiple snipes hit at the same time is more than I can count.
Here is an idea. Make is so casting snipe prevents you from cloaking for 5 seconds. Then you will see just how much these skills have to do with each other. Haha.
To that point, cloak is for more OP than snipe. In fact, I believe cloak to be the most overpowered skill in all of Cyro. It allowed a class with the most burst potential to disengage a fight at will, reset, and try again. If your main attack is ranged (snipe), none of the counters do much of anything.
Anotherone773 wrote: »There have been 47 thousand thread for this exact same non problem. It has been concluded that its a L2P issue.
Yeah, because there's absolutely no L2P issues in the following rotation:
Cloak - >snipe > snipe > snipe > Cloak > cloak
Lol give me a *** break my cat could walk across my keyboard and come up with a more skilful rotation than the thumbless *** that abuse that skill.
You could dodge roll immediately when you get hit with the first snipe, and the LOS. I don't die to snipe much on its own. And outside of players not paying attention, or seriously laggy conditions, it is hard to land 2 snipes in a row.
I do find it funny that people complain about the spamming of one skill, and then they come in on their dks or wardens, or templars, spamming whip and birds and jabs like they aren't just hitting the same button repeatedly as well.
Snipe needs to affect the caster’s ability to cloak.
One option would be to make it always crit and then lower the tooltip dmg... those sniping not from cloak would see a dmg decrease, but those sniping from regular visible states would see dmg stay the same.
Or make the snipe channel pull the target out of cloak (rather than on dmg being done)
Anotherone773 wrote: »There have been 47 thousand thread for this exact same non problem. It has been concluded that its a L2P issue.
Yeah, because there's absolutely no L2P issues in the following rotation:
Cloak - >snipe > snipe > snipe > Cloak > cloak
Lol give me a *** break my cat could walk across my keyboard and come up with a more skilful rotation than the thumbless *** that abuse that skill.
You could dodge roll immediately when you get hit with the first snipe, and the LOS. I don't die to snipe much on its own. And outside of players not paying attention, or seriously laggy conditions, it is hard to land 2 snipes in a row.
I do find it funny that people complain about the spamming of one skill, and then they come in on their dks or wardens, or templars, spamming whip and birds and jabs like they aren't just hitting the same button repeatedly as well.
But they're spamming those abilities in your face, where you can hit them back. There is some risk involved and you need skill to learn to defend yourself.
When you're spamming snipe from 40m away and cloak as soon as someone is heading your way, relying on your team to kill this chaser, there is ABSOLUTELY no skill involved.
It's funny to hear this ''L2P'' bs from the playstyle that requires no skill at all.
And no, when you're engaged in melee combat with someone, you can't spam 2-3 roll dodges in a row to evade those 2 sniper cowards, half a map away.
Anotherone773 wrote: »There have been 47 thousand thread for this exact same non problem. It has been concluded that its a L2P issue.
Yeah, because there's absolutely no L2P issues in the following rotation:
Cloak - >snipe > snipe > snipe > Cloak > cloak
Lol give me a *** break my cat could walk across my keyboard and come up with a more skilful rotation than the thumbless *** that abuse that skill.
You could dodge roll immediately when you get hit with the first snipe, and the LOS. I don't die to snipe much on its own. And outside of players not paying attention, or seriously laggy conditions, it is hard to land 2 snipes in a row.
I do find it funny that people complain about the spamming of one skill, and then they come in on their dks or wardens, or templars, spamming whip and birds and jabs like they aren't just hitting the same button repeatedly as well.
But they're spamming those abilities in your face, where you can hit them back. There is some risk involved and you need skill to learn to defend yourself.
When you're spamming snipe from 40m away and cloak as soon as someone is heading your way, relying on your team to kill this chaser, there is ABSOLUTELY no skill involved.
It's funny to hear this ''L2P'' bs from the playstyle that requires no skill at all.
And no, when you're engaged in melee combat with someone, you can't spam 2-3 roll dodges in a row to evade those 2 sniper cowards, half a map away.
And if you would read above, this is not a snipe problem, it is more of a cloak problem. Every one of my arguments have been from a Snipe only standpoint. Every single one. And every anti-snipe argument is really just complaining about nightblades.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Cloak and Snipe have nothing to do with eachother.
While I dont necessarily advocate deleting snipe from the game, this comment is bordering on the absurd. It's not going to kill really good players more often than not, but the ability to unleash an insane amount of damage from range and then simply disappear off the map is the reason why people hate snipe so much. The problem is of course compounded because snipe is actually broken (not broken OP just broken). The number of times I have had multiple snipes hit at the same time is more than I can count.
Here is an idea. Make is so casting snipe prevents you from cloaking for 5 seconds. Then you will see just how much these skills have to do with each other. Haha.
To that point, cloak is for more OP than snipe. In fact, I believe cloak to be the most overpowered skill in all of Cyro. It allowed a class with the most burst potential to disengage a fight at will, reset, and try again. If your main attack is ranged (snipe), none of the counters do much of anything.
I actually do agree that Cloak is pretty OP in most situations. However, to be clear, my comment about how Snipe and Cloak have nothing to do with eachother was directed to this line in the OP's initial post:
"No one should have access to cloaking around and two hitting people from massive distances."
My point being, just because Nightblade's use Cloak and Snipe together doesn't mean that snipe should be evaluated through that lens. Every other class can and does use snipe. So trying to balance snipe because of its interaction with cloak is stupid and only works to hurt the ability on other class that do not have cloak.
ZarkingFrued wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »If you're constantly dying from snipe, then you're doing it wrong. There's alot of things wrong with PvP, but snipe isn't even the top 20 of them.
It's much easier to throw an insult than suggest a solution. If you dont get killed by random snipers then I can only assume you play in groups where the problem is not a problem
Many people are providing solutions, but if you are repeatedly getting hit with 14K snipes, it sounds more like you don't have any defense.
And you comment about dodge rolling after death completely misses the part where I said outside of laggy situations.
So learn to play. Learn to adjust. Learn to PVP. Rather than coming here and acting like a child about an ability you don't know, and refuse to learn, how to counter.
In case you actually want suggestions of a solution and not just blind agreement, here are some counters to snipe:
Dodge Roll
Line of Sight
Radiant Magelight (Reduces damage from stealth and prevents stun from stealth)
Shield
Back bar a bow and snipe them back.
DK's Wings
Warden's Crystallized Shield
Nightblade Cloak
Sorc Shield
Templar ritual to purge defile, Eclipse to prevent more snipes
what happens when your character falls dead and starts sliding, and half a second after.. you can hear the 3 snipe sounds all at once that should have came before you died and started sliding? XD
Tell me how to avoid a health desync
Should I dodge roll while looking at recap?
Maybe try and hit wings looking at the recap?
get outta here sniper
You realize that burst damage can happen with any skill combo without any way to react.
And again, because you appear to have a reading comprehension problem. I have said multiple times, lag is an issue. The health desync, multiple snipes landing at once issue, is a lag issue. Not a snipe issue. If this were a fix snipe post, I would recommend that the lag issue be fixed. But this isn't that. This is a no talent player complaining about a skill that he refuses to learn to play against.
And the biggest problem is you and sitting here acting like you are being killed left and right by snipe all the time. I highly doubt that. Maybe once or twice in a few hours sure. Which is hardly enough to have this much of an anurism over a single skill. And if it is more than that, you are just a trash player.
Snipe needs to affect the caster’s ability to cloak.
One option would be to make it always crit and then lower the tooltip dmg... those sniping not from cloak would see a dmg decrease, but those sniping from regular visible states would see dmg stay the same.
Or make the snipe channel pull the target out of cloak (rather than on dmg being done)
ZarkingFrued wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »If you're constantly dying from snipe, then you're doing it wrong. There's alot of things wrong with PvP, but snipe isn't even the top 20 of them.
It's much easier to throw an insult than suggest a solution. If you dont get killed by random snipers then I can only assume you play in groups where the problem is not a problem
Many people are providing solutions, but if you are repeatedly getting hit with 14K snipes, it sounds more like you don't have any defense.
And you comment about dodge rolling after death completely misses the part where I said outside of laggy situations.
So learn to play. Learn to adjust. Learn to PVP. Rather than coming here and acting like a child about an ability you don't know, and refuse to learn, how to counter.
In case you actually want suggestions of a solution and not just blind agreement, here are some counters to snipe:
Dodge Roll
Line of Sight
Radiant Magelight (Reduces damage from stealth and prevents stun from stealth)
Shield
Back bar a bow and snipe them back.
DK's Wings
Warden's Crystallized Shield
Nightblade Cloak
Sorc Shield
Templar ritual to purge defile, Eclipse to prevent more snipes
what happens when your character falls dead and starts sliding, and half a second after.. you can hear the 3 snipe sounds all at once that should have came before you died and started sliding? XD
Tell me how to avoid a health desync
Should I dodge roll while looking at recap?
Maybe try and hit wings looking at the recap?
get outta here sniper
You realize that burst damage can happen with any skill combo without any way to react.
And again, because you appear to have a reading comprehension problem. I have said multiple times, lag is an issue. The health desync, multiple snipes landing at once issue, is a lag issue. Not a snipe issue. If this were a fix snipe post, I would recommend that the lag issue be fixed. But this isn't that. This is a no talent player complaining about a skill that he refuses to learn to play against.
And the biggest problem is you and sitting here acting like you are being killed left and right by snipe all the time. I highly doubt that. Maybe once or twice in a few hours sure. Which is hardly enough to have this much of an anurism over a single skill. And if it is more than that, you are just a trash player.
ZarkingFrued wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »If you're constantly dying from snipe, then you're doing it wrong. There's alot of things wrong with PvP, but snipe isn't even the top 20 of them.
It's much easier to throw an insult than suggest a solution. If you dont get killed by random snipers then I can only assume you play in groups where the problem is not a problem
Many people are providing solutions, but if you are repeatedly getting hit with 14K snipes, it sounds more like you don't have any defense.
And you comment about dodge rolling after death completely misses the part where I said outside of laggy situations.
So learn to play. Learn to adjust. Learn to PVP. Rather than coming here and acting like a child about an ability you don't know, and refuse to learn, how to counter.
In case you actually want suggestions of a solution and not just blind agreement, here are some counters to snipe:
Dodge Roll
Line of Sight
Radiant Magelight (Reduces damage from stealth and prevents stun from stealth)
Shield
Back bar a bow and snipe them back.
DK's Wings
Warden's Crystallized Shield
Nightblade Cloak
Sorc Shield
Templar ritual to purge defile, Eclipse to prevent more snipes
what happens when your character falls dead and starts sliding, and half a second after.. you can hear the 3 snipe sounds all at once that should have came before you died and started sliding? XD
Tell me how to avoid a health desync
Should I dodge roll while looking at recap?
Maybe try and hit wings looking at the recap?
get outta here sniper
You realize that burst damage can happen with any skill combo without any way to react.
And again, because you appear to have a reading comprehension problem. I have said multiple times, lag is an issue. The health desync, multiple snipes landing at once issue, is a lag issue. Not a snipe issue. If this were a fix snipe post, I would recommend that the lag issue be fixed. But this isn't that. This is a no talent player complaining about a skill that he refuses to learn to play against.
And the biggest problem is you and sitting here acting like you are being killed left and right by snipe all the time. I highly doubt that. Maybe once or twice in a few hours sure. Which is hardly enough to have this much of an anurism over a single skill. And if it is more than that, you are just a trash player.
Anotherone773 wrote: »There have been 47 thousand thread for this exact same non problem. It has been concluded that its a L2P issue.
starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »If you're constantly dying from snipe, then you're doing it wrong. There's alot of things wrong with PvP, but snipe isn't even the top 20 of them.
Cloak and Snipe have nothing to do with eachother.
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Archers snipe, archers use light attacks, that's what we do in all mmo's, that's what long range classes do.
your trying to strip away everything archers do.
please stoppit.
Why don't we just NERF everything. Then everyone can just stand around with their thumbs up their butts and throw stinkers at one another. Then just wait someone will complain someone else's Stinker is overpowered and cry NERF that too. Sick and tired of the nerf this or nerf that threads by players who get mad because they are getting killed in Cyrodiil and blame it on a skill.
Oh boy. Here we go. The famous "I'm gonna call you a child and insult your intelligence as a human being while asserting my superiority in video games by saying you dont know how to play" argument. I think you may be the one showing your level of immaturity with this comment. 14k tooltip unmitigated generally. So it hits anywhere from 7-10k on most builds. I'll admit saying 14k outright is an exaggeration, but I wouldnt be on a forum discussing a skill in a game if I did not have a broad knowledge of the game and counterplay options for the skill. I ignored your "outside of laggy situations" comment because snipe is a laggy skill. Something is wrong with it. Honestly I would have this discussion with you, but it seems you take the low road when someone says something you dont agree with.ZarkingFrued wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »If you're constantly dying from snipe, then you're doing it wrong. There's alot of things wrong with PvP, but snipe isn't even the top 20 of them.
It's much easier to throw an insult than suggest a solution. If you dont get killed by random snipers then I can only assume you play in groups where the problem is not a problem
Many people are providing solutions, but if you are repeatedly getting hit with 14K snipes, it sounds more like you don't have any defense.
And you comment about dodge rolling after death completely misses the part where I said outside of laggy situations.
So learn to play. Learn to adjust. Learn to PVP. Rather than coming here and acting like a child about an ability you don't know, and refuse to learn, how to counter.
In case you actually want suggestions of a solution and not just blind agreement, here are some counters to snipe:
Dodge Roll
Line of Sight
Radiant Magelight (Reduces damage from stealth and prevents stun from stealth)
Shield
Back bar a bow and snipe them back.
DK's Wings
Warden's Crystallized Shield
Nightblade Cloak
Sorc Shield
Templar ritual to purge defile, Eclipse to prevent more snipes
ZarkingFrued wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »If you're constantly dying from snipe, then you're doing it wrong. There's alot of things wrong with PvP, but snipe isn't even the top 20 of them.
It's much easier to throw an insult than suggest a solution. If you dont get killed by random snipers then I can only assume you play in groups where the problem is not a problem
Many people are providing solutions, but if you are repeatedly getting hit with 14K snipes, it sounds more like you don't have any defense.
And you comment about dodge rolling after death completely misses the part where I said outside of laggy situations.
So learn to play. Learn to adjust. Learn to PVP. Rather than coming here and acting like a child about an ability you don't know, and refuse to learn, how to counter.
In case you actually want suggestions of a solution and not just blind agreement, here are some counters to snipe:
Dodge Roll
Line of Sight
Radiant Magelight (Reduces damage from stealth and prevents stun from stealth)
Shield
Back bar a bow and snipe them back.
DK's Wings
Warden's Crystallized Shield
Nightblade Cloak
Sorc Shield
Templar ritual to purge defile, Eclipse to prevent more snipes
what happens when your character falls dead and starts sliding, and half a second after.. you can hear the 3 snipe sounds all at once that should have came before you died and started sliding? XD
Tell me how to avoid a health desync
Should I dodge roll while looking at recap?
Maybe try and hit wings looking at the recap?
get outta here sniper
You realize that burst damage can happen with any skill combo without any way to react.
And again, because you appear to have a reading comprehension problem. I have said multiple times, lag is an issue. The health desync, multiple snipes landing at once issue, is a lag issue. Not a snipe issue. If this were a fix snipe post, I would recommend that the lag issue be fixed. But this isn't that. This is a no talent player complaining about a skill that he refuses to learn to play against.
And the biggest problem is you and sitting here acting like you are being killed left and right by snipe all the time. I highly doubt that. Maybe once or twice in a few hours sure. Which is hardly enough to have this much of an anurism over a single skill. And if it is more than that, you are just a trash player.