Master's Bow needs a big nerf and Ballista Ultimate as well

technohic

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Does ball streak work on barrage as a projectile?

As far as i know, Ballista can be absorbed/ reflected. But Toxic Barrage cannot be.

Interesting. So if 1 were to really look for a counter, I'd be curious to know this. I'd also be curious of what happens if another enemy walks between the ballista 2nd tge original target, who gets hit? I'm assuming the original target since it is a targeted ultimate but stranger things happen in ESO.

Mr_Walker

Zos, can we please just cut to the end chase, can you remove all procs, skills and ultimates from PvP, just leave them with LA and HA.

Zeromaz

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Does ball streak work on barrage as a projectile?

As far as i know, Ballista can be absorbed/ reflected. But Toxic Barrage cannot be.

Toxic can be reflected

LeHarrt91

Zeromaz wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Does ball streak work on barrage as a projectile?

As far as i know, Ballista can be absorbed/ reflected. But Toxic Barrage cannot be.

Toxic can be reflected

oh good to know.

Gnozo

nsmurfer wrote: »

Sky_WK wrote: »

Break free -> Dodge roll

SupremeRissole wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

Give me a single counter to ballista+Bow proc when you are already CCed.

- break free and shield
- streak to cover (LoS)

These counters may seem on paper but is ridiculous in combat.

So you are saying my effective counter is:-
1) cc break + dodge roll at least three. that costs easily around 20k stamina to counter a single combo.
2) cc break + shield spam to eat a insanely hard htting combo. that is like 5k stamina+20k magicka
3) LOs is not always present and hard to reach in time before you die.

So basically my only counter is let my enemy totally drain my resources and become a sitting duck Before i die to his Dots and or his next combo. Also people seem to forget that ballista essentially works like a stationary pet so the enemy is free to attack while his ballista already has the target busy. this dude spams Sap essence stam morph while ballista+bow proc combo is already on people so they cant even avoid damage by dodging as it is an AoE and also doTs have their own thing going on. The damage is way too high effectively shield or heal through on anything outside a magplar, magden, wingsDK or heavy stamden.

Dude, are you serious about this?

1 break free and dodge roll doesnt cost 20k stamina. Not even 10k.

Using sap essence on stamblade is meh and if this hits you for 4k you should work on your build.

On my magsorc i run 18k stam and 1 break free and dodge roll doesnt bring me below 50% stamina for the rest it takes one hardened ward and the ballista is wasted.

Btw, calling vdsa one of the hardest pve content in 2018 is just a joke.

Your whole post just showed that you are a zergling who chased a nightblade 6v1 for no reason and then complained about getting killed.

Pure l2p post here, nothing else.

Masel

susmitds wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

LOL

I never expected someone would call me out, much less for "spamming Ballista".

But as you did, lemme break apart your post.

• Master's Bow gives 301 Weapon Damage, not 750. 450 extra comes from Infused enchant. The 301 weapon damage is a debuff on the enemy, not a self buff and hence is not affected by any buffs like Major Brutality, medium armor passive and only affects one enemy. By using it, you are losing out on the 4pc and 5pc bonus of a set on the bar it is in. While as a backbar weapon, it is certainly strong, it is not really OP. 301 weapon damage is not going to turn you into godmode 1vXer beast.
• Ballista is strong, only in certain situations. While, it does the highest damage as an Ulti in the game, it is freaking dodgeable. I do use it to kill scrubs and I certainly cannot spam it. Against good opponents, it only serves to drain stamina real fast, if you pair it with a CC. I primarily use it in outnumbered combat to force someone out of offensive for 5 secs, so I can cloak out or if I see you spamming Snipe.

The weapon damage is affected by major and minor brutality and all other weapon damage amps. What makes you think otherwise?

I always assumed it works that way as it works as a debuff and according to my tests, it is almost always 6.215% extra damage on the target. Could be wrong though.

Percentagewise the additional damage can't always be the same flat value, because that's how damage calculation works.

Let's assume the base damage of a skill is determine by 10% of your stamina and 100% of your weapon damage.

First scenario would be that you have 3,000 Weapon Damage and 30,000 Stamina.

Adding 300 Weapon Damage to 3,000 yields a damage increase of 300. How much is that in %?

0.1*30,000+1*3,000=6000 is the base damage before the buff.

0.1*30,000+1*3,300=6300 is the post-buff damage, yielding a 5% increase.

Increasing the pre-buff Weapon Damage to 4,000 yields

0.1*30,000+1*4,000=7,000

Post-buff we'd have

0.1*30,000+1*4,300=7,300

7,300/7,000-1=4.29%

So your statement doesn't make sense at all....

It cannot be a flat % value, the % depends on how large your stats are pre- and post-buff from the bow.

susmitds

Masel wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

LOL

I never expected someone would call me out, much less for "spamming Ballista".

But as you did, lemme break apart your post.

• Master's Bow gives 301 Weapon Damage, not 750. 450 extra comes from Infused enchant. The 301 weapon damage is a debuff on the enemy, not a self buff and hence is not affected by any buffs like Major Brutality, medium armor passive and only affects one enemy. By using it, you are losing out on the 4pc and 5pc bonus of a set on the bar it is in. While as a backbar weapon, it is certainly strong, it is not really OP. 301 weapon damage is not going to turn you into godmode 1vXer beast.
• Ballista is strong, only in certain situations. While, it does the highest damage as an Ulti in the game, it is freaking dodgeable. I do use it to kill scrubs and I certainly cannot spam it. Against good opponents, it only serves to drain stamina real fast, if you pair it with a CC. I primarily use it in outnumbered combat to force someone out of offensive for 5 secs, so I can cloak out or if I see you spamming Snipe.

The weapon damage is affected by major and minor brutality and all other weapon damage amps. What makes you think otherwise?

I always assumed it works that way as it works as a debuff and according to my tests, it is almost always 6.215% extra damage on the target. Could be wrong though.

Percentagewise the additional damage can't always be the same flat value, because that's how damage calculation works.

Let's assume the base damage of a skill is determine by 10% of your stamina and 100% of your weapon damage.

First scenario would be that you have 3,000 Weapon Damage and 30,000 Stamina.

Adding 300 Weapon Damage to 3,000 yields a damage increase of 300. How much is that in %?

0.1*30,000+1*3,000=6000 is the base damage before the buff.

0.1*30,000+1*3,300=6300 is the post-buff damage, yielding a 5% increase.

Increasing the pre-buff Weapon Damage to 4,000 yields

0.1*30,000+1*4,000=7,000

Post-buff we'd have

0.1*30,000+1*4,300=7,300

7,300/7,000-1=4.29%

So your statement doesn't make sense at all....

It cannot be a flat % value, the % depends on how large your stats are pre- and post-buff from the bow.

@Masel
I think I expressed it a bit differently than what I intended. I tested it with a 2K Weapon Damage, 45K stamina base setup using Surprise Attack, Power Extraction and Lethal Arrow as my test skills and it was giving 7.415% extra damage on all of them. Then I switched to an 5.5k, 30K stamina weapon Damage build and using the same skills, got 5.015% extra damage on the skills. Majority of the PvP builds tend to be somewhere in the middle of this range of two extremes and that gave me the median of 6.215%, which is approximately where it's bonus damage tends to linger around.

cyberjanet

If they keep nerfing things that are hard to get, there is no point doing the content to get them.
If you don't have 24/7 to play, it's hard enough keeping up with the changes in the game never mind getting into the more difficult content.
And it's not like you're guaranteed a bow either.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

nsmurfer wrote: »

I tried shadow walker in the past and it is useless. you can't move, do anything which is useless in combat.

susmitds wrote: »

Also, calling me an exploiter because you think I spammed dodge, Vigor, Shuffle etc is kinda BS. None of those needs spamming and even I wanted to, I can easily do so, as I build for enough sustain for it. 4k Spell damage, 48k magicka will always die to something with lesser damage potential but with higher sustain in fights that last longer than 10 secs.

You single-bar the one of the most useless sets and call it building for sustain? my pal who is Legate on his NB use bone pirate+battle acrobat both bars and cannot spam dodge+vigor without running out. That too, while actually using a real sustain build not a half-assed one. i personally use @Alcast 's assassin build - master bow on my nb, probably the best builds for nb pvp but when my surprise attack hits for sub 3k on the average person, while Sap essence's stam morph hits me on my 28k resist Magsorc for 4k upwards, with Master's bow being the primary difference, it has to be OP.

As a player that uses Shadow Walker let me break this down for you when not moving you are in fact not rolling which let the drop so you will have bade cost for rolling + 2k from Shadow Walker + stamina recovery that’s a lot of resources.

Also no one and I mean no one spams Vigor or Rally you are not getting extra heals just burning stamina.