Master's Bow needs a big nerf and Ballista Ultimate as well

nsmurfer

supaskrub wrote: »

If you are dying to Ballista and come into the forums asking for it to be nerfed you should have your posting rights removed..

SupremeRissole wrote: »

uses a dodgeable/blockable 175 ultimate

Give me a single counter to ballista+Bow proc when you are already CCed.

technohic

nsmurfer wrote: »

I tried shadow walker in the past and it is useless. you can't move, do anything which is useless in combat.

susmitds wrote: »

Also, calling me an exploiter because you think I spammed dodge, Vigor, Shuffle etc is kinda BS. None of those needs spamming and even I wanted to, I can easily do so, as I build for enough sustain for it. 4k Spell damage, 48k magicka will always die to something with lesser damage potential but with higher sustain in fights that last longer than 10 secs.

You single-bar the one of the most useless sets and call it building for sustain? my pal who is Legate on his NB use bone pirate+battle acrobat both bars and cannot spam dodge+vigor without running out. That too, while actually using a real sustain build not a half-assed one. i personally use @Alcast 's assassin build - master bow on my nb, probably the best builds for nb pvp but when my surprise attack hits for sub 3k on the average person, while Sap essence's stam morph hits me on my 28k resist Magsorc for 4k upwards, with Master's bow being the primary difference, it has to be OP.

You are running crit resist; right?

therift

nsmurfer wrote: »

I tried shadow walker in the past and it is useless. you can't move, do anything which is useless in combat.

susmitds wrote: »

Also, calling me an exploiter because you think I spammed dodge, Vigor, Shuffle etc is kinda BS. None of those needs spamming and even I wanted to, I can easily do so, as I build for enough sustain for it. 4k Spell damage, 48k magicka will always die to something with lesser damage potential but with higher sustain in fights that last longer than 10 secs.

You single-bar the one of the most useless sets and call it building for sustain? my pal who is Legate on his NB use bone pirate+battle acrobat both bars and cannot spam dodge+vigor without running out. That too, while actually using a real sustain build not a half-assed one. i personally use Alcast 's assassin build - master bow on my nb, probably the best builds for nb pvp but when my surprise attack hits for sub 3k on the average person, while Sap essence's stam morph hits me on my 28k resist Magsorc for 4k upwards, with Master's bow being the primary difference, it has to be OP.

So now you're saying your group was wiped by a half-assed build? Do you not see the irony here?

Emma_Overload

Trancestor wrote: »

Ballista sound is bugged, you can't hear it most of the time when it's pounding on you and its kinda hard to see it too, other than that l2p.

LOL, no kidding. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by Ballista and didn't even know WTF happened to make my health drop to ZERO in two seconds... until I checked the death recap! The audio and visual cues need to be fixed.

The worst is when you're fighting one guy and don't even realize there's some cowardly Bosmer hiding in the bushes a mile away who doesn't do anything with his life except build ultimate so he can Ballista you in the back while you're distracted. But hey, L2P amirite?

nsmurfer

technohic wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

I tried shadow walker in the past and it is useless. you can't move, do anything which is useless in combat.

susmitds wrote: »

Also, calling me an exploiter because you think I spammed dodge, Vigor, Shuffle etc is kinda BS. None of those needs spamming and even I wanted to, I can easily do so, as I build for enough sustain for it. 4k Spell damage, 48k magicka will always die to something with lesser damage potential but with higher sustain in fights that last longer than 10 secs.

You single-bar the one of the most useless sets and call it building for sustain? my pal who is Legate on his NB use bone pirate+battle acrobat both bars and cannot spam dodge+vigor without running out. That too, while actually using a real sustain build not a half-assed one. i personally use @Alcast 's assassin build - master bow on my nb, probably the best builds for nb pvp but when my surprise attack hits for sub 3k on the average person, while Sap essence's stam morph hits me on my 28k resist Magsorc for 4k upwards, with Master's bow being the primary difference, it has to be OP.

You are running crit resist; right?

3k crit resists.

SodanTok

Anyone using ballista can tell you that the only way to kill ppl with it is if they fail basics of combat. So congratulation OP. Same goes to thinking 300WD from master bow is OP. That is again fail on accounting of how damage affects abilities in the game. Dying to poison injection is kinda fail of basics too, that ability is way unreliable execute and works only as pressure against people staying on low health for some reason (usually failing to notice it).

SupremeRissole

nsmurfer wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

If you are dying to Ballista and come into the forums asking for it to be nerfed you should have your posting rights removed..

SupremeRissole wrote: »

uses a dodgeable/blockable 175 ultimate

Give me a single counter to ballista+Bow proc when you are already CCed.

- break free and shield
- streak to cover (LoS)

Trinity_Is_My_Name

And another Nerf this because it beat me thread.

DjMuscleboy02

dsa hard in 2018 nice

LeagueTroll

Good trolling

Zeromaz

I die when i lose all my health... there is no counterplay to losing 100% HP. Ultimates and damaging abilities are liek 98% of the cause of me losing healths. All of the stuffs need to be turnt down. I duno how many times i died from no healths.

acw37162

He lost me at Stamblade is “mostly” balanced.

Aliyavana

nsmurfer wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Also, calling me an exploiter because you think I spammed dodge, Vigor, Shuffle etc is kinda BS. None of those needs spamming and even I wanted to, I can easily do so, as I build for enough sustain for it. 4k Spell damage, 48k magicka will always die to something with lesser damage potential but with higher sustain in fights that last longer than 10 secs.

you dragged my group all the way from ash to nik, spamming said skills and I am pretty sure that requires 3k+ stam recovery with cost reduction setup. Given you use a khajit, not bosmer, redguard or argonian, i am willing to bet that it requires a zero damage sustain setup, which you obviously dont use given your damage potential. one of my groupies was a Nb tank, who had 45k Hp and you dropped him as well, which is ridiculous as i have seen him tank more than half a dozen player.

So you tried to zerg a solo player down? Should all solo players just drop dead in front of your group? Considering you probably haven't experienced solo gameplay you shouldn't really comment on it.

humpalicous

nsmurfer wrote: »

Master's Bow is the most OP single item in pvp in the game. it is way way more broken than Master's DW (which itself is broken af imo). after ZOS butchered my main magsorc from beta, i switched to stamblade and from what I have seen playing one for the last month, the base class in itself is quite balanced, but itemization and the bow skill line makes it possible to create ridiculous builds on stamblade.
And of all these items, Master's Bow is the most broken, giving 750 weapon damage from using the strong DoT in the game. why bother with bleeds that tick for 2k max every 2 secs when you can get 2k+ damage evry sec with an included execution capability. Adding 750 weapon damage to Poison injection from a single weapon is ridiculously broken. It is creating a toxic divide in the PvP, where this one item is separating the normal stamblades from the broken godmode stamblades. Why bother to invest in damage sets, when you can simply build for sustain and survivability while backbar Master's Bow gives you the power of more than 2xHunding's Rage. Almost every single good openworld/duel/BG stamblade I know is using it, while other PvPers cannot really match them as said Bow (inspite of being BiS PvP weapon) is locked behind one of the hardest PvE good content. This forced rarity is classic toxic dev mentality of catering to the elitist minority while abandoning the vast majority of players.

also, Ballista..... It is ridiculous how a 70K+ tooltip ultimate is allowed to stay in the game unnerfed. It can literally take someone from max HP to zero in matter of seconds. there is this AD stamblade shadow kiter in pc na vivec, who is spamming this ulti for 30K+ damage on 28k resist and 3k crit resist builds. It is so freaking *** how OP this ulti is, with no realistic means of defense. every time, i meet this dude, it goes the same way with him dodging and cloaking 90% of attacks, then fear to ballista with bow proc, then spamming the sap essense stam morph, till I die. it is the same result on my magsorc, bleedsorc, bleedblade, rollerblade. even if I survive, I will out of resources trying to shield, outheal, dodge, block it, making me a free kill at this point. Ballista needs to at least 250 ulti with lesser damage. Apart from wingsDK and magplar or nearby LOS, this ulti is pretty auto win.

Short answer? Learn to play. Dodge and your done.

Gargath

nsmurfer wrote: »

also, Ballista..... It is ridiculous how a 70K+ tooltip ultimate is allowed to stay in the game unnerfed. It can literally take someone from max HP to zero in matter of seconds.

I was watching my balista doing almost no damage to an enemy player with ~50% of health down, while in Cyrodiil. It was literally hitting with 70k damage with no real effect, the player didn't dodge it, maybe they were shielded I don't know. But you want to nerf what already isn't too much effective. In a right hands every tool will be deadly. That doesn't mean though you should nerf everything to the ground.

As for the Master / vMA / Asylum special weapons, imho they should be permanently banned from pvp, if we are talking about proper balance and fairness.

Tzayad

nsmurfer wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

LOL

I never expected someone would call me out, much less for "spamming Ballista".

But as you did, lemme break apart your post.

• Master's Bow gives 301 Weapon Damage, not 750. 450 extra comes from Infused enchant. The 301 weapon damage is a debuff on the enemy, not a self buff and hence is not affected by any buffs like Major Brutality, medium armor passive and only affects one enemy. By using it, you are losing out on the 4pc and 5pc bonus of a set on the bar it is in. While as a backbar weapon, it is certainly strong, it is not really OP. 301 weapon damage is not going to turn you into godmode 1vXer beast.
• Ballista is strong, only in certain situations. While, it does the highest damage as an Ulti in the game, it is freaking dodgeable. I do use it to kill scrubs and I certainly cannot spam it. Against good opponents, it only serves to drain stamina real fast, if you pair it with a CC. I primarily use it in outnumbered combat to force someone out of offensive for 5 secs, so I can cloak out or if I see you spamming Snipe.

Unbelievable, how you can defend your trashy playstyle while pretending to be innocent. you probably a broken build and defend it. It is ridiculous how it takes multiple people to hunt exploiters like you, while you can happily destroy someone in the middle of dozens of players and get out. I have been playing since beta so dont bother giving the L2P card. you know some thing is wrong when someone dodge 6+ in a row, spamming vigor and shuffle and not running out of stamina whatsever, while eating a 4k spell dmg, 48k magicka soul assault and still being able to drop Ballista and kill people with zero sustain issue what so ever. I got combat logs of your ballista killing me mid Soul Assault ticking over 28k HP, while I am stuck in Soul Assault animation. both are channels, why should one guy survive while the other dies.

One costs 175 ult and is dropped stationary on the ground.
One costs like 75? ult and you can still move while casting it.

Which one should be stronger?

Aztlan

Weak sauce, OP. You'd be better off asking for buffs to underpowered item sets and skills.

susmitds

Masel wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

LOL

I never expected someone would call me out, much less for "spamming Ballista".

But as you did, lemme break apart your post.

• Master's Bow gives 301 Weapon Damage, not 750. 450 extra comes from Infused enchant. The 301 weapon damage is a debuff on the enemy, not a self buff and hence is not affected by any buffs like Major Brutality, medium armor passive and only affects one enemy. By using it, you are losing out on the 4pc and 5pc bonus of a set on the bar it is in. While as a backbar weapon, it is certainly strong, it is not really OP. 301 weapon damage is not going to turn you into godmode 1vXer beast.
• Ballista is strong, only in certain situations. While, it does the highest damage as an Ulti in the game, it is freaking dodgeable. I do use it to kill scrubs and I certainly cannot spam it. Against good opponents, it only serves to drain stamina real fast, if you pair it with a CC. I primarily use it in outnumbered combat to force someone out of offensive for 5 secs, so I can cloak out or if I see you spamming Snipe.

The weapon damage is affected by major and minor brutality and all other weapon damage amps. What makes you think otherwise?

I always assumed it works that way as it works as a debuff and according to my tests, it is almost always 6.215% extra damage on the target. Could be wrong though.

JiKama

Oh boy yesterday it was a nerf Maelstrom bow and now it's nerf the masters bow. How about NOT nerfing end game weapons, but buffing the others to be competitive.

eso_lags

nsmurfer wrote: »

Master's Bow is the most OP single item in pvp in the game. it is way way more broken than Master's DW (which itself is broken af imo). after ZOS butchered my main magsorc from beta, i switched to stamblade and from what I have seen playing one for the last month, the base class in itself is quite balanced, but itemization and the bow skill line makes it possible to create ridiculous builds on stamblade.
And of all these items, Master's Bow is the most broken, giving 750 weapon damage from using the strong DoT in the game. why bother with bleeds that tick for 2k max every 2 secs when you can get 2k+ damage evry sec with an included execution capability. Adding 750 weapon damage to Poison injection from a single weapon is ridiculously broken. It is creating a toxic divide in the PvP, where this one item is separating the normal stamblades from the broken godmode stamblades. Why bother to invest in damage sets, when you can simply build for sustain and survivability while backbar Master's Bow gives you the power of more than 2xHunding's Rage. Almost every single good openworld/duel/BG stamblade I know is using it, while other PvPers cannot really match them as said Bow (inspite of being BiS PvP weapon) is locked behind one of the hardest PvE good content. This forced rarity is classic toxic dev mentality of catering to the elitist minority while abandoning the vast majority of players.

also, Ballista..... It is ridiculous how a 70K+ tooltip ultimate is allowed to stay in the game unnerfed. It can literally take someone from max HP to zero in matter of seconds. there is this AD stamblade shadow kiter in pc na vivec, who is spamming this ulti for 30K+ damage on 28k resist and 3k crit resist builds. It is so freaking *** how OP this ulti is, with no realistic means of defense. every time, i meet this dude, it goes the same way with him dodging and cloaking 90% of attacks, then fear to ballista with bow proc, then spamming the sap essense stam morph, till I die. it is the same result on my magsorc, bleedsorc, bleedblade, rollerblade. even if I survive, I will out of resources trying to shield, outheal, dodge, block it, making me a free kill at this point. Ballista needs to at least 250 ulti with lesser damage. Apart from wingsDK and magplar or nearby LOS, this ulti is pretty auto win.

Im sorry but you're wrong about a lot of things here.

I wont go over what has been said 100 times already but it sounds like your main issue is stamblades. And thats fine, nightblade (mostly stamblade) is an overpowered class. It survives the times being in the top 3 classes every update. But masters bow? Ballista? No.

The bow ulti, like the dual wield ulti, is just not good for pvp. I would probably go with the dual wield ult before the bow one. I've seen people use it in the past and try to fear you right before using it so you take a lot of the damage before you can block, but even that doesnt work. Line of sight, block, or pressuring the opponent so they have to stop the channel and go on the defend, all work to defend against it.

And the master bow is good but not OP.. Honestly I prefer the master dual wield over the master bow these days..

If you are running a medium or light build (i think i read you're a sorc?) then you should try to change some things up if you're having issues with stamblades. I havent played magsorc for a while but i still see mag sorcs doing good in murkmire. Not as good but still good. Every build has a weakness. Stamblade is difficult because even the glass cannon builds can just cloak out, heal, and reset the fight. Thats why the class is broken, it has too many powerful combos and nowhere near enough counters. But if you play a more tanky build or get better at keeping your shields up, and staying on the offensive, then you might do better against them.

But you definitely should not be dying to ballista or from, mostly, master bow poison injection damage unless you're out of stam or mag. Like if you're a mag sorc out of stam, with no shields on, and someone fears you and then drops a ballista.. Well then you cant CC break and you might die. Thats not the ulti being OP.

If i had to guess i would probably say its an issue with CP, Impen, or your build.

TheRealSniker

this is the most stupid post ive red in a while
good job OP, you earned a potato medal

Sky_WK

nsmurfer wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

If you are dying to Ballista and come into the forums asking for it to be nerfed you should have your posting rights removed..

SupremeRissole wrote: »

uses a dodgeable/blockable 175 ultimate

Give me a single counter to ballista+Bow proc when you are already CCed.

Break free -> Dodge roll

Hochstapler

Every single "nerf what kills me" thread is a train wreck that exposes potatos and tomatos but this one has to be special.

A Zergling who not only failed to zerg but got his azz handed to him and his potato friends by a single player, has the audacity to scream nerfs?
That's it, now I've seen it all.

therift

The lesson to be learned here is that a single player, using superior tactics and playing to the strengths of his/her/their build, can defeat a group.

templesus

TheRealSniker wrote: »

this is the most stupid post ive red in a while
good job OP, you earned a potato medal

This never sounds right to me. Always prefer to say stupidest

nsmurfer

Sky_WK wrote: »

Break free -> Dodge roll

SupremeRissole wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

Give me a single counter to ballista+Bow proc when you are already CCed.

- break free and shield
- streak to cover (LoS)

These counters may seem on paper but is ridiculous in combat.

So you are saying my effective counter is:-
1) cc break + dodge roll at least three. that costs easily around 20k stamina to counter a single combo.
2) cc break + shield spam to eat a insanely hard htting combo. that is like 5k stamina+20k magicka
3) LOs is not always present and hard to reach in time before you die.

So basically my only counter is let my enemy totally drain my resources and become a sitting duck Before i die to his Dots and or his next combo. Also people seem to forget that ballista essentially works like a stationary pet so the enemy is free to attack while his ballista already has the target busy. this dude spams Sap essence stam morph while ballista+bow proc combo is already on people so they cant even avoid damage by dodging as it is an AoE and also doTs have their own thing going on. The damage is way too high effectively shield or heal through on anything outside a magplar, magden, wingsDK or heavy stamden.

WuffyCerulei

I've rarely had issues with people who use the master bow. I think half the people who probs have it just spam poison injection like a pro.
And asking for a Ballista nerf is going to affect pve negatively. I don't want my stam dps friends to be nerfed for some pvpers.

LeHarrt91

Maybe you can adjust your build to counter your weaknesses, get some more stam and recovery. You can use Naga Shaman that grants you, minor vitality and minor mending when you cast a shield. You can use Defensive Rune to stun them when your attacked so they cannot pull off their combo.

Its easier to come to terms with being outplayed than trying to prove a players build legitimacy.

technohic

Does ball streak work on barrage as a projectile?

LeHarrt91

technohic wrote: »

Does ball streak work on barrage as a projectile?

As far as i know, Ballista can be absorbed/ reflected. But Toxic Barrage cannot be.