What are Zenis plans for lag?

martinhpb16_ESO

Still with the lag WTF!!!!

Crixus8000

Lag and bugs will probably never be fixed. It seems like a feature at this point. I want a set that gives me 30 seconds of lag immunity after I break free, so I can better fight outnumbered.

Kartalin

Their plan is to not worry about it too much and let it sort itself out as more and more pvpers quit.

frostz417

Plans? You’re funny

PhantomOcelot

Ignore it and hope it will go away

gp1680

“Working as intended.”

crazy_catman21

New players don’t complain, that’s why they cater to them

OFFL1MIT

Zenis Has no plans for lag, we're playing with lag in cyro like 3-4 years and it's still havent been fixed. They tried, but with no luck. Probably impossible to fix it without changing the engine it self. And as you noticed, the more they add stuff to the game the more it lags. To rebuild engine and game itself you need a lot of money, but money for zeni is not a problem, the problem is time. On another hand, if you noticed this game is still popular and have big playerbase, so new engine will wait for a while.
You can reduce lag when it gets pingy hot. Avoid channel abilities, AOE, try to use direct damage abilities and you will experience less lags. Well atleast it helped me, moving from templar to sorc, it used to even kick me out when I was playing templar because of lag, but not anymore on sorc

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

In all likelihood there is no problem with lag other than zeni not willing to put money into it.

Pathetic but whatever.

frozywozy

Royaji

It's easy to understand why lag will never be fixed once you understand the reason why it happens in the first place.

In 2014 Cyro was very smooth. The game was developed in such a way that most calculations were done client-side. This allowed for large scale PvP. After the whole CE fiasco ZOS had to move most calculations server-side. Under that system large scale PvP became impossible.

There's little ZOS can do to fix it.

Soris

Idk what is zos' plan for lag but my plan is playing in shor in prime time, and in vivec in off prime time if i happen to be logged in. So far it works great.

Soris

Royaji wrote: »

It's easy to understand why lag will never be fixed once you understand the reason why it happens in the first place.

In 2014 Cyro was very smooth. The game was developed in such a way that most calculations were done client-side. This allowed for large scale PvP. After the whole CE fiasco ZOS had to move most calculations server-side. Under that system large scale PvP became impossible.

There's little ZOS can do to fix it.

Cyro was not different in 2014 too. The lag was exactly same in prime times. The only big difference is we had better fps in laggy big fights. (Almost as smooth as empty zones)

martinhpb16_ESO

Its been worse since Mirk or is that my imagination?

casparian

ZOS can’t fix it. It’s a problem with the foundational code of their game, and it just isn’t cost-effective to change that. Their plan is only to acknowledge the existence of very specific bugs that they can replicate and fix, and not acknowledge that the lag we experience happens.

Palidon

Gotta laugh. PvP was the big selling point for ESO and Zen has completely turned a blind eye to its problems.

Vapirko

No.

valeriiya

Maybe we'll get a "lag free PvP" token in the Crown Store soon. Unless it will make them more money than it will cost to fix, they won't touch it.

martinhpb16_ESO

If we all go in our underwear and fist fight maybe we can get a lag free Xmas.

Otherwise Zeni - what are your plans?

AllegraLionheart

Royaji wrote: »

After the whole CE fiasco ZOS had to move most calculations server-side.

Story time? I googled it, no dice finding it. What caused the client to server-side move?

Soris

AllegraLionheart wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

After the whole CE fiasco ZOS had to move most calculations server-side.

Story time? I googled it, no dice finding it. What caused the client to server-side move?

I guess it was possible to change your stats and it actually recognized by the server. Nowadays you can still change your stats for the lols and screenshots but any damage or healing (or even interracting with game world) resets them back to original.

Btw, shor is quite lag-free even in prime times, but sometimes it can be unbalanced. If some people from all sides come and join us, it will be a great campaign again. Last month was a blast, this month feels a bit empty and unbalanced.
edit: EU server i mean

Royaji

AllegraLionheart wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

After the whole CE fiasco ZOS had to move most calculations server-side.

Story time? I googled it, no dice finding it. What caused the client to server-side move?

Here's one of the more (in)famous examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkFChvpYHSI

BigM

Have you guys tried this, I know it took my FPS way up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pYJeanHHQ4&t=5s

zyk

AllegraLionheart wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

After the whole CE fiasco ZOS had to move most calculations server-side.

Story time? I googled it, no dice finding it. What caused the client to server-side move?

It's a myth.

1. There was crippling server-side lag years before the CE (memory hacking) debacle in 2016 when a group of players took memory hacking out of the shadows by using it in obvious ways to prove it was possible in ESO. ZOS did not respond to the controversy in a meaningful way, they just swept it under the rug. Here is what one of the participants had to say about it.

2. ESO is still vulnerable to memory hacking as the client is still trusted and does not utilize modern cheat mitigation techniques. The only thing that is known to have changed is that ZOS does a better job of obfuscating data in client memory, making it more difficult to memory hack.

ZOS has explained the Cyrodiil was lag-free during the first couple of months because players were low level and didn't know how to play. They have flat-out denied that it had anything to do with client security. This is obvious when you watch early videos. Cyrodiil developed crippling server-side lag during the summer of 2014.

Feanor

@zyk

My belief is that the anti-bot measures implemented with the infamous lighting patch (1.2) are to blame to a large extent, but of course nobody outside can say for sure.

zyk

Feanor wrote: »

zyk

My belief is that the anti-bot measures implemented with the infamous lighting patch (1.2) are to blame to a large extent, but of course nobody outside can say for sure.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler has said that's not what happened. He explained that from their POV, server lag increased as more of the playerbase reached max level.

Feanor

zyk wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

zyk

My belief is that the anti-bot measures implemented with the infamous lighting patch (1.2) are to blame to a large extent, but of course nobody outside can say for sure.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler has said that's not what happened. He explained that from their POV, server lag increased as more of the playerbase reached max level.

I don't buy that. Yes, maxed out passives, available skills and set induced calculations may rise with more players having max level toons. Yet we have experienced that the noCP stress test didn't show lag was any better, and in fact, the times of EU Sotha Sil being relatively lag free are over too. I remember though how horrible it was when 1.2 and 1.3 hit the servers. It was night and day.

frozywozy

zyk wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

zyk

My belief is that the anti-bot measures implemented with the infamous lighting patch (1.2) are to blame to a large extent, but of course nobody outside can say for sure.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler has said that's not what happened. He explained that from their POV, server lag increased as more of the playerbase reached max level.

That's like saying "24men ballgroups are the reason of server lag". They are a main cause but not the only responsible. When Brian Wheeler argued agains the famous "lightning patch accusations". he never spoke once about the anti-bot system that was introduced in the meantime. He simply talked about the "lightning" aspect of it.

Anything they add to the server side, like anti-bot, anti-cheat, etc. will drastically increase server lag if not optimized properly. On top of this, players learning the game, unlocking more passives, utilizing more aoes in a synchronized fashion add up to it.

God I hit edit on this post, added up info, miss clicked my mouse and lost 30mins of writing. >.<

Anyway, at this point I believe that this game will remain in a stalemate until people quit entirely. I'm going to speculate my own assumptions here as I am not aware of anything at all. I believe that ZOS is out of financial resources and they don't have any plans ahead to fix performances issues. This being said, even if Bethesda is on top of ZOS, I believe they sold their game entirely to them and their decisions don't matter much anymore in the future of the game.

Bethesda already invested into another MMO (Fallout 76) and they announced publicly recently that they were looking to build a new team for a third MMO coming up. This could mean two different things :

1) Bethesda realized how poorly optimized the game engine and the net code is and would rather start fresh after learning from their mistakes with a brand new game.

2) Bethesda does not want to invest to fix a broken game, they also have no intention to make the new ones any better. Their marketing department simply believe that releasing new titles and milk the system once more will bring more money.

zyk

frozywozy wrote: »

When Brian Wheeler argued agains the famous "lightning patch accusations". he never spoke once about the anti-bot system that was introduced in the meantime. He simply talked about the "lightning" aspect of it.

He has said it wasn't bot code. The lighting aspect was obviously purely client side. Although, another popular theory then was that the game processed light particles server-side which was just completely absurd.

ESO had been live less than three months old when 1.2.3 was released. The *severe* FPS drop bugs introduced with that patch took weeks to resolve. So it's not hard to believe that the playerbase had leveled significantly during that period. The FPS drops were far less problematic in open world PVE.

technohic

I was just thinking about this the other day. I really like the game in general but between the lag and constant releasing of sets every quarter with the chance of a new carry mechanic, the game crushes itself. You can at least just jump on the meta for that half, but there is nothing you can do about not being able to control your character with any sort of responsiveness.

Iskras

"What are Zenis plans for lag?"

Im curious too.