The State of ESO - video critique

Galarthor

This is actually a good video.

Especially the part on pointing out the double standards applied by and obvious confusion of Wrobel and the combat team. And the fact that we won't be seeing any major changes in this regard for the next 5 months is a damning indictment of their capabilities and the regard in which they hold their customers. If the electricity in your apartment breaks down you expect your landlord to do something about it in a timely manner and not half later. Sure, the house is still habitable, but your quality of life and enjoyment your home suffer substantially. So for your sake ZOS, I hope you have better landlords than you are game providers / combat designers.

Cpt_Teemo

Jameliel wrote: »

I stopped reading at "best out of all MMO games". Difficult to tell if the post is serious or satire....

Akagami94

Darktrox wrote: »

chaz wrote: »

Actually due to high levels of ping, lag, and disconnects , ESO is a now dying game and is already losing 20% of it's player base, based on their decision in October to what they did to the servers that is dedicating specific IP and zones as opposed to funneling IP's outside the U.S. (eg Austrailia, Hawaii, Africa) to transit lines that are always clogged with congestion.

I don't suffer any lag issues at all firslty, I'm sad some had (perhaps it's the zone, or their ports / internet issues) and according to ESO population has only increased according to steamcharts, altho I know it's like a 20% of the total population, I just don't like this kind of "ohhh ESO is dying" without any actual proof.

@Darktrox Can I have your internet? Eso is already unplayable when I reach 120 ping. And i live basically next door from the Eu Servers.

DMuehlhausen

Jameliel wrote: »

I stopped reading at "best out of all MMO games". Difficult to tell if the post is serious or satire....

I mean there are some MMO review sites that have listed it as best MMO the last couple years running.

Drummerx04

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

I stopped reading at "best out of all MMO games". Difficult to tell if the post is serious or satire....

I mean there are some MMO review sites that have listed it as best MMO the last couple years running.

ESO was good for a long time, but ZOS is more concerned about attracting new players than keeping old players. It's all about that growth and not simply having a profitable business model.

NoMoreChillies

ZOS_AntonioP wrote: »

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Recently we've had to remove several posts for unneeded back and forth. Along with this, please avoid posting content on banned members behalf, as it normally does not lead well for a thread. Constructive feedback is always appreciated, and for the rest of the discussion please be sure to keep the Forum Rules in mind to avoid action on one's own account.

Thank you for understanding.

we get it, ZOS doesnt care

DanteYoda

Agree with the video completely, love how my post was removed yet it broke no rules..

Kingslayer513

chaz wrote: »

Actually due to high levels of ping, lag, and disconnects , ESO is a now dying game and is already losing 20% of it's player base

Objectively fake news, sad!

SHADOW2KK

Meh..

Darktrox

Akagami94 wrote: »

Darktrox wrote: »

chaz wrote: »

Actually due to high levels of ping, lag, and disconnects , ESO is a now dying game and is already losing 20% of it's player base, based on their decision in October to what they did to the servers that is dedicating specific IP and zones as opposed to funneling IP's outside the U.S. (eg Austrailia, Hawaii, Africa) to transit lines that are always clogged with congestion.

I don't suffer any lag issues at all firslty, I'm sad some had (perhaps it's the zone, or their ports / internet issues) and according to ESO population has only increased according to steamcharts, altho I know it's like a 20% of the total population, I just don't like this kind of "ohhh ESO is dying" without any actual proof.

@Darktrox Can I have your internet? Eso is already unplayable when I reach 120 ping. And i live basically next door from the Eu Servers.

Huh I play at 200 everytime sorry I'm used to it XD and it's quite playable for me man.

Viscous119

I watched about 80% of the video and I agree with the OP. This is the main reason why I will never play PVP in ESO. It is a fricking disaster. Good luck with that.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Good Video. Good analysis. I support this.

Except for the part about adding champion points in BGs. Champion points are pure cancer in any type of PvP.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Really good video. Can't disagree with the points made.....

ESO has changed in my opinion for the worse....still a good game but not like it was before One Tamriel.

Mayrael

For me endgame always = PvP - with the current state of Cyrodiil I simply lost my heart for this game. Stuck in combat almost all the time, broken/not working skills, tremendous lags, break free issues... I can get over imbalance, but this? There is even no acknowledgement that they are working on those issues, so it may be fixed next month (doubtful), next update (also doubtful), next year or simply ignored. That's why with each day I have less and less will to even login and collect daily rewards.


This is how games die. When population grows nobody cares about bugs and performance. When it starts to get smaller, they try cheap tricks like giving you free stuff (cheap because it's easy for them and requires no effort). Then when the population still goes down, they try to fix things, but it's to late already, because game is marked as dying by the time and not worth of effort. Don't let this happen to ESO @ZOS, fix your game, fix your communication before it will be to late.

Noisivid

the video is a good assessment of some of the problems with ESO.

Unfortunately people have been telling ZOS what's wrong for years now and ZOS simply isn't going to fix the things that really need fixing.

I personally don't know if they can't or just won't.

Aedrion

All true. Sadly.

BUT. ZoS is less 'out-of-touch' and more 'lacking the know-how' for a project this size.
Many other game studios are ouf-of-touch, dispassionate about their product and aiming only for monetisation.

When I see the passion at ZoS, I see a dev that really, really loves its game and want it to be epic, but lacks the skills to do it.
They don't make these changes wanting to make the game more casual, they make them in the assumption that this is the best way to fix problems. Meanwhile, they both don't fix the problems AND aren't focussing on the real issues and pain-points.

Personally, I wish the team had different priorities and more budget because I believe in ESO. I love the world, the combat, the stories, the artword, all of it. With a new direction for design by a passionate but skilled lead combat designer, ESO would easily maintain its position as one of the biggest MMO's.

Fingers crossed

Akagami94

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Good Video. Good analysis. I support this.

Except for the part about adding champion points in BGs. Champion points are pure cancer in any type of PvP.

@Yolokin_Swagonborn
To be fair, I agree.. even with cps enabled bgs is just pure cancer.. why would anyone think to make 5vs5vs5 would be a good idea..
They should remake bgs.. make it like Arena in Guild wars 2 for example.. make ranks based on skill not by points gain or Ap gain.. 5 vs 5 unranked and ranked... Make tournaments etc.. put rules in so that not every cancer set is allowed and put an health limit.. for example 30k.. and u have a fun with this!
Bgs now is cancer and just a means to get fast vigor..

Jeremy

Jameliel wrote: »

I stopped reading at "best out of all MMO games". Difficult to tell if the post is serious or satire....

Which MMO is better?

Jeremy

Akagami94 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUGlMjPfufs&t=1s

-Personally I'd really like the game, it's beautiful, fun combat and overall a great setting to infest a lot of time in.
ESO has great potential to become really Good and maybe the best out of all MMO games out there. But you don't get that from the developers. They try but it's always 50% or completely something we don't want.

Of course some people will disagree with this, they find ESO alot of fun, easy and relaxing gameplay etc. But I was on that stage too.. Running around zone, doing quests, getting mastercrafter achievement etc etc. But that will stop.. You'll eventually finish it. and then what? If the game has no challenging end game with a lot of content to do.. Then you are better off playing a single-player game.. ESO is by all means still an MMO and I want this game last a couple of years longer!

Please watch the video, and give it some thought before responding!
I know the developers are putting time and effort with the Class Representatives about ''surface issues'' But some problems won't go away when the core of the game isn't addressed.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_Gilliam

Thanks for your time.

@Akagami94
World In Flame.

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I don't have time to watch your entire video.

But I completely agree with your first criticism. The constant nerfs to survivability while adding new and improved ways to slaughter someone has really took a negative toll on PvP in this game.

It's just stupid now. When ever you get outnumbered - even a little - it's just a slaughter as you die almost instantly. Stun/snare splat, stun/snare splat, stun/snare splat. That is an effective description of this game's PvP. I did a test in a BG the other day just for kicks. Even with 50k health while in mistform taking 75% less damage they were able to melt my health at the speed of light. It's just ridiculous.

Noisivid

Jeremy wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

I stopped reading at "best out of all MMO games". Difficult to tell if the post is serious or satire....

Which MMO is better?

This. Please, let me know.

I've tried alot of different MMOs over the last few years and keep coming back to ESO because as aggravating as it can be, to me it's still much better overall than any of the others out there right now.

I'm completely serious here, not joking.

amir412

SypherPK sums up how veterans feel, take a look at this 2 clips, he tried ESO again today after he managed to grow as a streamer:

2 seconds after he tasted what it feels like fighting spin2win nb on med armor:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SteamySpineyManateeYee

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuteSuaveHamsterCurseLit

@Akagami94

Akagami94

amir412 wrote: »

SypherPK sums up how veterans feel, take a look at this 2 clips, he tried ESO again today after he managed to grow as a streamer:

2 seconds after he tasted what it feels like fighting spin2win nb on med armor:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SteamySpineyManateeYee

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuteSuaveHamsterCurseLit

@Akagami94

Ahh will watch it once I get home, thx for sharing

Tigerseye

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Just forget it, they do not care and are just milking money with the least afford at the moment.

• Pvp unplayable - who cares?
• trials bugged for ages- who cares?
• game breaking bugs in for ages - who cares
• rudimentary features missing in the base game without addons - who cares
• class balance russian roulette every big patch- who cares?
• class skills bugged for ages - who cares
• ...
• crown store bugged one day - EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN of the server on the same day
  
  

Many are just waiting for a new game releases and will leave eso in a heartbeat if there would be a game similar to eso.

very well said.
you hit the head of the nail exactly.

accept for that last part, you said ...

Quote:

"Many are just waiting for a new game releases and will leave eso in a heartbeat if there would be a game similar to eso."

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if anyone ever made anything close to eso, Zenimax would sue them.
Zenimax owner sit on their mountain top laughing, they own this monopoly.

There's very little they could sue over.

Most things have been done before and/or can't be considered exclusive intellectual property.

A few slight changes are normally enough to make something become viewed as a new product, legally speaking.

As long as the names of places and characters and the exact storylines and landscapes so on are not copied, pretty sure games companies can, more or less, do what they like.

I have always thought this game had a lot of promise - it just needs a few tweaks, here and there and for certain ongoing issues to be addressed.

Re. PVP here, though - I'm surprised anyone ever plays it, quite frankly.

I could just tell, from the PVE and the clunky and awkward control system (compared with my preferred way of playing, anyway) that it would just be a total nightmare.

Plus I play a Warden here and I, typically, find playing hunter/ranger/warden in PVP really awkward; so, I just don't bother.

I just play this game like the Sims with world bosses, crafting and the very occasional dungeon.

...and this is coming from someone who did a lot of battlegrounds in WoW (before deciding it was unrewarding and generally, un-fun) and pretty much only did WvW in GW2 (on a Mesmer).

When I go back to GW2 I miss the housing and some of the other cosmetic things here; but, the fact I can, at least, move how I want is a breath of fresh air.

They do have the same issues with lack of balance between servers and massive lag spikes, there, though.

That's why I don't bother with that much, either, anymore.

Lagging in PVE is bad enough, thanks, without being made to endure it in PVP too.

Ragnarock41

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Just forget it, they do not care and are just milking money with the least afford at the moment.

• Pvp unplayable - who cares?
• trials bugged for ages- who cares?
• game breaking bugs in for ages - who cares
• rudimentary features missing in the base game without addons - who cares
• class balance russian roulette every big patch- who cares?
• class skills bugged for ages - who cares
• ...
• crown store bugged one day - EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN of the server on the same day
  
  

Many are just waiting for a new game releases and will leave eso in a heartbeat if there would be a game similar to eso.

very well said.
you hit the head of the nail exactly.

accept for that last part, you said ...

Quote:

"Many are just waiting for a new game releases and will leave eso in a heartbeat if there would be a game similar to eso."

End Quote:

if anyone ever made anything close to eso, Zenimax would sue them.
Zenimax owner sit on their mountain top laughing, they own this monopoly.

Oh yeah, because PUBG had so much success after sueing fortnite right?

karekiz

Agreed with some parts, disagree with others.

If you removed the ghost one shot mechanic from Fang lair vet for example. You basically make it a tank and spank. Who cares if you get hit by ghosts for 95% <If they remove the death touch effect> of your life total when healing is so powerful DPS will be back to 100% with literally *A single button*. It would be MUCH simplar to just flat out ignore the mechanic and push DPS on boss. Trash on the other hand <Excluding slow HA's similar to bone golems> shouldn't generally one shot. The CC craze in Moonhunter trash pull in maze area for example is just annoying for example.

Also its a little incorrect to simply say dmg is either too small or one shot. I run with a lot of non min maxed teams with and without healers. There is dmg. There is quite a lot of dmg.

Machgun94

Great video

miteba

Zer0oo wrote: »

class balance russian roulette every big patch

Gave you an awesome just for that one

Vahrokh

miteba wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

class balance russian roulette every big patch

Gave you an awesome just for that one

But Russian Roulette only has loaded 1 bullet out of 6. ESO balance is 4 bullets out of 6.

kathandira

ZOS Should just remove PVP. Most the complaints I read are about balance in PvP, and performance in PvP.

PvP has failed, just give it up and focus on PvE content.

Mister_DMC

Sums it up pretty well. Took a good look at my playtime over the recent months and have decided ESO is no longer worth my money. This comes from a 4 year player that has sunk hundreds of dollars and thousands of hours into it.