i already spent the transmute crystals !!

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  • ZonasArch
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    How is this helpful? The answer is that it is not in the slightest. Does he not have a legitimate complaint? Of course he does.

    It is ZOS's decision to re-balance things each patch. That naturally leads to people crafting or buying new gear, or changing gear they already own once a new patch goes live. This is extremely common place in MMOs.

    Historically, they telegraph changes on the PTS. We give feed back, and some changes make it live and some do not. Whether you agree with the patch or not, once a fundamental change makes it to live, typically you were safe knowing that any changes you made and resources expended could be expected to last until the next patch, which is about 3 months on average. Any player that doesnt adapt to each patch is almost always at a disadvantage to those that do. Adapting your gear post patch doesnt make you a FOTM chaser, it shows you are intelligent.

    That is not what happened this time around. They telegraphed a meta, people called it out for being over powered, it went live anyway because ZOS ignored player feedback (not the first time). People that adapted to that meta and spent resources doing so have now been told, not once but twice in a week, that they are back to the drawing board. We arent talking about nerfing a tooltop by 10%, we are talking about fundamentally changing game mechanics twice in a week on live.

    It is BS on ZOS's part, and frankly, it's BS for anyone to make snide comments about players acting reasonable given the info at hand. I spent close to a million gold and about 300 transmute trying to adapt to this change twice in a week. Its frustrating and bad for the game. Players have every reason to be pissed about it.

    Note: this has nothing to do with the merits of the change. It has to do with the way in which they were implemented and how players acting in a reasonable manner to these changes got shafted. Add my name to the list.

    Learn the lesson and don't try to take advantage of something that's clearly OP and broken. And let's not kid ourselves... We both know you spent that amount because you wanted to exploit the new broken unbalanced stuff. Servers you well for trying to jump ahead instead of getting there with merit. I'm not sorry for you, in fact, I'm actually kinda entertained.

    Learn the lesson for your own benefit. Nothing will ever stay broken too long. OP maybe, but broken? Nah... Zeni is really good, albeit kinda not fast enough, to hear our feedback and cries. This nerf, or rather proper balancing, was obviously coming since natch potes came out.

    If nothing else, learn to read the future to know when the "new meta" will cease to be meta. Some changes are way too obvious to stay for long and it's part of the whole l2p thing to learn how to read the changes before they come. Or... You take the hit, lose the cash again and move on.

    And enjoy your not-so-meta-anymore gear :) (is meta even changing that bad that you'll need to redo it all? If you're chasing meta that blindly and anxiously, you're likely not that good to even notice the single-digit% damage loss.

    I am sorry, however, for being kinda harsh and rude even. Not too sorry, but still...
  • ZonasArch
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    Everyone's worried about enchant cooldowns and whatnot, while ESOers are currently blowing up Spell Strategist like they want it to get nerfed asap.

    I'm already having fun with that and the Nerf didn't even come yet. "Two months ago you created this meta, I spent 3mi to get this gold gear. Mwah mwah"

    I love the threads, not gonna lie... Bunch of people with more money than reason that can't look ahead a little bit in time only, and are so eagerly diving head first into meta builds like there's no tomorrow.

    I get it for absolute end players, but for the vast majority, it's always, always, better to stick to effective but slightly underperforming sets that are unlikely to get nerfed to hell, so you can focus on learning the game and still be decently effective patch after patch after patch.
  • Taleof2Cities
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    snip
    Edited by Taleof2Cities on November 6, 2018 4:16AM
  • zaria
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    Everyone's worried about enchant cooldowns and whatnot, while ESOers are currently blowing up Spell Strategist like they want it to get nerfed asap.
    And getting lots of transmute crystals farming it :)

    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • max_only
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    idk wrote: »

    Hardly flavor of the month when Zos makes such changes.

    I had to respect two of my skills. One no longer did damage and the other did half the damage as the other morph choice. I guess many of us are chasing the flavor of the month the way you seem to look at it.

    I’d hate to agree but yes, this.
    Valrien wrote: »

    Enchant proc cheese builds are the same as nightblades changing morphs?

    It’s not just Nightblades. They made a few Warden skills so bad there’s no point in slotting them, let alone taking the other useless morph. Artic Blast? Deceptive Predator? The morph of the bear that makes it immortal when pets are immortal now in groups content anyway? And in the content the bear isn’t immortal, a 30% damage reduction for an ULTIMATE that requires both bars. AND they broke pet resistances (supposedly fixed in an incremental patch). They literally, no joke or exaggeration, broke what didn’t need to be fixed.

    So if the “flavor of the month” is to, I don’t know, play the game then...I guess?
    Edited by max_only on November 6, 2018 6:08AM
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  • templesus
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    Valrien wrote: »

    If that's what you want to interpret, by all means go ahead

    All I said was that Infused was still the superior trait for PvE and has been for quite a while

    Not even remotely true for Dual Wield. True end-game PvEers have already made the switch back to Nirn. Infused was only better for single target DPS. With the changes Nirn is now only slightly worse in terms of single target, but far superior when it comes to multi-target.

    Infused would only effectively be better in the Mini-trials, but you don’t bring Stamina into those anyways so it matters not.

    TL;DR - Nirn/Infused >>>> Infused/Infused
  • Knootewoot
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    People on the forums, yes. PvP players probably. But the majority of PvE players who don't use the forums had no idea it was coming

    Why would they not know it? They knew when it became OP.
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  • Da_Leroy
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    Meta changes so fast in this game I gave up following it long long ago.

    My DPS may not be the best but I can still kill stuff and have fun

    But you cant do final content, is it worth it?
  • Bigevilpeter
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    Good thing I still havent transmuted my nirnhoned axe
  • ZonasArch
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    Da_Leroy wrote: »

    But you cant do final content, is it worth it?

    Chasing meta won't make you instantly good enough for end game, and having decent but not BiS gear will probably be enough if you know how to handle yourself, only won't be able to join elitist groups going for scoreboard, but you'll still do the content anyway.

    I ask you... Is it wirth it to spend millions chasing an ever changing meta if you're not trying to get to the to of the scores? Because I know the answer to this one... And I think you know it too...

    More often than not, chasers are just doing it for bragging "look at my gear it's best in slot and everything you have is *** and I'm better than you". Had to deal with many of these before.
  • OneKhajiitCrimeWave
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    ZonasArch wrote: »

    Chasing meta won't make you instantly good enough for end game, and having decent but not BiS gear will probably be enough if you know how to handle yourself, only won't be able to join elitist groups going for scoreboard, but you'll still do the content anyway.

    I ask you... Is it wirth it to spend millions chasing an ever changing meta if you're not trying to get to the to of the scores? Because I know the answer to this one... And I think you know it too...

    More often than not, chasers are just doing it for bragging "look at my gear it's best in slot and everything you have is *** and I'm better than you". Had to deal with many of these before.

    Gods can we frame this for all to see? Lol

    I see "progression" groups advertising for vMoL that ask for "minimum 40k DPS" that are hyper selective for meta gear and fail miserably at the twins.

    They forget that the initial clears of vMoL were done with around 30k DPS, because people took time to learn mechanics etc.

    I'd take someone with slightly not meta gear and a brain in their head than someone with all the gear and no idea (not saying every meta chaser is like this but some most definitely are).
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  • Mr_Walker
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    So what traits are best for DW nightblade now? 2 nirnhoned?

    Not to rub it in OP, but I have many, many transmute crystals.

    Edited by Mr_Walker on November 6, 2018 11:14AM
  • starkerealm
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    Knootewoot wrote: »

    Why would they not know it? They knew when it became OP.

    There's logical problem here.

    Either, they knew it was overpowered, and should have expected the nerf... or they didn't know it was overpowered, and would have no reason to drop a ton of resources on transmuting and upgrading stuff.

    So, which is it?
  • Urvoth
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    How is this helpful? The answer is that it is not in the slightest. Does he not have a legitimate complaint? Of course he does.

    It is ZOS's decision to re-balance things each patch. That naturally leads to people crafting or buying new gear, or changing gear they already own once a new patch goes live. This is extremely common place in MMOs.

    Historically, they telegraph changes on the PTS. We give feed back, and some changes make it live and some do not. Whether you agree with the patch or not, once a fundamental change makes it to live, typically you were safe knowing that any changes you made and resources expended could be expected to last until the next patch, which is about 3 months on average. Any player that doesnt adapt to each patch is almost always at a disadvantage to those that do. Adapting your gear post patch doesnt make you a FOTM chaser, it shows you are intelligent.

    That is not what happened this time around. They telegraphed a meta, people called it out for being over powered, it went live anyway because ZOS ignored player feedback (not the first time). People that adapted to that meta and spent resources doing so have now been told, not once but twice in a week, that they are back to the drawing board. We arent talking about nerfing a tooltop by 10%, we are talking about fundamentally changing game mechanics twice in a week on live.

    It is BS on ZOS's part, and frankly, it's BS for anyone to make snide comments about players acting reasonable given the info at hand. I spent close to a million gold and about 300 transmute trying to adapt to this change twice in a week. Its frustrating and bad for the game. Players have every reason to be pissed about it.

    Note: this has nothing to do with the merits of the change. It has to do with the way in which they were implemented and how players acting in a reasonable manner to these changes got shafted. Add my name to the list.

    How did you spend a million gold? Seems way too excessive. Those enchant changes shouldn't have made live, but it's still good that ZOS changed them when they did instead of waiting 3 months. I was getting pretty tired of having my entire death recap be oblivion damage glyph procs. They were basically a sloads 2.0.
  • xxthir13enxx
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    geonsocal wrote: »
    I wish I had the strength to start destroying my geode crystals... spread over 10 characters I must be sitting at at least 8 to 9 thousand....

    hmmmmm, just maybe one day zos will let us re-purpose them...
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    Heheh yes a convert to furnishing option would be cool to create a small glowing crystal I can throw in a pile in my house...lol I’m sure others would enjoy them as a small accent added to other furnishings
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    lol I still have setups from the Sharpened era on some of my characters.
  • ATomiX96
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    lmfao, I still have over 40 of the 50 transmute gem-geodes lying around on multiple characters, just do 30 day pvp campaign and get those characters to tier1 (50k AP / take 4 keeps and a few ressources) and you are guaranteed to get 1 at the end of the 30 days. If your faction wins you even get 2.

    Transmute crystals shouldnt be a problem at this point of the game, you are just being lazy.
    Edited by ATomiX96 on November 6, 2018 8:29PM
  • Mr_Walker
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    ATomiX96 wrote: »

    Transmute crystals shouldnt be a problem at this point of the game, you are just being lazy.

    Or, maybe, shock horror... they may not PvP!!!

  • Valrien
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »

    Or, maybe, shock horror... they may not PvP!!!

    They really should
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  • Cortimi
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    This is why whenever there is a huge, game mechanics changing patch you should wait for it to go live and ride it out for a month or two and stabilize before making sweeping changes.
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  • CleymenZero
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    ZonasArch wrote: »
    Meta chasers meta chasing. So cute! 😂

    Some people want to play the meta, the way the game designers intended the game to be played at its optimal level. Some people don't.

    He made his choice, you made yours.

    He made his choice because changes were made by the game developer and because it had a destructive impact on pvp, changes were reversed. That's 2 meta changes in 2 weeks. I don't think he's wrong for feeling wronged.
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    How is this helpful? The answer is that it is not in the slightest. Does he not have a legitimate complaint? Of course he does.

    It is ZOS's decision to re-balance things each patch. That naturally leads to people crafting or buying new gear, or changing gear they already own once a new patch goes live. This is extremely common place in MMOs.

    Historically, they telegraph changes on the PTS. We give feed back, and some changes make it live and some do not. Whether you agree with the patch or not, once a fundamental change makes it to live, typically you were safe knowing that any changes you made and resources expended could be expected to last until the next patch, which is about 3 months on average. Any player that doesnt adapt to each patch is almost always at a disadvantage to those that do. Adapting your gear post patch doesnt make you a FOTM chaser, it shows you are intelligent.

    That is not what happened this time around. They telegraphed a meta, people called it out for being over powered, it went live anyway because ZOS ignored player feedback (not the first time). People that adapted to that meta and spent resources doing so have now been told, not once but twice in a week, that they are back to the drawing board. We arent talking about nerfing a tooltop by 10%, we are talking about fundamentally changing game mechanics twice in a week on live.

    It is BS on ZOS's part, and frankly, it's BS for anyone to make snide comments about players acting reasonable given the info at hand. I spent close to a million gold and about 300 transmute trying to adapt to this change twice in a week. Its frustrating and bad for the game. Players have every reason to be pissed about it.

    Note: this has nothing to do with the merits of the change. It has to do with the way in which they were implemented and how players acting in a reasonable manner to these changes got shafted. Add my name to the list.

    First, reasonable is subjective, basing gameplay off of a TEST server isn't reasonable... Second, don't make changes based off of what is meta on PTS? If you are so intelligent, you would give it time in live instead of thinking what was patched less than a week ago wont change, ESPECIALLY when it's called out as being OP? And even intelligence aside, if you have any time in MMO's, you would know OP skills usually get patched relatively quickly.



    Edited by Odnoc on November 7, 2018 4:13AM
  • Odnoc
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    Some people want to play the meta, the way the game designers intended the game to be played at its optimal level. Some people don't.

    He made his choice, you made yours.

    He made his choice because changes were made by the game developer and because it had a destructive impact on pvp, changes were reversed. That's 2 meta changes in 2 weeks. I don't think he's wrong for feeling wronged.

    Obviously if they went back and changed it a week later, it wasn't working as intended. Cute, but wrong.
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    do not waste your crystals for now, Just change enchants, not the traits, you will see just about the same dps!
  • CleymenZero
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    Cortimi wrote: »
    This is why whenever there is a huge, game mechanics changing patch you should wait for it to go live and ride it out for a month or two and stabilize before making sweeping changes.

    I don't know why you guys are apologizing for ZoS. You're blaming him for adjusting, adapting to the change.

    So next patch, I should wait a month or two before playing the game the way they designed the game to be played? How does that make any sense?

    ZoS made a mistake, they owned up to it by admitting it.

    Thing most people don't understand is that the changes were intended for pve. It's not broken and OP in pve, it's perfectly fine. Now it's a problem for pvp so they took off the procs for ticks on skills primarily used in pvp and left em on pve skills.

    So yeah, I did trait change my Advancing Yokeda daggers because that's how the game developers intended for me to play the game. Because the changes destroyed pvp, they reverted some of the changes. I now spent about 150 transmutes that were essentially wasted because of a tunnel-vision pve perspective primarily emerging from the fact that we have 2 games that complete for the developer's attention (pve and pvp).

    Again, the Murkmire meta was good for pve but broke pvp.
    Edited by CleymenZero on November 7, 2018 4:54AM
  • Mr_Walker
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    Valrien wrote: »

    They really should

    Hey, I do! I'm pretty terrible at it, but I still play it. I'm swimming in transmute stones. With another 200 to come at the end of this campaign.

    Can you transmute boe gear for guildies/friends and then give it back?
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    Can you transmute boe gear for guildies/friends and then give it back?

    No, you cannot. A transmuted item becomes BOP.
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    ATomiX96 wrote: »
    lmfao, I still have over 40 of the 50 transmute gem-geodes lying around on multiple characters, just do 30 day pvp campaign and get those characters to tier1 (50k AP / take 4 keeps and a few ressources) and you are guaranteed to get 1 at the end of the 30 days. If your faction wins you even get 2.

    Transmute crystals shouldnt be a problem at this point of the game, you are just being lazy.

    25k AP is enough to get it
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    No, you cannot. A transmuted item becomes BOP.

    Bummer.
  • starkerealm
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »

    Bummer.

    You can help guildies who don't have Clockwork City transmute their stuff. You can buy a Transmutation Station for your house. Also, those stations don't bind, and there are plenty scattered around in the gameworld, if you know which houses to visit.
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