Thanks For This Absolute Terrible Meta

AlienatedGoat · October 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

What do all of these terrible meta's have in common?
Sloads Meta - Your gear does the damage for you

Poisons meta - Your poisons do the debuffing for you

Enchant Meta - Your enchants do more damage than your abilities.

CP meta - 25% more damage, tons of crit, penetration, resources, all without any tradeoffs.

Meanwhile Class skills and passives get gutted.
All of these meta's are garbage tacked on to the game that reduce the power and VALUE of being a Sorcerer, a Warden, a Nightblade, etc.
Power coming from your class abilities has shrunk and all of this gimmicky garbage has been 80% of the battle.

Make Class Choice Matter Again.

AlienatedGoat · October 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

I died at "were not true PvP players". That's too perfect. You're right on.

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

Kadoin · October 2018

Funny, haven't died once to someone doing that...

DKsUnite · October 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

What do all of these terrible meta's have in common?
Sloads Meta - Your gear does the damage for you

Poisons meta - Your poisons do the debuffing for you

Enchant Meta - Your enchants do more damage than your abilities.

CP meta - 25% more damage, tons of crit, penetration, resources, all without any tradeoffs.

Meanwhile Class skills and passives get gutted.
All of these meta's are garbage tacked on to the game that reduce the power and VALUE of being a Sorcerer, a Warden, a Nightblade, etc.
Power coming from your class abilities has shrunk and all of this gimmicky garbage has been 80% of the battle.

Make Class Choice Matter Again.

The day they started making gear do the damage for you is the day it all started going down hill. It was all about skill/class when gear only buffed your character sheet

D0PAMINE · October 2018

Phage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

I died at "were not true PvP players". That's too perfect. You're right on.

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

When I first started PvPing seriously, I would go to all the dueling spots and fight the top players at the time, and I would message them and ask questions, and they would help me out with my build. That ment alot to me within this community.

DKsUnite · October 2018

Phage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

I died at "were not true PvP players". That's too perfect. You're right on.

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

How do I adapt to not having abilities fire because of lag?

WaltherCarraway · October 2018

DKsUnite wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

I died at "were not true PvP players". That's too perfect. You're right on.

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

How do I adapt to not having abilities fire because of lag?

contact your isp.

Sylvermynx · October 2018

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

I died at "were not true PvP players". That's too perfect. You're right on.

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

How do I adapt to not having abilities fire because of lag?

contact your isp.

Heh. Well. With satellite you don't get eggroll. Or lag-free play.... For me there's no way to mitigate 2000 ms lag. Good thing I haven't any use for PVP.... Nope sorry - not going to be fodder.

DKsUnite · October 2018

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

I died at "were not true PvP players". That's too perfect. You're right on.

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

How do I adapt to not having abilities fire because of lag?

contact your isp.

What if the problem isn't with me but with ZOS' terrible coding ability?

Ruckly · October 2018

Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

I was/ am too busy complaining about shields to read the enchant stuff, what'd they do/ break

Enchants proc from both bars now they also proc from both DW swords they proc from DoT damage like bleeds, they CD can be decreased with Torug and power will be increased, now apply this to infused golden Oblivion damage glyph.

This must have been an oversight. I can't imagine it was intended to flip back and forth between both bars just to get a LA in with staff or spam dots to proc enchant on both weapons. It will probably also take a while to admit it was an oversight and be called a feature until something is implemented in a patch which then causes something to be implemented in the next patch which will cause enchants to be corrected in the following patch.

Mihael · October 2018

Phage wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

I'd rather have sloads back with this current meta of enchants. Literally all my deaths in PvP have included 10k+ enchant damage because of the changes that were made. Now when i'm trying to stay alive with healing ward that shield is shredded so I get no healing from that. Removing the heal that was applied when casting healing ward was the absolute second worse change behind enchants. Now when I get decrease health on as a mag user I'm dead without a chance because unresistable damage.

Change. Adapt.

Enough QQ. If you PvP'ers can't handle the nerfs, maybe stop asking for nerfs.

im gonna craft a torugs enchant build and I want you to come duel me on a mag sorc and show me how you "Change. Adapt"

Mihael · October 2018

also still no dev comment on if a fix is coming anytime soon rip

eso_lags · October 2018

Phage wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

I'd rather have sloads back with this current meta of enchants. Literally all my deaths in PvP have included 10k+ enchant damage because of the changes that were made. Now when i'm trying to stay alive with healing ward that shield is shredded so I get no healing from that. Removing the heal that was applied when casting healing ward was the absolute second worse change behind enchants. Now when I get decrease health on as a mag user I'm dead without a chance because unresistable damage.

Change. Adapt.

Enough QQ. If you PvP'ers can't handle the nerfs, maybe stop asking for nerfs.

Phage wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

I'd rather have sloads back with this current meta of enchants. Literally all my deaths in PvP have included 10k+ enchant damage because of the changes that were made. Now when i'm trying to stay alive with healing ward that shield is shredded so I get no healing from that. Removing the heal that was applied when casting healing ward was the absolute second worse change behind enchants. Now when I get decrease health on as a mag user I'm dead without a chance because unresistable damage.

Change. Adapt.

Enough QQ. If you PvP'ers can't handle the nerfs, maybe stop asking for nerfs.

NOBODY asked for that change to healing ward, NOBODY.

Instead you lot whined about shields for days. Whine about shields - ZOS nerfed shields. All shields.

What did you think would happen?

"you pvpers"... "stop asking for nerfs"... "you lot whined about shields"...

Its pretty ignorant to lump everyone together like this person did.. Hopefully most people realize that people like this have zero credibility and should not have their opinions acknowledged at all...

But anyway, sorry about your shields OP.. Im not much of a mag player myself but im sure someone will find a new meta to get around this or the devs will change it if enough people are having an issue with it.

Krymzonbladez · October 2018

They balanced shield for pvp when they made them critable. They wrecked shields for everything else when they reduced them to 40% hp of roles they will never have high enough HP to make much fo a difference due to them needing other stats to keep their sustain and dps up to even get close to the amount needed to do the content they provided. Not every class using light armor can effectively shield stack, and even sorcs who could had to do it the most inefficient way possible, by giving up their much needed space for their damage abilities. The dungeon designers want us to be able to do the same as the top 5% of players but not everyone is the top 5% and designing content for and around them is demonstrably stupid as they are not the people who are investing the majority of the time and funds into the game. Their idea that healers needed to feel more useful is a farce of an idea since they were never just healing to begin with, and good healers didn't have an issue with feeling important when they could heal you through almost any dmg provided you didn't die instantly, not to mention healers do more than just heal as is and are supposed to add some dps and buff/debuff as well.

Krymzonbladez · October 2018

Ruckly wrote: »

Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

I was/ am too busy complaining about shields to read the enchant stuff, what'd they do/ break

Enchants proc from both bars now they also proc from both DW swords they proc from DoT damage like bleeds, they CD can be decreased with Torug and power will be increased, now apply this to infused golden Oblivion damage glyph.

This must have been an oversight. I can't imagine it was intended to flip back and forth between both bars just to get a LA in with staff or spam dots to proc enchant on both weapons. It will probably also take a while to admit it was an oversight and be called a feature until something is implemented in a patch which then causes something to be implemented in the next patch which will cause enchants to be corrected in the following patch.

I doubt it was intentional either since they'd just recently fixed the issue with back bar proccing on front bar, it's probably due to them trying to toss in as many changes as possible in a single patch and it of course wrecking the codes' face.

ResTandRespeC · October 2018

Davor wrote: »

And nobody will leave and quit so nothing will change. Only when people quit and stop playing and or stop giving money to Zenimax will things change. Don't like the changes, stop playing and do something else. Other wise Zenimax will just keep doing what they want to keep doing.

Power is in our hands. When I didn't like the changes Zenimax did, I stopped playing and went to other games. Came back later and saw changes back again to when I like them. Zenimax gets my money when I like what they do. When they do something I don't like, they don't get my money and that money goes to their competitors.

More likely... The game would just die lol

spartaxoxo · October 2018

Katahdin wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

I'd rather have sloads back with this current meta of enchants. Literally all my deaths in PvP have included 10k+ enchant damage because of the changes that were made. Now when i'm trying to stay alive with healing ward that shield is shredded so I get no healing from that. Removing the heal that was applied when casting healing ward was the absolute second worse change behind enchants. Now when I get decrease health on as a mag user I'm dead without a chance because unresistable damage.

Change. Adapt.

Enough QQ. If you PvP'ers can't handle the nerfs, maybe stop asking for nerfs.

Maybe if vet trials weren't all magicka dps only and vet dungeons weren't one tank and 3 magicka dps, they wouldn't have nerfed magicka shields

But they weren't? Here's an example of my vet trial guild VHOF roster.

Veteran Hall of Fabrication Progression
Date: Monday and Wednesday
Time: 10pm EST to 1:00am EST
Leader: name removed
Requirements: prior testing with name removed. Pm if interested.
——————————————
Tank - name
Tank - name
——————————————
Healer name
Healer - name
——————————————
Upstairs:
Mag - name
Mag - name
Mag - name
Mag - name

Melee/ranged DPS: name
Melee/ranged DPS: name
Melee/ranged DPS: name
Melee/ranged DPS: name
—————————————
Approved subs:
Healers:

Tanks:

Dps

Please confirm with a thumbsup you are attending.. if I don't see a thumbsup by Sunday 10pm I will start looking for your replacement.

Champion Points
Iron 66, Spell 34, Thick 48, Hardy 56, EleDef 56
——————————————
@everyone

As you can see there was space for 4 mag and 4 melee, that's an even split.

leepalmer95 · October 2018

Phage wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

I'd rather have sloads back with this current meta of enchants. Literally all my deaths in PvP have included 10k+ enchant damage because of the changes that were made. Now when i'm trying to stay alive with healing ward that shield is shredded so I get no healing from that. Removing the heal that was applied when casting healing ward was the absolute second worse change behind enchants. Now when I get decrease health on as a mag user I'm dead without a chance because unresistable damage.

Change. Adapt.

Enough QQ. If you PvP'ers can't handle the nerfs, maybe stop asking for nerfs.

NOBODY asked for that change to healing ward, NOBODY.

Instead you lot whined about shields for days. Whine about shields - ZOS nerfed shields. All shields.

What did you think would happen?

Zos nerfed shields because of pve.

IlCanis_LupuslI · October 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

Exactly....

IlCanis_LupuslI · October 2018

DKsUnite wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

I died at "were not true PvP players". That's too perfect. You're right on.

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

How do I adapt to not having abilities fire because of lag?

@DKsUnite

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G3mc__ggMVQ
Helped me a lot watch it (if your on Xbox)

Vahrokh · October 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

Yeah, but then their "pleas" are heard and put into practice by non experienced developers

Vahrokh · October 2018

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

I'd rather have sloads back with this current meta of enchants. Literally all my deaths in PvP have included 10k+ enchant damage because of the changes that were made. Now when i'm trying to stay alive with healing ward that shield is shredded so I get no healing from that. Removing the heal that was applied when casting healing ward was the absolute second worse change behind enchants. Now when I get decrease health on as a mag user I'm dead without a chance because unresistable damage.

Change. Adapt.

Enough QQ. If you PvP'ers can't handle the nerfs, maybe stop asking for nerfs.

NOBODY asked for that change to healing ward, NOBODY.

Instead you lot whined about shields for days. Whine about shields - ZOS nerfed shields. All shields.

What did you think would happen?

Zos nerfed shields because of pve.

... making shields crittable. Too bad, PvE mobs don't crit.

DKsUnite · October 2018

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

I died at "were not true PvP players". That's too perfect. You're right on.

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

How do I adapt to not having abilities fire because of lag?

@DKsUnite
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G3mc__ggMVQ
Helped me a lot watch it (if your on Xbox)

PC Master Race

Qbiken · October 2018

Krymzonbladez wrote: »

Ruckly wrote: »

Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

I was/ am too busy complaining about shields to read the enchant stuff, what'd they do/ break

Enchants proc from both bars now they also proc from both DW swords they proc from DoT damage like bleeds, they CD can be decreased with Torug and power will be increased, now apply this to infused golden Oblivion damage glyph.

This must have been an oversight. I can't imagine it was intended to flip back and forth between both bars just to get a LA in with staff or spam dots to proc enchant on both weapons. It will probably also take a while to admit it was an oversight and be called a feature until something is implemented in a patch which then causes something to be implemented in the next patch which will cause enchants to be corrected in the following patch.

I doubt it was intentional either since they'd just recently fixed the issue with back bar proccing on front bar, it's probably due to them trying to toss in as many changes as possible in a single patch and it of course wrecking the codes' face.

The changes made to enchants in this patch was more or less a bug-fix. :P

Sylosi · October 2018

Phage wrote: »

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

Not really, for example every "good" PvP player I've ever watched stream has complained at some point that X is broken OP. (not uncommonly after they just died to it or their opponent has just used it as a get out of jail free card or sometimes when they are actually playing it)

And of course there is a reason for that, because only a complete idiot thinks a game like ESO is going to be anything but an imbalanced cheesefest.

Which is of course why actual good PvP players are off playing fighting games, FPS, etc, not this joke.

Paganini · October 2018

Canceled my ESO-Plus and will barely play PVP till incremental patch. Currently it's just a waste of time to play against those nb dw-glyphe builds.

I mean, just imagine one content creator would have forecasted this glyphe-meta *cough*

TheValar85 · October 2018

this whole thing is just so out of hand, the forum threads are on fire, ZOS is sitting in quiet pretending like nothing happend, (wich is a shameful act) Class representatives are puppets basicly (no offence pls)

I have cheked every froum theard related on this shiled nerf topic and i think accoridng to the feebacks The Majority of the palyers are agreed uppon the fact that this changes needs to reversed. Ofc not every feedback was constructive but there were actualy alot of constructive and alot of feedback was provided on the threads why it is not working out well as ZOS though so.

It is safe to say in the name of those statistic numbers that it is time @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MichaelServotte @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_GaryA to call for a meeting with the developers and inform them with the results and reverse the shileds related nerfs.

NupidStoob · October 2018

DKsUnite wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Phage those that called for shield Nerfs were not true PvP players. We knew they were balanced. It came from PvE players trying PvP and blaming Shields because a big bad sorc killed em.

It wasn't their bad build, it wasn't their lack of LoS, it wasn't their subpar Regen stats, it wasn't their atrocious set decisions; no it was Shields.

Even after murkmire dropped we got "Shields got buff OMG sorc godz!!" Threads.

These are not made by experienced PvPers

I died at "were not true PvP players". That's too perfect. You're right on.

I've said it before, a good PvP'er doesn't play the blame game when they die. They adapt and learn from it.

How do I adapt to not having abilities fire because of lag?

contact your isp.

What if the problem isn't with me but with ZOS' terrible coding ability?

Then it's an even playing field and the people that kill you have to deal with the same issues.

Rex-Umbra · October 2018

What has changed with enchantments?

OrdoHermetica · October 2018

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

What has changed with enchantments?

Quite a few things, but two in particular stand out. From the patch notes:

"Poisons and Weapon Enchantments can now proc even if the damage done by the Light Attack, Heavy Attack, or Weapon Ability is fully absorbed by a damage shield."

"When Dual Wielding, casting a weapon ability can now proc the Weapon Enchantment of either weapon. The system will favor proccing a Weapon Enchantment that is not on cooldown."