Puncturing Sweeps,Jabs and Dark Flare are all broken. Not OP. BROKEN. Video of Dark Flare added.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · October 2018

Well flame staff heavy attacks have been doing something similar the dark flare thing, and for quite a while.

At least you don't end up a metre behind the target when using your charge skill, maybe that can get broken again next patch.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · October 2018

jabs feels better after patch, not sure if it was just me though.

React · October 2018

If this goes live on console and PC still doesn't have a comment on the issues or ETA on a fix, that'll be it for my 5,000+ hours on this game.

The complete lack unwillingness to even ACKNOWLEDGE these bugs is egregious. We've been through patches that have gotten progressively worse in terms of combat bugs over the course of the last year; we got the sprint and knockback bugs in summerset, which got worse in wolfhunter and still haven't been acknowledged. The server lag is at an all time high, and pvp in the main campaigns during prime time is laughable. Theres literally no point in animation cancelling or doing proper rotations, because the game doesn't allow half of the actions to function.

Now this patch has released and they literally have broken multiple classes. There is NO point in playing magicka nightblade in open world without the shade. There is NO point in playing stamina templar anywhere without jabs working. There is NO point in playing any wrecking blow build on any class without dizzying functioning. They literally have ruined pvp on all these classes, and probably won't fix them until next patch.

But you know what? Eso+ issues and cosmetic/furnishing/crown store issues get ACKNOWLEDGED AND FIXED DAY ONE OF THE PATCH. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE COMBAT IN THE GAME BECAUSE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERS WHICH THEY PROFIT THE MOST FROM DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE COMBAT.

Combat has literally taken a back seat to the needs of the roleplayers and questers across tamriel. Its pathetic.

Feindrah · October 2018

I hope they fix this because jabs feels pretty bad now.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · October 2018

JimmyJuJu wrote: »

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Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Dark Flare is also completely broken. New video added to initial link and here as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNF5LTcZ_Cg

Meh, so the action is cancelled if you lose focus on your target. Fortunately, players, bosses, and mobs stand absolutely still and don't dodge or change position. Nor are you ever rooted, stunned, or interrupted. If that were the case, flare would be really broken.

/sarcasm

LOL! I know! Good thing they don't attack me while I'm trying to get a bead on em! LOL!

Trinity_Is_My_Name · October 2018

MrUntouchable wrote: »

Another maintenance and still no fix or comments. Feelsbadman.

Yeah, I didn't expect them to fix this mess so soon. The way it usually goes is it takes the next DLC to fix the old problems so new ones can be introduced. LOL!

NyassaV · October 2018

I did a bit of Stamplar on Tuesday and I felt like Jabs was missing more but frankly it wasn't that bad.

JimmyJuJu · October 2018

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

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JimmyJuJu wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Dark Flare is also completely broken. New video added to initial link and here as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNF5LTcZ_Cg

Meh, so the action is cancelled if you lose focus on your target. Fortunately, players, bosses, and mobs stand absolutely still and don't dodge or change position. Nor are you ever rooted, stunned, or interrupted. If that were the case, flare would be really broken.

/sarcasm

LOL! I know! Good thing they don't attack me while I'm trying to get a bead on em! LOL!

Ah, dark flare. You have so much potential. But - alas - are a miserable failure. So sad.

Mudcrabber · October 2018

Sweeps has been feeling weird for me too, like it's aborting halfway most of the time, and it feels weaker. But I haven't taken the time to tell whether it was just cosmetic or it actually stops hitting enemies.

JimmyJuJu · October 2018

Mudcrabber wrote: »

Sweeps has been feeling weird for me too, like it's aborting halfway most of the time, and it feels weaker. But I haven't taken the time to tell whether it was just cosmetic or it actually stops hitting enemies.

This is interesting, it feels slightly stronger for me. I managed to get just shy of an 8k fully-buffed, critical hit on trash mobs (zombies). I'm usually in the low -7's. Probably a big part of that is the buff to minor sorcery (which is awesome, btw).

That aside, sweeps and jabs certainly do feel (and look) sluggish.

j3crow · October 2018

I can confirm. Jabs is definitely broken and not performing correctly. Very much like a previous bug

Jimmy_The_Fixer · October 2018

Liam12548 wrote: »

If this goes live on console and PC still doesn't have a comment on the issues or ETA on a fix, that'll be it for my 5,000+ hours on this game.

The complete lack unwillingness to even ACKNOWLEDGE these bugs is egregious. We've been through patches that have gotten progressively worse in terms of combat bugs over the course of the last year; we got the sprint and knockback bugs in summerset, which got worse in wolfhunter and still haven't been acknowledged. The server lag is at an all time high, and pvp in the main campaigns during prime time is laughable. Theres literally no point in animation cancelling or doing proper rotations, because the game doesn't allow half of the actions to function.

Now this patch has released and they literally have broken multiple classes. There is NO point in playing magicka nightblade in open world without the shade. There is NO point in playing stamina templar anywhere without jabs working. There is NO point in playing any wrecking blow build on any class without dizzying functioning. They literally have ruined pvp on all these classes, and probably won't fix them until next patch.

But you know what? Eso+ issues and cosmetic/furnishing/crown store issues get ACKNOWLEDGED AND FIXED DAY ONE OF THE PATCH. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE COMBAT IN THE GAME BECAUSE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERS WHICH THEY PROFIT THE MOST FROM DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE COMBAT.

Combat has literally taken a back seat to the needs of the roleplayers and questers across tamriel. Its pathetic.

Crown store is probably much easier to fix since it has fewer moving parts than the combat system. Plus they probably have different people working on each system, its silly to think that ZoS is actively choosing to let combat be broken for the sake of the crown store.

Also, Dark Flare is broken to the point of being unusable, I guess I'll slot something else until a fix comes through.

React · October 2018

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

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Liam12548 wrote: »

If this goes live on console and PC still doesn't have a comment on the issues or ETA on a fix, that'll be it for my 5,000+ hours on this game.

The complete lack unwillingness to even ACKNOWLEDGE these bugs is egregious. We've been through patches that have gotten progressively worse in terms of combat bugs over the course of the last year; we got the sprint and knockback bugs in summerset, which got worse in wolfhunter and still haven't been acknowledged. The server lag is at an all time high, and pvp in the main campaigns during prime time is laughable. Theres literally no point in animation cancelling or doing proper rotations, because the game doesn't allow half of the actions to function.

Now this patch has released and they literally have broken multiple classes. There is NO point in playing magicka nightblade in open world without the shade. There is NO point in playing stamina templar anywhere without jabs working. There is NO point in playing any wrecking blow build on any class without dizzying functioning. They literally have ruined pvp on all these classes, and probably won't fix them until next patch.

But you know what? Eso+ issues and cosmetic/furnishing/crown store issues get ACKNOWLEDGED AND FIXED DAY ONE OF THE PATCH. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE COMBAT IN THE GAME BECAUSE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERS WHICH THEY PROFIT THE MOST FROM DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE COMBAT.

Combat has literally taken a back seat to the needs of the roleplayers and questers across tamriel. Its pathetic.

Crown store is probably much easier to fix since it has fewer moving parts than the combat system. Plus they probably have different people working on each system, its silly to think that ZoS is actively choosing to let combat be broken for the sake of the crown store.

Also, Dark Flare is broken to the point of being unusable, I guess I'll slot something else until a fix comes through.

Silly? This has ALWAYS been the case. Either zos has their most competent developers working on the crown store, or their pvp/combat developers are literally incompetent. There are gsmebreaking bugs that have been reported numerous times over the past year that haven't even been acknowledged, while they readily comment on each and every housing/crown related issue that arises.

I'd be inclined to believe you if I hadn't experienced 3 years of this exact scenario repeating itself.

JimmyJuJu · October 2018

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Also, Dark Flare is broken to the point of being unusable, I guess I'll slot something else until a fix comes through.

There's always solar barrage.

<and then there was silience>

j3crow · October 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Would it be possible to get a confirmation on the possible bug with jabs?

Thank you

React · October 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Gilliam

Willing to comment on any of these bugs?

Volckodav · October 2018

Same here, really hard to play my templar.

I don't know what to do, PvP with sloady enchant is a nightmare, skill are broken, no feedback from ZoS....I wonder what I'm paying for here as an ESO+.

Sailor_Palutena · October 2018

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

This is what it should look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ydiSSG4RY

I use that skill all the time and it is just like the first example. Never seen it work like the second.

Cinbri · October 2018

Jabs hugely affected by server lag as always. On first day of update lag was insane, and we all experienced that coz of it jabs was working terribly, almost not working at all. But when there is less lag I feel jabs are awesome and does able to hit opponent, far better then pre-update.
But there is indeed small problem with its final jab hit animation that is prolonging duration. Its clunky and cause of unresponsiveness. idk if it remain of old targeting mechanic or it is serve part of this channels internal cooldown that actually should not be in this skill.
This especially visible by using new targeting mechanic, when final tick animation still force-playing and no longer follow cursor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mWdiJ-CNXg
But this cooldown can be bypassed by either:
1. weaving light attacks
2. preemptive press next jab button before final tick animation.
In this case it work as good as it should:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyOoqhqADJQ

And allow to remove clunkiness of final animation even in camera rotations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxXTW6219rc

JimmyJuJu · October 2018

This is another thread about dizzying swing/wrecking blow that has the same symptoms as dark flare - the cast is cancelled if you lose focus from your target. I strongly suspect this is an issue with all channeled abilities.

Has anyone tested snipe?

Cinbri · October 2018

JimmyJuJu wrote: »

This is another thread about dizzying swing/wrecking blow that has the same symptoms as dark flare - the cast is cancelled if you lose focus from your target. I strongly suspect this is an issue with all channeled abilities.

Has anyone tested snipe?

It affect everything, including hard casted Frags. This bug was already on pts however.

JimmyJuJu · October 2018

Cinbri wrote: »

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JimmyJuJu wrote: »

This is another thread about dizzying swing/wrecking blow that has the same symptoms as dark flare - the cast is cancelled if you lose focus from your target. I strongly suspect this is an issue with all channeled abilities.

Has anyone tested snipe?

It affect everything, including hard casted Frags. This bug was already on pts however.

Lol, awesome. Well, I guess this is one way to "nerf everything". I might send my magplar on leave and call up my stamplar for duty. He's got 2 infused spriggan's swords, and 2 infused spriggan's axes and level 4 rending slashes ready to go for the dual-wield, quad-proc party.

mustangmorgan31 · October 2018

I wish they would fix jabs because I can't even play my templars since the patch. With sweeps feeling so laggy, clunky, and horrid, I absolutely cringe playing the toon. I force myself to do the murkmire dailies and that is all I can handle on my templars.

MrUntouchable · October 2018

mustangmorgan31 wrote: »

I wish they would fix jabs because I can't even play my templars since the patch. With sweeps feeling so laggy, clunky, and horrid, I absolutely cringe playing the toon. I force myself to do the murkmire dailies and that is all I can handle on my templars.

Same here, it feels awful. I can't wait for the fix. Hopefully it doesn't take much longer.

Maikon · October 2018

I've heard that all the channeled skills have been bugged for the past 3 years, and that you actually have to have your reticle on your target for the skill to go off (like it is for all other skills).

LinearParadox · October 2018

This thread has existed for over three days. It contains intelligent, constructive feedback and not just one but numerous videos detailing the issue and the circumstance it presents in.
Multiple @ tags for attention.
No ZoS reply.

I make a thread commenting on how terrible the patch was and listing off just a few of the multitude of issues with no foul language or anything. No @ tags for attention.
Moderator reply warning to "be constructive" in under an hour.

Welcome to the forums guys.
They wonder why they're full of salt and angry sentiment, why players claim they're ignored.

JimmyJuJu · October 2018

LinearParadox wrote: »

Thread has existed for over three days, contains constructive feedback and not one but numerous videos detailing the issue and the circumstance it presents in.
No ZoS reply.

I make a thread commenting on how terrible the patch was and listing off just a few of the multitude of issues with no foul language or anything...
Moderator reply warning to "be constructive" in under an hour.

Welcome to the forums guys.
They wonder why they're full of salt and angry sentiment, why players claim they're ignored.

Honestly, they are probably working their a**es off, pulling overtime to patch the numerous Murkmire bugs so they roll that patch into the PS4 and XBox releases. And ZOS should really try to hire another 1 or 2 community managers to keep in better contact with the community.

I don't fault the developers - they are the workers trying to make this a better game. I fault management who appear to exist in a bubble (be it truth or not). Maybe they need their shields nerfed a little, too.

Ramber · October 2018

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Links to vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufFRWjVxng

And Magicka Templar here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2UcJ55VO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNF5LTcZ_Cg

Try adding more add ons lol omfg thats a lot of stuff to look at and may actually be slowing down your experience.

Tabatha · October 2018

This should at the bare minimum be addressed.

MrUntouchable · October 2018

Ramber wrote: »

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Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Links to vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufFRWjVxng

And Magicka Templar here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2UcJ55VO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNF5LTcZ_Cg

Try adding more add ons lol omfg thats a lot of stuff to look at and may actually be slowing down your experience.

I tried it without any addons turned on and got the exact same results.