Stop Raising the CP Cap With Each Patch

WuffyCerulei

Okay so we all know Champion points are cool and all. They offer an end-game goal rather than stagnating at level 50 or old vet rank 16. It has its issues, of course. However, the constant usable cap increase with each patch is becoming more daunting for newer players. End-game progression shouldn't be a grind, but it is. I'll take the end-game pve community. This community is suffering with both people scared off by the CP grind or vet people quitting. It can days or weeks to get to the current cap. It's just becoming too much for newet players.

I may have over 1100 CP, but with each patch, the extra points are just becoming more and more useless with the diminishing returns on CP.

So yeah, ZOS. Stop raising the cap. It's not helping to get in newer players that will stick. And even reduce the experience needed to get CP. Make it faster so it's not a grind.

PS: For any newer players interested in the end-game trials and stuff, you don't have to be capped.

Sheezabeast

Zos gives plenty of ways to catch up with CP, multiple ways like the variety of xp pots, scrolls, and double xp events. If xp was hard to get I could see the issue but it’s never been easier to catch up than nowadays.

MajBludd

Cps are a stupid system that seems to have had little thought for the future.

What happens when we have all the trees maxed? It's just a poor system, VR was too, imo.

With a little thought they could have done something better, more in depth to make things a bit more diverse. Meaning they could have done a specialty tree.

For example, night blade could have had rogue , thief, or assassin trees. A system to specialize how you play.

I'm positive they could have done a bit more, but, that often seems to be the case.

LoveForElderScrolls

Or just come to no-cp campaign and ease some hardship from our shoulders. We struggle to defend our keeps because there is no one to defend the keeps after we leave. Have fun in no-cp while raising your cp at the time instead of doing the boring grinding for XP.

MajBludd

What server are you on because sotha is dead on pc na. Most of the time I check the pop, it's 1 bar all factions.

richo262

They should be cashed in for useful things. Like a Lunchbox (Craftbag for crown /crafted food and drink) or an Alchemy pouch (crown / crafted poisons and potions) or a Utility belt (crown and normal repair kits / lock picks / undaunted keys / key shards / edicts) or Azuras star (crown and normal soul gems and empty soul gems).

Ie cash in 100 points and get all 3 5piece perks permanently unlocked (you'd only use 100 points at a time anyway) and a lunch box.

Cash in 200 and get Spell crit, precise strikes and the direct damage perk (you'd only use 200 at a time as one is stam and one is mag) permanently unlocked along with Azuras Star.

Cash in 300 and get three perks out of the thief line permanently unlocked and get the Alchemy pouch.

That is 600 CP wiped out. Back to 180 (210) CP max. Then we get to do it all over again. And we have essentially destroyed the CP system by 1/4.

Irkoo

MajBludd wrote: »

For example, night blade could have had rogue , thief, or assassin trees. A system to specialize how you play.

Oh how i'd love to see that, that would be a whole game changer and it would of opened doors for a whole lot of different builds per class. Now it's just meh, either everyone is running the same builds.

TheShadowScout

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

So yeah, ZOS. Stop raising the cap. It's not helping to get in newer players that will stick. And even reduce the experience needed to get CP. Make it faster so it's not a grind.

Nah.

Keep raising the CP cap with every quater-annual DLC/Expansion, so people can still feel their characters got better... even tho thanks to diminishing returns their improvements are not all that great in practice.

And as far as I know, every time they raise the cap, the catchup mechanic perks up as well and reduces the experience needed to get CP at lower levels... and the new rewards do give out increased XP scrolls like candy...

What I would like to see instead are more choices to make people think about where they want to spend their CP.
Like... sub-stars to further specialize, but unlike the main stars with a "can choose only one" mechanic. Possibly even with some drawback with some, making people think twice if they for example really want to specialize in swords at the expense of getting a debuff for all the other melee weapons, etc.

richo262

MajBludd wrote: »

Cps are a stupid system that seems to have had little thought for the future.

What happens when we have all the trees maxed? It's just a poor system, VR was too, imo.

With a little thought they could have done something better, more in depth to make things a bit more diverse. Meaning they could have done a specialty tree.

For example, night blade could have had rogue , thief, or assassin trees. A system to specialize how you play.

I'm positive they could have done a bit more, but, that often seems to be the case.

I actually think the Nightblade class could be destroyed.

Have Siphon merge with Soul Magic
Shadow, Legerdemain and the Thieves guild merge into a proper skill tree.
Assassination become a proper skill tree in the Dark Brotherhood.

For anyone that has ESO now, and does not have those DLC's, have an NPC that will grant them the skill line (minus locked passives that are present now). Or find another way to do it without putting things behind pay walls for those that already have ESO and do not have those DLCs.

Miraslova

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Okay so we all know Champion points are cool and all. They offer an end-game goal rather than stagnating at level 50 or old vet rank 16. It has its issues, of course. However, the constant usable cap increase with each patch is becoming more daunting for newer players. End-game progression shouldn't be a grind, but it is. I'll take the end-game pve community. This community is suffering with both people scared off by the CP grind or vet people quitting. It can days or weeks to get to the current cap. It's just becoming too much for newet players.

I may have over 1100 CP, but with each patch, the extra points are just becoming more and more useless with the diminishing returns on CP.

So yeah, ZOS. Stop raising the cap. It's not helping to get in newer players that will stick. And even reduce the experience needed to get CP. Make it faster so it's not a grind.

PS: For any newer players interested in the end-game trials and stuff, you don't have to be capped.

They don't raise each patch, they sometimes raise with a new DLC.

Jameliel

Eventually they have to either change the system or go full pay to win. This sort of system has been proven unsustainable in other mmos. Skyforge is probably the most recent.

Cadbury

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

PS: For any newer players interested in the end-game trials and stuff, you don't have to be capped.

Unfortunately, alot of vets are reinforcing the idea that maxed cp players should only be allowed in vet dungeons. I've already seen a couple of guilds asking for 810cp players "ready for Murkmire".

I can't imagine ZOS raising the CP cap indefinitely. Something has to change.

GreenhaloX

Nope.. continue onward with the CPs. No need to change something that isn't broken. Perhaps.. tweak it just a little bit and bring it down to every 2 months. Ha ha

Mr_Walker

MajBludd wrote: »

What happens when we have all the trees maxed?

Do the maths, at the current rate we are a LONG way off that.

DanteYoda

Agree should'a stopped at 160.

Jimmy

I have had 2 friends I work with, not give ESO a proper chance, because of how far behind they would start in CP system.

So I agree fully with the OP that ZOS needs to cool it.

And just like OP, this is coming from a capped CP player.

ItsMeToo

I say no. Leave it as is.

O_LYKOS

I’m for it increasing. Maybe not every dlc. Perhaps each exemption. Morrowind. Somerset. Etc.

Skullstachio

Or they could tinker with the mundus stones so that they buff certain CP skills while reducing the effectiveness of certain opposite CP skills based on the chosen Mundus stone, it could create a greater diversity, using a stone to buff damage at the cost of Armor CP’s or the like, or even use a different one to buff resistance CP’s at the cost of reduced Damage done, so many combinations to be thought of with so much diversity.

kylewwefan

Yeah. I could take a few years off and still be capped. Just open them all up. Let me use them all now!

starkerealm

Okay, so, show of hands: In this thread, who understands that the XP cost for each CP is directly tied to the CP cap?

As the CP cap increases, getting to the same CP as everyone else gets significantly cheaper. In fact, getting to 160 now costs less than it did to reach v16 originally.

Anyone?

SpacemanSpiff1

The xp needed to reach cap is rescaled every time the cap is raised. the cap goes up, the xp to get there doesn't.

Maryal

I like it the way it is. I am at the CP cap and am looking forward to creating a hybrid that can wield damage on par with that of a pure stam or pure magica build (will have to wait for the CP cap to reach 900-950 for that to happen). As of the last dlc, I began investing my 'CP increase' points in magica nodes since I already reached diminishing returns on stamina nodes. Being able to diversify like this opens up all sorts of possibilities and I am very excited about it!

SHADOW2KK

Naw, continue raising the CP cap, although unless they give full access to your CP`s again, then I could take a year or two off and still be above cap

Hoolielulu

Numbers I'll never catch up to. I'm chasing that cp.

TheValar85

They only rasing cp yearly with 30 level. i dont think thats much. so i am fine with that.
I always wanted to know btw how will my toon looks when i have very trait maxed out on ever tree

Fleshreaper

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Okay so we all know Champion points are cool and all. They offer an end-game goal rather than stagnating at level 50 or old vet rank 16. It has its issues, of course. However, the constant usable cap increase with each patch is becoming more daunting for newer players. End-game progression shouldn't be a grind, but it is. I'll take the end-game pve community. This community is suffering with both people scared off by the CP grind or vet people quitting. It can days or weeks to get to the current cap. It's just becoming too much for newet players.

I may have over 1100 CP, but with each patch, the extra points are just becoming more and more useless with the diminishing returns on CP.

So yeah, ZOS. Stop raising the cap. It's not helping to get in newer players that will stick. And even reduce the experience needed to get CP. Make it faster so it's not a grind.

PS: For any newer players interested in the end-game trials and stuff, you don't have to be capped.

To be honest, if you don't have or don't want to spend "days or weeks" leveling to max, then MMORPGs are probably not for you. As a new player your first goal should not be end game trails. Your first goal should be skill points. And to get max skill points you will have to run through the story quests and zone picking up skyshards, lore books, delves, dolmens, and public delves. With all the exp buffing items, running Cadwell's silver and gold, you will get max CP and by the time you have all of your skill points, you will be ready to start group content. This whole thing sounds like the give it to me and give it to me right now without me having to do anything for it, mentality.

Fleshreaper

Irkoo wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

For example, night blade could have had rogue , thief, or assassin trees. A system to specialize how you play.

Oh how i'd love to see that, that would be a whole game changer and it would of opened doors for a whole lot of different builds per class. Now it's just meh, either everyone is running the same builds.

And you think that would take the meta cookie cutter build away. No, it will not. There would still be the one way is right and everything else is wrong. So, this would be a lot of work for NOTHING. It would only compound the balancing issues 10 fold.

Fleshreaper

Cadbury wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

PS: For any newer players interested in the end-game trials and stuff, you don't have to be capped.

Unfortunately, alot of vets are reinforcing the idea that maxed cp players should only be allowed in vet dungeons. I've already seen a couple of guilds asking for 810cp players "ready for Murkmire".

I can't imagine ZOS raising the CP cap indefinitely. Something has to change.

A low CP player should not be in DLC vet delves or vet trials. These guild are looking for progression teams for vet delves and trials and there is nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of other social/casual guilds out there that run vet delves and regular trials with non capped CP players.

GimpyPorcupine

Hoolielulu wrote: »

Numbers I'll never catch up to. I'm chasing that cp.

Don't. Play, have fun, the CP will come.

Luthivar

Actually, newer players should have an easy time raising their cp, because the experience curve is constantly adjusted with every raise of the cp cap. If you find it too easy playing with them, try bgs, no-cp campaigns or for pve, cap yourself and don't spend them all. Easy as that.