some people may complain about this game but it's 5 times better than wow

kaiage

eso has more naryu.

hey naryu, I won't die on you. ;d

Perwulf

There are 5 types of complaints for 5 types of people:

• WoW fandom that tries ESO or the Old school MMOers that refuses change. The ones that keeps the generic MMOs alive.
• No waifus/weaboo pixels. A dedicated Asian MMO gamer's perspective or in short, weaboo.
• Envious players a.k.a Window shoppers of micro-transaction. Try looking at negative steam reviews.
• Salty fandom of TES:V kids expecting Skyrim Online. Also, did you notice that I've put TES:V instead of just TES? It's because Skyrim is their first rodeo in TESverse.

Ragnarock41

Aliyavana wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

bootie101 wrote: »

I just unsubbed from wow last month. I enjoy eso more cause of the storys and craft system.

eso has a better story

lol. Just lol.

Wow has characters who are special snowflake demigods and a forced faction war and the story has highly downgraded after wrath. Elder scrolls has a better universe and better written characters

Thats just fan bias tbh. I've experienced both series, I don't like wow, but warcraft lore > tes lore. simple as that.

For the record I'm not a wow fan anymore and I don't know what they did with the story after I left. wow pretty much died for me after pandaria or whatever. When I say warcraft lore it involves more than just wow. Just like how TES lore involves a lot more than ESO.

kaiage

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

bootie101 wrote: »

I just unsubbed from wow last month. I enjoy eso more cause of the storys and craft system.

eso has a better story

lol. Just lol.

Wow has characters who are special snowflake demigods and a forced faction war and the story has highly downgraded after wrath. Elder scrolls has a better universe and better written characters

Thats just fan bias. I've experienced both series, I don't like wow, but warcraft lore > tes lore. simple as that.

Plus, they killed off Ysera, the dragon that helped me sleep at night. Now I have insomnia. Thanks a lot Blizzard.

Sylvermynx

LegacyDM wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Yeah but wow actually has servers that work...in my time playing and completing legion and bfoa I’ve never had lag or ping issues in pvp or pve...while the game itself maybe going down hill, it’s refreshing to log into a game where I don’t have to worry about lag and performance issues. It’s smooth as butter.

idk they complain about lag in their forums also i just took a break to play it for 6 months, but i didn't really have any there. and to be fair i get no lag in PVE or even BG's or i don't want to say none ever but little enough to where i don't think about it and cant remember the last time, probably last dlc launch. only time is prime time in cyro, any other time i get no lag there either. and i know i always get hate when i say this but besides having giant zergs on your screen i think most people blame ZOS for their computers and internet.

Shrug, all I can say is from my own experience never had lag on wow in pvp or pve. No lag in overwatch, Star craft 2, or diablo 3. People can hate on blizzard all they want but at least they have functioning games.

My experience as well, not only less lag in WoW but also in RIFT. In ESO, I have redping at 999+ all the time (and I know it's really at least 2000 ms); when I left WoW in 2013, my ping averaged 1000 ms or somewhat less (weekdays I had less than weekends), and the same for RIFT which I left in 2016. Same satellite connection, but now I have a much beefier machine than I had in the other two games.

There's really no way for me to handle the actual quest lines in this game (the solo dungeon stuff I mean) with the kind of lag I have here. I love ES, so I'm happy playing since I love the stories (I wasn't thrilled with the stories in either WoW or RIFT), lag or not.

Zardayne

I prefer ESO's world but I enjoy the classes and PVP way more in WoW.

I don't think ESO has more flexibility in builds either.I don't call most Stamina build running endless hail, caltrops, poison injection, and dawnbreaker and most magic builds running blockade, elemental rage, and harness magica, and inner light flexibility. Quite a few abilities are almost mandatory in builds unless your that special snowflake still trying to make a hybrid work or your mainly an overland hunter that plays solo.

Sylvermynx

Zardayne wrote: »

I prefer ESO's world but I enjoy the classes and PVP way more in WoW.

Well.... yeah.... I seriously miss my hunters.

ResTandRespeC

magictucktuck wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Yeah but wow actually has servers that work...in my time playing and completing legion and bfoa I’ve never had lag or ping issues in pvp or pve...while the game itself maybe going down hill, it’s refreshing to log into a game where I don’t have to worry about lag and performance issues. It’s smooth as butter.

idk they complain about lag in their forums also i just took a break to play it for 6 months, but i didn't really have any there. and to be fair i get no lag in PVE or even BG's or i don't want to say none ever but little enough to where i don't think about it and cant remember the last time, probably last dlc launch. only time is prime time in cyro, any other time i get no lag there either. and i know i always get hate when i say this but besides having giant zergs on your screen i think most people blame ZOS for their computers and internet.

Shrug, all I can say is from my own experience never had lag on wow in pvp or pve. No lag in overwatch, Star craft 2, or diablo 3. People can hate on blizzard all they want but at least they have functioning games.

well not to say they its bad over there i didn't have lag there either besides a few times like BFA launch, i just was trying to say its not bad here for me either but people complain about it on the forums. i just think on forums it gets overblown because a lot of the hardcore "pvp raiders" are on here which is where the lag is and plus the fact people come here to complain when they are not regulars, they don't come here to say everything is good im playing right now. unless your like us and hang out on here at work lol but i just feel its a stretch to say the game is not functioning when lots of people are not having issues

The lag and glitches really is that bad here though. Every other vma run i have to restart on the 2nd round boss fight because a glitch with my inferno staff makes it so I cant light attack leading me to lose 15-20 seconds because I am unable to burn the centurions effectively. Or on the 7th round boss having the casters come out but the lighting change doesn't happen and neither does the plant aoes indicator happen until they have already exploded. Or spawn portals not showing and all of the sudden the enemies just pop out of nowhere. The list goes on, and this is just playing solo. Much much worse things happen in places like vAS or vCR

Zardayne

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Zardayne wrote: »

I prefer ESO's world but I enjoy the classes and PVP way more in WoW.

Well.... yeah.... I seriously miss my hunters.

My druid

Vahrokh

WoW is a superior breed compared to ESO, which is decent but has never been a shining star in the sky.

VASTLY Better PvP, VASTLY better servers, VASTLY better PvE when I last played it.

I did quit WoW, when they made way too easy, but then... they also made ESO way too easy, to the point that killing Molag Baal is now an AFK affair. Used to be mildly challenging when ESO was good.

WoW has outdated "classic" gameplay and aiming compared to ESO and it's graphics have never "resonated" with me.

But all the rest is better. Even "classic" is good, when the quality is OK.

I recall main tanking some raids where 0.2s made the difference with taunting, tanks swapping (only seen Rakhat fight with tank swapping in ESO). In WoW you could actually create encounters demanding 0.2s precision actions, because the engine is that good. In ESO sometimes damage won't even register at all, or register all at once, or choke / lag the instance.
WoW has an ancient network code, yet it's flawless. ESO even in the most basic things lags, invites fail, queues get stuck, abilities get randomly hung.

srfrogg23

geekboy09 wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Just looked at a portion of those reviews also... ESO Community, get ready to help "Battle for Azeroth" expansion survivors when they find ESO. Looks like many are having their virtual home burnt down.

Heh, go read the WoW forums. There's usually at least 3 topics about quitting and a whole lot of people talking about how good ESO is. Were getting a lot of new people soon

Do you have a link to a discussion?

Meh. They're usually on the front page. Takes about 30 seconds to find the juicier ones.

srfrogg23

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Zardayne wrote: »

I prefer ESO's world but I enjoy the classes and PVP way more in WoW.

Well.... yeah.... I seriously miss my hunters.

I did until I made a bow/bow stamwarden.

SRASinister

srfrogg23 wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Just looked at a portion of those reviews also... ESO Community, get ready to help "Battle for Azeroth" expansion survivors when they find ESO. Looks like many are having their virtual home burnt down.

Heh, go read the WoW forums. There's usually at least 3 topics about quitting and a whole lot of people talking about how good ESO is. Were getting a lot of new people soon

Do you have a link to a discussion?

Meh. They're usually on the front page. Takes about 30 seconds to find the juicier ones.

Yeah but forum rules here will not let people post quitting threads. They are usually just deleted right away. ESO does have a lot of people that quit. A lot of increased population on pc is from consoles making the switch over too. WoW has been out ten more years than ESO so of course things are going to feel dated.

Toc de Malsvi

LegacyDM wrote: »

Yeah but wow actually has servers that work...in my time playing and completing legion and bfoa I’ve never had lag or ping issues in pvp or pve...while the game itself maybe going down hill, it’s refreshing to log into a game where I don’t have to worry about lag and performance issues. It’s smooth as butter.

^this

I can and have played WoW in Afghanistan. I could barely log into ESO even with the graphics turned to the lowest setting, I constantly dcd.

Where in WoW with a bad connection, I could level new characters to fight in the lvl 10 BGs where there are significantly less spell animations. In ESO there is no safe area devoid of lag. It is a laggy mess wherever you go.

Girl_Number8

Leeeeeeeroy Jenkins~ LMAO xD



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hooKVstzbz0

ezio45

we not comparing eso to wow, were comparing eso to eso in previous yrs. Without a doubt eso is less fun now than even 2 yrs ago.

Have improvements been made, yes. But things like transmutation and changing armor style, while nice are not going to improve the overall fun of the game.

What does make the game fun? combat, trials, dungeons, pvp, quests. ALL of which have gotten progressively worse over the last year. ALL of these with the exception of possible quests pale in comparison to their prior states and that is why we are complaining

Were not happy with the over all direction of the game since at least morrowind, most players 1 tam

johnbonne

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I can overlook outdated graphics if the gameplay is rewarding. But the gameplay in WoW is awful.

I mostly disagree but I to answer your question, it's likely emotional investment. A lot of people who play WoW don't play any other video games, or other MMOs. They've tried games like this and are overwhelmed or just can't get to grips with it. MMOs require a huge time investment, it's hard to juggle several at once (kudos to you if you can though), so when people started playing what was once considered the MMO to play they didn't stop, and saw it through thick and thin. For some it was worth it, with expansions such as Legion and, um... my point is, folks find it hard to put down. Who would want to after grinding for Insane in the Membrane or finally getting Invincible's Reigns?

The only reasons I play are 1) social aspects and 2) goals. Without either, I don't log in. However, the criticisms you have merely facilitate my ability to socialise and accomplish what I want to.

I'm not saying you're wrong, by the way, I think your critique is fair and there's quite clearly little they can do without either a colossal change in management (and I don't mean shuffling around the same people who are responsible for its decline) or engine. I doubt a WoW 2 would be as successful due to having to start over and not having that original emotional bond. As Terenas Menethil rightly says, "no king rules for ever, my son".

rain.bird

bought BFA, did my obligatory main 2 chars from 110 to 120 (both have existed since vanilla, day 1) ... parked, them in Orgrimmar and Stormwind as usual .. unsubbed ...

can not stomach more than that ... pitiful game at this point ...

Athannos

I quit WoW back in April, after the game director Ion Hazzikostas went on a live stream to basically trash and mock a portion of the playerbase that were campaigning for months for a specific race to be added.

That was the last straw for me - don't mock your paying customers.

I've tried both GW2 and ESO since and I eventually settled on ESO.

The experience is truly mindblowingly different and refreshing.

Both the devs and the community (in-game, forums) seem far more friendly, supportive and civil, instead of being at war with each other. You think our forums are bad? Check out WoW's general discussion - 10% threatening to quit, 20% miscellaneous QQ, 70% utter abuse.

The freedom of RP/customization ESO offers is unmatched, from character creator, to questing, to builds. Everything looks so incredibly detailed and realistic. The fully voice acted questing... ❤❤❤

Literally the only thing I miss from WoW is class diversity, which ESO is very lackluster at. Especially when you need to slap an Inferno Staff on every class (exaggerating) and suddenly everyone's a fire mage.

ezio45

Athannos wrote: »

I quit WoW back in April, after the game director Ion Hazzikostas went on a live stream to basically trash and mock a portion of the playerbase that were campaigning for months for a specific race to be added.

That was the last straw for me - don't mock your paying customers.

I've tried both GW2 and ESO since and I eventually settled on ESO.

The experience is truly mindblowingly different and refreshing.

Both the devs and the community (in-game, forums) seem far more friendly, supportive and civil, instead of being at war with each other. You think our forums are bad? Check out WoW's general discussion - 10% threatening to quit, 20% miscellaneous QQ, 70% utter abuse.

The freedom of RP/customization ESO offers is unmatched, from character creator, to questing, to builds. Everything looks so incredibly detailed and realistic. The fully voice acted questing... ❤❤❤

Literally the only thing I miss from WoW is class diversity, which ESO is very lackluster at. Especially when you need to slap an Inferno Staff on every class (exaggerating) and suddenly everyone's a fire mage.

was it high elves?

Athannos

ezio45 wrote: »

Athannos wrote: »

I quit WoW back in April, after the game director Ion Hazzikostas went on a live stream to basically trash and mock a portion of the playerbase that were campaigning for months for a specific race to be added.

That was the last straw for me - don't mock your paying customers.

I've tried both GW2 and ESO since and I eventually settled on ESO.

The experience is truly mindblowingly different and refreshing.

Both the devs and the community (in-game, forums) seem far more friendly, supportive and civil, instead of being at war with each other. You think our forums are bad? Check out WoW's general discussion - 10% threatening to quit, 20% miscellaneous QQ, 70% utter abuse.

The freedom of RP/customization ESO offers is unmatched, from character creator, to questing, to builds. Everything looks so incredibly detailed and realistic. The fully voice acted questing... ❤❤❤

Literally the only thing I miss from WoW is class diversity, which ESO is very lackluster at. Especially when you need to slap an Inferno Staff on every class (exaggerating) and suddenly everyone's a fire mage.

was it high elves?

It was! I didn't even care about them myself, but the utter lack of professionalism was appalling.

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

WOW is basically just a nostalgia farm at this point.

Just ask yourself this:
If WOW, in its current exact form, were to be released as a brand new game today, would it still be as successful as it is today?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Clicks user name

Joined: July 11

makes sense.

Xerge

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

WOW is basically just a nostalgia farm at this point.

Just ask yourself this:
If WOW, in its current exact form, were to be released as a brand new game today, would it still be as successful as it is today?

Honestly my legion fury warrior felt more fast paced than any combat ESO has offered me. Soo.. Exact form? No. Remastered? Oh hell yes. Sign me up. UE4 graphics, everything voice acted, remastered combat engine, remastered audio. yes yes yes YES.

ESO is like [snip] to me. Gotta ride this trainwreck.

[Edit for bait.]

jainiadral

I'm actually shocked I made it to level 10 the last time I tried to deal with WoW. TBH, watching paint dry is five times better than WoW's gameplay

Juhasow

I really wish ESO the kind of downhill where it still have more players then most of the other games at their peak.

srfrogg23

SRASinister wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Just looked at a portion of those reviews also... ESO Community, get ready to help "Battle for Azeroth" expansion survivors when they find ESO. Looks like many are having their virtual home burnt down.

Heh, go read the WoW forums. There's usually at least 3 topics about quitting and a whole lot of people talking about how good ESO is. Were getting a lot of new people soon

Do you have a link to a discussion?

Meh. They're usually on the front page. Takes about 30 seconds to find the juicier ones.

Yeah but forum rules here will not let people post quitting threads. They are usually just deleted right away. ESO does have a lot of people that quit. A lot of increased population on pc is from consoles making the switch over too. WoW has been out ten more years than ESO so of course things are going to feel dated.

I don't think those threads are deleted so much as they're just closed. I think that people stop playing ESO here and there. I stop playing pretty regularly to do other things myself.

It's pretty mellow in ESO by comparison imo. WoW's sub fee is required just to play, so when people quit WoW, they actually have to actively choose to quit. You see a lot more rationalizations being posted on the forums there because they are in a position where they have to do something, unsubscribe.

For ESO, you can just put it down and pick it back up whenever you feel like. No real need to rationalize it, so we're not as likely to see lengthy "quitting" posts here.

Probably also the same reason we dont see a lot of "I'm back" threads here.

Vahrokh

ezio45 wrote: »

we not comparing eso to wow, were comparing eso to eso in previous yrs. Without a doubt eso is less fun now than even 2 yrs ago.

Have improvements been made, yes. But things like transmutation and changing armor style, while nice are not going to improve the overall fun of the game.

What does make the game fun? combat, trials, dungeons, pvp, quests. ALL of which have gotten progressively worse over the last year. ALL of these with the exception of possible quests pale in comparison to their prior states and that is why we are complaining

Were not happy with the over all direction of the game since at least morrowind, most players 1 tam

10 times this.

And all of this progressive destruction of fun and purpose has a name: Wrobel. There is a before and an after his arrival. I kept playing ESO in the name of the days "before", in hope they'd fire him and set the game back on track. But I see this is not happening and all I can do is to vote with my wallet.

Vahrokh

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

WOW is basically just a nostalgia farm at this point.

Just ask yourself this:
If WOW, in its current exact form, were to be released as a brand new game today, would it still be as successful as it is today?

ESO too. I play with 2014 nostalgia all the time.

Ilithyania

i cant tell the differece between League of Legends and WoW

look the same to me