some people may complain about this game but it's 5 times better than wow

geekboy09 · October 2018

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

TheGreatBlackBear · October 2018

I don't care about WOW. I spend my time and money on ESO. WoW's troubles are their own as are ESO's

bottleofsyrup · October 2018

edit: wrong thread

bootie101 · October 2018

I just unsubbed from wow last month. I enjoy eso more cause of the storys and craft system.

johnbonne · October 2018

While BfA isn't very good (to put it diplomatically), it's probably paid for itself with a recent promotion offering 6 months game time + a mount that'll later go on their premium store (not to mention the #1 highest day one sales in WoW history.... sort of). Meanwhile there's a new president at Blizzard Entertainment, and Ion Hazzikostas (yes he has kost us) is still trying to break into his new shoes as lead designer. The irony of the navy-themed expansion being on proverbial choppy waters does not escape me.

I take Metacritic user reviews (indeed, any aggregate and averaging system) with a pinch of salt. Metacritic is not a machine where it is worth more than the sum of its parts, in my honest opinion. And I'm not saying that because I'm not on there even though I should be because I'm fantastic WHY WON'T YOU DISPLAY MY SCORE FOR DIDDY KONG RACING EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE ONE LOVE ME METACRITIIIIIIIC!!!!!

Ahem, ESO. ESO's different. That's the reason why I play it and even the Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind has done much to take me away from Online. I don't prefer its combat, classes, lore or races over WoW per se.... but at least ESO allows me to log on and allow me to play in the way I want to and when I want to. ^^

geekboy09 · October 2018

bootie101 wrote: »

I just unsubbed from wow last month. I enjoy eso more cause of the storys and craft system.

eso has a better story

UrQuan · October 2018

ESO and WoW are so fundamentally different that IMO almost any comparisons between the games are meaningless.

TheGreatBlackBear · October 2018

When all is said and done, the aim of a game should be to be good right? Not good relative to the other game. So I don't really like comparing. Nor do I give passes for one game because they're doing better than the hot mess that is the other.

Jayman1000 · October 2018

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Well, the open world pvp in wow is still epic, something that ESO does not have and will never have. of course that is a matter of taste then and it's difficult to say who is the best with different preferences. But that feature alone is something that makes me come back to wow.

Joosef_Kivikilpi · October 2018

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Just looked at a portion of those reviews also... ESO Community, get ready to help "Battle for Azeroth" expansion survivors when they find ESO. Looks like many are having their virtual home burnt down.

OrdoHermetica · October 2018

geekboy09 wrote: »

bootie101 wrote: »

I just unsubbed from wow last month. I enjoy eso more cause of the storys and craft system.

eso has a better story

Arguable, though I do think it has the better world. That said, those Warbringer trailers were amazing. Well, except for the Sylvanas one - that one was just silly.

Sergykid · October 2018

i still play wow for PVP. PVP in wow is very good compared to ESO. Everything has a counter, you have spells to choose from. And there isn't this bloat of builds, i understand the freedom but this isn't freedom, it's a struggle to get the best out of the best build.

for PVE i play ESO, dungeons are a nice daily run on a few character.

LegacyDM · October 2018

Yeah but wow actually has servers that work...in my time playing and completing legion and bfoa I’ve never had lag or ping issues in pvp or pve...while the game itself maybe going down hill, it’s refreshing to log into a game where I don’t have to worry about lag and performance issues. It’s smooth as butter.

magictucktuck · October 2018

LegacyDM wrote: »

Yeah but wow actually has servers that work...in my time playing and completing legion and bfoa I’ve never had lag or ping issues in pvp or pve...while the game itself maybe going down hill, it’s refreshing to log into a game where I don’t have to worry about lag and performance issues. It’s smooth as butter.

idk they complain about lag in their forums also i just took a break to play it for 6 months, but i didn't really have any there. and to be fair i get no lag in PVE or even BG's or i don't want to say none ever but little enough to where i don't think about it and cant remember the last time, probably last dlc launch. only time is prime time in cyro, any other time i get no lag there either. and i know i always get hate when i say this but besides having giant zergs on your screen i think most people blame ZOS for their computers and internet.

srfrogg23 · October 2018

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Just looked at a portion of those reviews also... ESO Community, get ready to help "Battle for Azeroth" expansion survivors when they find ESO. Looks like many are having their virtual home burnt down.

Heh, go read the WoW forums. There's usually at least 3 topics about quitting and a whole lot of people talking about how good ESO is. Were getting a lot of new people soon

Nemeliom · October 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Well, the open world pvp in wow is still epic, something that ESO does not have and will never have. of course that is a matter of taste then and it's difficult to say who is the best with different preferences. But that feature alone is something that makes me come back to wow.

It WAS epic. But I don't feel like today's wow has the same world pvp feeling as it used to have.
I would love to have open world pvp on ESO, but that's hopeful wishing.

fatmanatcomp · October 2018

I played wow vanilla and 7 years beyond, some of the best gaming and fun I ever had. I loved all the hard stuff, loved taking two years to get the insane achievement. Loved end game raiding.

Alas nothing last for ever and the game was made easier and easier, and it went in a direction I ended up getting bored with.

Nerfs and balancing went out of control, achievements that were achievements were made easy.

What I enjoyed about eso when I first started playing was the vanilla feel of questing and game playing it had to it. Some of the same mistakes are being made in eso now.

Champion points need getting rid of so open world is not so easy, which will also help with the constant nerf bat of skills.

Wow , when I was playing never had the amount of bugs, server troubles eso has all the time.

Wow use to be great, eso is good but will never hit great cos of the online troubles .

Rohamad_Ali · October 2018

WoW is dated so that is not really saying a lot . How about ESO is better then everything out there otherwise we would be talking somewhere else ?

Hateanthem · October 2018

Nemeliom wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Well, the open world pvp in wow is still epic, something that ESO does not have and will never have. of course that is a matter of taste then and it's difficult to say who is the best with different preferences. But that feature alone is something that makes me come back to wow.

It WAS epic. But I don't feel like today's wow has the same world pvp feeling as it used to have.
I would love to have open world pvp on ESO, but that's hopeful wishing.

Best PvP I have ever experienced was on an RP-PvP server in WoW several years ago. Those guys/gals take that stuff serious (fun-serious though).

geekboy09 · October 2018

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Just looked at a portion of those reviews also... ESO Community, get ready to help "Battle for Azeroth" expansion survivors when they find ESO. Looks like many are having their virtual home burnt down.

Heh, go read the WoW forums. There's usually at least 3 topics about quitting and a whole lot of people talking about how good ESO is. Were getting a lot of new people soon

Do you have a link to a discussion?

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

I don't understand how some people can still play WoW. It hasn't aged well at all. It would be completely unplayable for me at this point.

- Outdated graphics
- Outdated combat system
- Outdated quest structure

I can overlook outdated graphics if the gameplay is rewarding. But the gameplay in WoW is awful.

Red_Feather · October 2018

I have not played WoW in years, but I had begun to give up on the mmorpg genre earlier this year. GW2 was boring me so much, and I was trying other mmorpgs and getting tired of just killing monsters over and over so an NPC would give me a bag of gold and some xp. Thank goodness games like this exist.

ImmortalCX · October 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I don't understand how some people can still play WoW. It hasn't aged well at all. It would be completely unplayable for me at this point.

- Outdated graphics
- Outdated combat system
- Outdated quest structure

I can overlook outdated graphics if the gameplay is rewarding. But the gameplay in WoW is awful.

They have millions upon millions of players who have been with it since early on and will always check out new expansions, just out of a sense of nostalgia.

Ragnarock41 · October 2018

geekboy09 wrote: »

bootie101 wrote: »

I just unsubbed from wow last month. I enjoy eso more cause of the storys and craft system.

eso has a better story

lol. Just lol.

BigM · October 2018

Blizzard added DX12 and it does make the game look better.

But I agree with OP, ESO is much better and I can't wait till they add DX12 to it. But saying that running SweetFX makes the game look amazing. Even with all graphics setting turned down or off to get between 60 and 100 FPS. DX12 will just make it even better.

The storyline can't be touched by any other game.

magictucktuck · October 2018

geekboy09 wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

Just looking at the customer reviews for the new expansion for wow makes me think that game will soon go downhill. I have my complaints but it pales in comparison to the state of the game wow is becoming.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/user-reviews?dist=negative

Just looked at a portion of those reviews also... ESO Community, get ready to help "Battle for Azeroth" expansion survivors when they find ESO. Looks like many are having their virtual home burnt down.

Heh, go read the WoW forums. There's usually at least 3 topics about quitting and a whole lot of people talking about how good ESO is. Were getting a lot of new people soon

Do you have a link to a discussion?

these are just from searching "quit" which most people dont use quit in the title, more like ive had enough or complaining about something specific that put them over the edge. sooo... if it was this easy to find 3.. and i can verify the 6 months i played when i took a break from here i saw them all the time. with timegated progression/gear and RNG gear and bugs from BFA and PVP templates and the new "non-templates" that are still templates lol they got issues

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769037086#post-1

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769586933#post-1

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20767648481#post-1

LegacyDM · October 2018

magictucktuck wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Yeah but wow actually has servers that work...in my time playing and completing legion and bfoa I’ve never had lag or ping issues in pvp or pve...while the game itself maybe going down hill, it’s refreshing to log into a game where I don’t have to worry about lag and performance issues. It’s smooth as butter.

idk they complain about lag in their forums also i just took a break to play it for 6 months, but i didn't really have any there. and to be fair i get no lag in PVE or even BG's or i don't want to say none ever but little enough to where i don't think about it and cant remember the last time, probably last dlc launch. only time is prime time in cyro, any other time i get no lag there either. and i know i always get hate when i say this but besides having giant zergs on your screen i think most people blame ZOS for their computers and internet.

Shrug, all I can say is from my own experience never had lag on wow in pvp or pve. No lag in overwatch, Star craft 2, or diablo 3. People can hate on blizzard all they want but at least they have functioning games.

ImmortalCX · October 2018

I used to play WOW. Here are my opinions...

Graphics (ESO)- Obviously ESO is better, I'm surprised how dated WOW looks although that doesn't mean its a bad game.

World (WOW)- WOW world is larger and more open feeling, so much that they gave flying mounts. I wish the ESO world was this huge, but realize that flying mounts would not work in ESO.

Zones (ESO)- ESO zones are more detailed, more carefully packaged. Each has its own unique feel.

Quests (ESO) - Voice acted quests with good story writing. Very few kill/collect quests, which are a staple in WOW.

Factions (WOW) - Can't deny that some of my most exciting experiences were with world PVP in WOW.

Combat Mechanics (ESO) - Real time combat actually takes some skill and there is some more depth of mechanics.

Combat Diversity (WOW) - There is so much cool character skill stuff in WOW, like Priest Mind Control and being able to walk people off ledges in PVP.

Character Diversity (Even) - Wow has more classes, but ESO has more flexibility in builds.

PVP Battlegrounds (ESO) - I actually like the 4v4v4 format better. It suits real-time action better than cooldown based combat. Just has a more FPS feel which suits this gameplay.

PVP Campaign (WOW) - I like their war campaigns, they always felt more active and exciting.

Gear / Itemization (ESO) - All of the old sets are still "in play". In WOW they wipe out all the old gear and replace it with new each expansion. Feels like a treadmill.

Progression (even) - Progression in WOW is linear and endgame raiding is more necessary. ESO is not as linear. Can craft gear, collect it from zones, dungeons, etc. No one tells you what to do in ESO although there isn't the same feeling of accomplishment. WOW Rep grind was painful, although it comes with a sense of accomplishment. Repeatable dailies in ESO are chosen based on how valuable the drops are.

Dark Souls style Arcade Style play (ESO) - Afaik, WOW doesnt have anything like VMA.

Economy (even)- While I like the traders in ESO, the auction house also works well. Different economy styles. One thing I miss from WOW is that because the world was not "scaled", low level toons, if you were skillful, could go into higher level zones to farm unique materials and sell for big profits. In ESO, the world is constant from a farming/economics standpoint.

Crafting (ESO, maybe) - I have a feeling WOW crafting may have improved since I left. Doing dailies and writs is kinda grindy and repetitive in ESO. Once you get fully researched, logging in and doing dailies is brain dead. Crafting in eso needs an overhaul.

Housing (ESO) - Obviously.

magictucktuck · October 2018

LegacyDM wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Yeah but wow actually has servers that work...in my time playing and completing legion and bfoa I’ve never had lag or ping issues in pvp or pve...while the game itself maybe going down hill, it’s refreshing to log into a game where I don’t have to worry about lag and performance issues. It’s smooth as butter.

idk they complain about lag in their forums also i just took a break to play it for 6 months, but i didn't really have any there. and to be fair i get no lag in PVE or even BG's or i don't want to say none ever but little enough to where i don't think about it and cant remember the last time, probably last dlc launch. only time is prime time in cyro, any other time i get no lag there either. and i know i always get hate when i say this but besides having giant zergs on your screen i think most people blame ZOS for their computers and internet.

Shrug, all I can say is from my own experience never had lag on wow in pvp or pve. No lag in overwatch, Star craft 2, or diablo 3. People can hate on blizzard all they want but at least they have functioning games.

well not to say they its bad over there i didn't have lag there either besides a few times like BFA launch, i just was trying to say its not bad here for me either but people complain about it on the forums. i just think on forums it gets overblown because a lot of the hardcore "pvp raiders" are on here which is where the lag is and plus the fact people come here to complain when they are not regulars, they don't come here to say everything is good im playing right now. unless your like us and hang out on here at work lol but i just feel its a stretch to say the game is not functioning when lots of people are not having issues

Aliyavana · October 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

geekboy09 wrote: »

bootie101 wrote: »

I just unsubbed from wow last month. I enjoy eso more cause of the storys and craft system.

eso has a better story

lol. Just lol.

Wow has characters who are special snowflake demigods and a forced faction war and the story has highly downgraded after wrath. Elder scrolls has a better universe and better written characters

alanmatillab16_ESO · October 2018

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

I don't care about WOW. I spend my time and money on ESO. WoW's troubles are their own as are ESO's

Not so much. Korean Grinder MMO levels of grind have got into WoW with their World Quests in the latest expansion, all classes are being nerfed with abilities being removed. Sound familiar?