Should I race change my mag nb?

blkjag

Thinking of race changing my mag nb for higher dps just not sure if it’s worth it especially with the next patch coming and the changes to sustain.

kypranb14_ESO

I have played Magblade on quite a few different races.

Breton, Argonian, Altmer, and Bosmer all make great Magblades from my experience. (Bosmer in PVP only, and Argonian for Healing/Tanking)

I've never tried Dark Elf, give it a shot!

Mayrael

Don’t race change high elf is fine

There is no race that would increase magicka based skills. Both high elf and dunmer increase elemental damage thus magblade skills (assassin's will, strife, cripple, twisting path, veil of blades, lotus fan, concealed wepaon) doesn't benefit from their passives, you will increase just elemental damage from proc sets and destro staff skills and LA. When it goes to PvE this can be pretty meaningful because of weaving, but in PvP is quite irrelevant.

TheShadowScout

Wrong question...

You should ask yourself, do you -want- to racechange your magblade?
Changing your race just to chase the FotM is always a bad idea.

Just think about what would be -fun- for you playing, and then go with that, and don't worry about how super-effective it is...

RaddlemanNumber7

Race change to Argonian

Sparr0w

Don’t race change high elf is fine

The difference is actually minimal.

High elf get 1% extra magicka (affects everything), Dark Elf get 3% extra flame damage (affects Blockade & Light attacks). However next patch with sustain getting nerfed I'd say the extra regen from high elf will be a lot more valuable.

zaria

Sparr0w wrote: »

The difference is actually minimal.

High elf get 1% extra magicka (affects everything), Dark Elf get 3% extra flame damage (affects Blockade & Light attacks). However next patch with sustain getting nerfed I'd say the extra regen from high elf will be a lot more valuable.

Sustain nerfs in next patch? Knew about the shield and speed nerfs but more sustain nerfs?

MJallday

Race change to dark elf

i thought the next patch was all about improving sustain not killing it?

code65536

Don’t race change high elf is fine

zaria wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

The difference is actually minimal.

High elf get 1% extra magicka (affects everything), Dark Elf get 3% extra flame damage (affects Blockade & Light attacks). However next patch with sustain getting nerfed I'd say the extra regen from high elf will be a lot more valuable.

Sustain nerfs in next patch? Knew about the shield and speed nerfs but more sustain nerfs?

MJallday wrote: »

i thought the next patch was all about improving sustain not killing it?

Magblade sustain is getting nerfed (again) next patch.

The DPS difference between Altmer and Dunmer is minimal--so small that it would get drowned out in the normal random variance of a parse. If you were some other race, sure, go race change. But not as an Altmer, no!

Maryal

zaria wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

The difference is actually minimal.

High elf get 1% extra magicka (affects everything), Dark Elf get 3% extra flame damage (affects Blockade & Light attacks). However next patch with sustain getting nerfed I'd say the extra regen from high elf will be a lot more valuable.

Sustain nerfs in next patch? Knew about the shield and speed nerfs but more sustain nerfs?

NBs got hit hard with sustain nerfs by the cost increase in many of our 'spammable' abilities. If that weren't enough, our most powerful ability essentially doubled in cost** (and it wasn't cheap to begin with). People hear NB and think ganker, but not all NBs play a gank build and gank builds don't have a difficult time with sustain (they are about burst damage, not sustained combat).

sustain is not an issue with gank builds (of any class), they are about burst damage ... not about engaging in sustained combat; likewise, target dummy parses do not represent a NBs sustainability because these parses are the polar opposite of actual combat ... unfortunately these have been the 'go-to' means most people use when judging NBs 'sustainability'

** Grim focus/morphs - We have always paid to use this ability. We use the ability for the proc chance. With the upcoming patch, we still pay for the ability, but in addition, we will have to pay 1/2 the ability's cost for each proc. Assuming 2 procs per ability cast = double the cost.

Sparr0w

Don’t race change high elf is fine

Maryal wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

The difference is actually minimal.

High elf get 1% extra magicka (affects everything), Dark Elf get 3% extra flame damage (affects Blockade & Light attacks). However next patch with sustain getting nerfed I'd say the extra regen from high elf will be a lot more valuable.

Sustain nerfs in next patch? Knew about the shield and speed nerfs but more sustain nerfs?

NBs got hit hard with sustain nerfs by the cost increase in many of our 'spammable' abilities. Not every NB specs for ganking (sustain is not an issue with gank builds (of any class), they are about burst damage ... not about sustained combat; target dummy parses are also not representative because dummy parses do not represent actual combat ... unfortunately these are the 'go-to' means most people use when judging NBs 'sustainability.')

The average drain /s has increased by around 300, meaning even running witchmothers over blue food doesn't make up the difference...

Gatviper

Don’t race change high elf is fine

What's wrong with people designing the game, leave the damn sustain be. It's already nasty enough since Morrowind, without specific adaptations, what are they trying to do, make the game unplayable?

John_1999

you will still play the game after Nerfmire?

Gatviper

Don’t race change high elf is fine

I'll see it goes, can't say I like the changes coming.

zaria

Maryal wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

The difference is actually minimal.

High elf get 1% extra magicka (affects everything), Dark Elf get 3% extra flame damage (affects Blockade & Light attacks). However next patch with sustain getting nerfed I'd say the extra regen from high elf will be a lot more valuable.

Sustain nerfs in next patch? Knew about the shield and speed nerfs but more sustain nerfs?

NBs got hit hard with sustain nerfs by the cost increase in many of our 'spammable' abilities. If that weren't enough, our most powerful ability essentially doubled in cost** (and it wasn't cheap to begin with). People hear NB and think ganker, but not all NBs play a gank build and gank builds don't have a difficult time with sustain (they are about burst damage, not sustained combat).

sustain is not an issue with gank builds (of any class), they are about burst damage ... not about engaging in sustained combat; likewise, target dummy parses do not represent a NBs sustainability because these parses are the polar opposite of actual combat ... unfortunately these have been the 'go-to' means most people use when judging NBs 'sustainability'

** Grim focus/morphs - We have always paid to use this ability. We use the ability for the proc chance. With the upcoming patch, we still pay for the ability, but in addition, we will have to pay 1/2 the ability's cost for each proc. Assuming 2 procs per ability cast = double the cost.

Understand a and thank you, I only has an active stamblade for pve and don't follow the PTS so closely.
But how will grim focus cost on proc hit bombers / gankers?

Marabornwingrion

Race change to dark elf

Dark Elf Master Race

SydneyGrey

If you were anything but a high elf, I'd say race change to Dunmer. I have a Dunmer mag nightblade, and he's incredible. But a high elf is going to have great stats, too, so you don't need to race change.

If he was a Breton, I'd say race change him immediately.

Maryal

zaria wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

The difference is actually minimal.

High elf get 1% extra magicka (affects everything), Dark Elf get 3% extra flame damage (affects Blockade & Light attacks). However next patch with sustain getting nerfed I'd say the extra regen from high elf will be a lot more valuable.

Sustain nerfs in next patch? Knew about the shield and speed nerfs but more sustain nerfs?

NBs got hit hard with sustain nerfs by the cost increase in many of our 'spammable' abilities. If that weren't enough, our most powerful ability essentially doubled in cost** (and it wasn't cheap to begin with). People hear NB and think ganker, but not all NBs play a gank build and gank builds don't have a difficult time with sustain (they are about burst damage, not sustained combat).

sustain is not an issue with gank builds (of any class), they are about burst damage ... not about engaging in sustained combat; likewise, target dummy parses do not represent a NBs sustainability because these parses are the polar opposite of actual combat ... unfortunately these have been the 'go-to' means most people use when judging NBs 'sustainability'

** Grim focus/morphs - We have always paid to use this ability. We use the ability for the proc chance. With the upcoming patch, we still pay for the ability, but in addition, we will have to pay 1/2 the ability's cost for each proc. Assuming 2 procs per ability cast = double the cost.

Understand a and thank you, I only has an active stamblade for pve and don't follow the PTS so closely.
But how will grim focus cost on proc hit bombers / gankers?

Gank builds (like bomber builds) don't really have an issue with sustain - they build to burst and leave if their target doesn't die. Sure it will cost more to use the proc, but since you use it as part of a burst combo (as opposed to using it multiple times in sustained combat) I don't see it having much of an adverse effect on gank or bomber builds.

Bladerunner1

Don’t race change high elf is fine

I went from a Breton to a Dark elf magblade and all I got was barely 1kdps out of it. If there is one constant in this game, when you see everyone doing the same thing expect overblown nerfs. Save a token.

boombazookajd

Don’t race change high elf is fine

save your real world money. it isn't worth it.

High elf magblades are just fine.

mb10

Not sure if youve seen patch notes but mag NB has taken a huge huge blow this patch.

Especially with survival. Nerfs to harness magicka and healing ward make it much more difficult to survive in PVP

blkjag

Thanks for all the replies everyone.

Nyladreas

mb10 wrote: »

Not sure if youve seen patch notes but mag NB has taken a huge huge blow this patch.

Especially with survival. Nerfs to harness magicka and healing ward make it much more difficult to survive in PVP

My man you got a talent for jokes.

That's a joke right?

NyassaV

If you are PvEing is really doesn't matter just do what you want. In PvP re-roll to stamblade

Knootewoot

I play on Breton. I like Breton.

idk

Don’t race change high elf is fine

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

I have played Magblade on quite a few different races.

Breton, Argonian, Altmer, and Bosmer all make great Magblades from my experience. (Bosmer in PVP only, and Argonian for Healing/Tanking)

I've never tried Dark Elf, give it a shot!

Not exactly a good reason for changing.

High elf is really just fine. Dark elf would be a very slight increase in damage at the cost of a little sustain. Most players would not even notice the difference in damage.

So save your money.

mb10

Nyladreas wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Not sure if youve seen patch notes but mag NB has taken a huge huge blow this patch.

Especially with survival. Nerfs to harness magicka and healing ward make it much more difficult to survive in PVP

My man you got a talent for jokes.

That's a joke right?

@Nyladreas

Erm...go check the patch notes lol.

Healing ward has no initial heal anymore and shields have been nerfed.

Mark target nerfed, grim focus nerfed theres a cost now to the proc and the projectile is slower, refreshing path completely changed to heal only

More stuff too lol mag NBs have been hit hard