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UPDATED: What Radial Sweep Really Needs (Empowering Sweep / Crescent Sweep)

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Update: New video, two more examples recorded within a single play session. :| Only ~30 minutes apart. The first one doesn't hit a single target in traffic, even the one whose character model is clipping my own. The 950ish hit you see blocked isn't enough to be the sweep and there is no visual impact. The second one doesn't hit the target I am trying to hit. New video is higher quality and features audio! Pay attention to the lack of a thump sound when the sweep should land. You just hear a swoosh.



Increase the range. 10 meters would be great.

This skill is completely unreliable because the range is pathetic. This is an ultimate, albeit a cheap one. It shouldn't be so difficult to land hits with it. It's especially bad now that so many people have swift jewelry. It's so bad in its current state, things can move out of range in the time it takes to ping the server. I constantly register a miss when the cast started with the target in range.

Fun fact: Grothdarr procs have a larger radius. 8 meters vs 6.

Here's a quick video I captured, showing the ultimate missing an NPC. The ability hits for five digits on the setup I'm using in the video. The hits you see are from other sources. No audio, as it was muted and this was grabbed with an instant replay function. I didn't set out to record it.

Edited by jrgray93 on October 2, 2018 12:23AM
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  • redspecter23
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    I'd like it if it actually hit the things. I'm talking PvE mobs directly in front of me. I've completely whiffed so many times I've lost count.
    Edited by redspecter23 on September 28, 2018 10:18PM
  • jrgray93
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    I'd like it if it actually hit the things. I'm talking PvE mobs directly in front of me. I've completely whiffed so many times I've lost count.

    Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
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  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    jrgray93 wrote: »
    Increase the range. 10 meters would be great.

    This skill is completely unreliable because the range is pathetic. This is an ultimate, albeit a cheap one. It shouldn't be so difficult to land hits with it. It's especially bad now that so many people have swift jewelry. It's so bad in its current state, things can move out of range in the time it takes to ping the server. I constantly register a miss when the cast started with the target in range.

    Fun fact: Grothdarr procs have a larger radius. 8 meters vs 6.

    Here's a quick video I captured, showing the ultimate missing an NPC. The ability hits for five digits on the setup I'm using in the video. The hits you see are from other sources. No audio, as it was muted and this was grabbed with an instant replay function. I didn't set out to record it.


    +1 for an ult it shoulde be easier to hit than some random pb aoe
  • Solariken
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    WTB 9 meters, same as Steel Tornado. Also give it some Z-axis love so that I can hit the guy standing on a molehill right in front of me.
  • Soris
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    Not 100% sure but I believe it is a cone aoe. So it should have the same range as dawnbreaker.
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  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    We've been asking for a rework on this for a while. I know new people that I have introduced to the game that are super frustrated with being a templar because of this skill. This is one of the biggest pain points for templar.

    I would suggest a complete animation rework. Right now its a spear swinging around your head.

    Wouldn't it be awesome if the animation was a templar stabbing his spear into the ground and a shockwave of air and dust extending radially from it? That would make more sense now since empowering sweep is physical damage.

  • jrgray93
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    Soris wrote: »
    Not 100% sure but I believe it is a cone aoe. So it should have the same range as dawnbreaker.

    It's radial. Crescent gains a damage bonus in a cone, but the base attack is still a circle.
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  • Lieblingsjunge
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    We've been asking for a rework on this for a while. I know new people that I have introduced to the game that are super frustrated with being a templar because of this skill. This is one of the biggest pain points for templar.

    I would suggest a complete animation rework. Right now its a spear swinging around your head.

    Wouldn't it be awesome if the animation was a templar stabbing his spear into the ground and a shockwave of air and dust extending radially from it? That would make more sense now since empowering sweep is physical damage.

    Yeh.The animation needs some work. But then again, half the templar skills in general have a clunky animation and weird hitbox.
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  • Stibbons
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    I agree half of templar skills are clunky and some have weird hitbox. Half of the passives are just outdated and just have poor synergy with skills.
  • jrgray93
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    At least our passive are getting some love next update. The permanent minor protection is huge.
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  • casparian
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    Yep. Until the range is increased/hitbox is fixed, no other change made to this skill will matter.

    Case in point: Crescent Sweep already hits hard as hell on live and it's still a niche ult that hardly sees any use. Why? It isn't because of the damage.
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  • casparian
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    jrgray93 wrote: »
    At least our passive are getting some love next update. The permanent minor protection is huge.

    Hmm? We have permanent minor protection on live (with Restoring Focus). We're losing that next patch. In Murkmire we'll only have minor protection while on the offensive -- we lose it when shifting to defense. Nerf or buff, it's not permanent.
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  • NyassaV
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    Can soul tether get a range buff too plz, I can't hit anything with it if my target is moving.

    I feel like Sweep needs an increased animation speed more than a range buff
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  • jrgray93
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    Updated OP with another video.
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