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Shield cap - Do you even play a MagSorc?
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Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭“...but cap the total shield amount to 40% of your character’s maximum health.”
Wanna know what I get from this?
“MagSorcs need to run heavy armor”
Talk about trying to create build diversity lmao.
Personally? I think this is worse than a cast time. You can crit shields now, most sorcs run 20-22k HP which is like what, 8k shield? ANY stam toon that isn’t bad can easily 1 shot that shield.
This will almost FORCE PvP sorcs to run heavy armor.
This is bs.
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Big shield with a cast time or much smaller shields with instant cast? Your choice... I got a friend that runs tri glyphs on large pieces and uses triune jewelry for a woping 25k to 26k health with one med piece and heavy for undaunted 5 piece light, also you have to realize that now shields can dip from resistances gained via cp in addition to bastion and max mag and that can make them very strong so everything evens up... so nobody is pushing anybody to play heavy just spec on to health...Edited by Arkangeloski on September 27, 2018 6:52PM2 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »They do. They all main nightblades, every one of them.
For the past 4 years everybody was saying devs favor sorcs now that they addressed sorcs they favor nightblades?... wtfEdited by Arkangeloski on September 27, 2018 7:04PM8 -
JimmyJuJu✭✭✭✭Hateanthem wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »So you mean you will have to run impen pieces and maybe some heavy armor LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The inhumanity of it all...
Except that light armor passives are basically for mag characters. Increase magicka, magicka sustain, etc. Sure we can run heavy armor and survive, but dps goes down 5-10k, but you will be alive. Lol. Nice trade off
And leather armor passives are for stam characters, but most stam characters end up running impen and heavy to survive other players. They don't get to stack 50k stam with divines or infused on their armor while having super shield. They get dodge roll which eats into their stat pool for damage output.
Cry me a river. You have to sacrifice boom boom for survivability in PvP scenarios.
Yes, true. You have to make choices somewhere. I run light armor mainly for the spell pen passive. The sustain is nice, but that spell pen is too tasty to pass up for bombing runs.0 -
JimmyJuJu✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »They do. They all main nightblades, every one of them.
For the past 4 years everybody was saying devs favor sorcs now that they addressed sorcs they favor nightblades?... wtf
The NB play-style is built around stealth and 1v1 combat (if pressed). But with magsorcs, the style demands ranged attacks which tends to push players into (hideously large) groups. I wonder if making sorcs less attractive and NB's more attractive is an off-handed attempt to de-zergify the game.
Or maybe the combat team is simply in love with NB's. Hard to say.
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anatole1234✭✭✭“...but cap the total shield amount to 40% of your character’s maximum health.”
Wanna know what I get from this?
“MagSorcs need to run heavy armor”
Talk about trying to create build diversity lmao.
Personally? I think this is worse than a cast time. You can crit shields now, most sorcs run 20-22k HP which is like what, 8k shield? ANY stam toon that isn’t bad can easily 1 shot that shield.
This will almost FORCE PvP sorcs to run heavy armor.
This is bs.
[edited title]
Build Diversity ? hhahahaha. Every sorc out there was running the same build to stack shields to keep with the meta. Now it'll offer more diversity imo.6 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭anatole1234 wrote: »“...but cap the total shield amount to 40% of your character’s maximum health.”
Wanna know what I get from this?
“MagSorcs need to run heavy armor”
Talk about trying to create build diversity lmao.
Personally? I think this is worse than a cast time. You can crit shields now, most sorcs run 20-22k HP which is like what, 8k shield? ANY stam toon that isn’t bad can easily 1 shot that shield.
This will almost FORCE PvP sorcs to run heavy armor.
This is bs.
[edited title]
Build Diversity ? hhahahaha. Every sorc out there was running the same build to stack shields to keep with the meta. Now it'll offer more diversity imo.
Well said! I was just about to say something similar lol!!0 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭
I’m not even talking about pvp and, lets face it, its a lot easier for stam to swap to heavy from medium armor, than for mag to go from light to heavy. And at least you have a large stam pool for damage and defense, block dodge roll, whatever. Maybe if mag characters could use magicka for block, dodge roll, etc it would be the same equivalency.Hateanthem wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »So you mean you will have to run impen pieces and maybe some heavy armor LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The inhumanity of it all...
Except that light armor passives are basically for mag characters. Increase magicka, magicka sustain, etc. Sure we can run heavy armor and survive, but dps goes down 5-10k, but you will be alive. Lol. Nice trade off
And leather armor passives are for stam characters, but most stam characters end up running impen and heavy to survive other players. They don't get to stack 50k stam with divines or infused on their armor while having super shield. They get dodge roll which eats into their stat pool for damage output.
Cry me a river. You have to sacrifice boom boom for survivability in PvP scenarios.
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Hateanthem✭✭✭✭
I’m not even talking about pvp and, lets face it, its a lot easier for stam to swap to heavy from medium armor, than for mag to go from light to heavy. And at least you have a large stam pool for damage and defense, block dodge roll, whatever. Maybe if mag characters could use magicka for block, dodge roll, etc it would be the same equivalency.Hateanthem wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »So you mean you will have to run impen pieces and maybe some heavy armor LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The inhumanity of it all...
Except that light armor passives are basically for mag characters. Increase magicka, magicka sustain, etc. Sure we can run heavy armor and survive, but dps goes down 5-10k, but you will be alive. Lol. Nice trade off
And leather armor passives are for stam characters, but most stam characters end up running impen and heavy to survive other players. They don't get to stack 50k stam with divines or infused on their armor while having super shield. They get dodge roll which eats into their stat pool for damage output.
Cry me a river. You have to sacrifice boom boom for survivability in PvP scenarios.
Wut.
There is really no difference from going to Heavy from light, or to heavy from medium. Your stamina pool is not magically larger in all heavy than it is in all light.
And why would mag characters want to use their damage resource for their primary defense? As it stands, mag toons only use stam for blocking and roll dodging. They don't need the huge stam pool.
Either way, Sorcs need to man up and realize that in PvP, they aren't special snowflakes that get to run around with 50k resource pools, not having to use their armor traits on impen because "MUH SHEELDS!".
I can't tell you how often I see mag sorcs run into the fray and act like melee characters because MUH SHEELDS BRUH. Time to start acting like the wizards you all are and be smarter with engagements.
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✭✭✭✭✭I think this is game is crap, you are forced to use skills and where armor sets, I feel really forced and its not nice at all....
You are never forced in this game, but obviously some builds will over perform others. That is the case even in MMORPGs where you really do not have much choice.0 -
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✭I don't main a Sorc, as a matter of fact it's probably my fourth most played class. I also tend to play stamina more often than I play magicka. So I might be way off.
I think 40% is too low. I think 60 to 75 % would be a better target for a shield cap.
Still, whatever shield changes make it to the live servers, some will adapt and some will just cry and/or quit the game.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »They do. They all main nightblades, every one of them.
For the past 4 years everybody was saying devs favor sorcs now that they addressed sorcs they favor nightblades?... wtf
Have you been under a rock? Since Morrowind, NBs have been the apex of power in this game, both magic and stam. For the first 2-2.5 years of this game, magic DK was perhaps the most dominant class we have ever seen. Sorcs definitely enjoyed their time in the sun, but their reign was laughable compared to the other two, and mostly PVE oriented. Sorcs are arguably in last place for PVE at the moment (Dead last for stam DPS, and 3-4th for magic). In PVP, they are frankly the easiest kill out there and struggle harder than anyone to kill a competent player. Sorcs excel in basically three areas:
First and foremost, they excel at kill stealing and nuking bad players. If you are constantly dying to a sorc, well...
Second, they are arguably the best class to solo group oriented content in PVE. That is largely do to the fact that two pets can turn you into a "group." And also, because shields are admittedly highly useful in PVE.
Third, they are on the easier end of the spectrum to play, especially in PVP. They have straight forward offensive and defensive rotations. Problem is a good player can see the burst coming and brush it off, and any two competent players can take down the best sorcs, because shields stacking scales horribly when outnumbered.Hateanthem wrote: »
I’m not even talking about pvp and, lets face it, its a lot easier for stam to swap to heavy from medium armor, than for mag to go from light to heavy. And at least you have a large stam pool for damage and defense, block dodge roll, whatever. Maybe if mag characters could use magicka for block, dodge roll, etc it would be the same equivalency.Hateanthem wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »So you mean you will have to run impen pieces and maybe some heavy armor LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The inhumanity of it all...
Except that light armor passives are basically for mag characters. Increase magicka, magicka sustain, etc. Sure we can run heavy armor and survive, but dps goes down 5-10k, but you will be alive. Lol. Nice trade off
And leather armor passives are for stam characters, but most stam characters end up running impen and heavy to survive other players. They don't get to stack 50k stam with divines or infused on their armor while having super shield. They get dodge roll which eats into their stat pool for damage output.
Cry me a river. You have to sacrifice boom boom for survivability in PvP scenarios.
Wut.
There is really no difference from going to Heavy from light, or to heavy from medium. Your stamina pool is not magically larger in all heavy than it is in all light.
And why would mag characters want to use their damage resource for their primary defense? As it stands, mag toons only use stam for blocking and roll dodging. They don't need the huge stam pool.
Either way, Sorcs need to man up and realize that in PvP, they aren't special snowflakes that get to run around with 50k resource pools, not having to use their armor traits on impen because "MUH SHEELDS!".
I can't tell you how often I see mag sorcs run into the fray and act like melee characters because MUH SHEELDS BRUH. Time to start acting like the wizards you all are and be smarter with engagements.
Actually, a magic toon has a much harder time running heavy than stamina does in PVP. In PVE, its not even worth a discussion as nobody does it anyway. Stamina has much more inherent damage in their skills, so the loss of their resource pool is less detrimental. A stamblade in heavy armor can still hit hard AF. A stamian player is also generally going to have an easier time with resources, and is more likely to use block for defense. Both again make heavy an easier pill to swallow. When a magic player goes to heavy, they struggle to get legitimate kills in PVP. Some classes like DK have an easier time of it but mag sorcs or NBs in heavy armor hit like a wet noodle.4 -
Hateanthem✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »They do. They all main nightblades, every one of them.
For the past 4 years everybody was saying devs favor sorcs now that they addressed sorcs they favor nightblades?... wtf
Have you been under a rock? Since Morrowind, NBs have been the apex of power in this game, both magic and stam. For the first 2-2.5 years of this game, magic DK was perhaps the most dominant class we have ever seen. Sorcs definitely enjoyed their time in the sun, but their reign was laughable compared to the other two, and mostly PVE oriented. Sorcs are arguably in last place for PVE at the moment (Dead last for stam DPS, and 3-4th for magic). In PVP, they are frankly the easiest kill out there and struggle harder than anyone to kill a competent player. Sorcs excel in basically three areas:
First and foremost, they excel at kill stealing and nuking bad players. If you are constantly dying to a sorc, well...
Second, they are arguably the best class to solo group oriented content in PVE. That is largely do to the fact that two pets can turn you into a "group." And also, because shields are admittedly highly useful in PVE.
Third, they are on the easier end of the spectrum to play, especially in PVP. They have straight forward offensive and defensive rotations. Problem is a good player can see the burst coming and brush it off, and any two competent players can take down the best sorcs, because shields stacking scales horribly when outnumbered.Hateanthem wrote: »
I’m not even talking about pvp and, lets face it, its a lot easier for stam to swap to heavy from medium armor, than for mag to go from light to heavy. And at least you have a large stam pool for damage and defense, block dodge roll, whatever. Maybe if mag characters could use magicka for block, dodge roll, etc it would be the same equivalency.Hateanthem wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »So you mean you will have to run impen pieces and maybe some heavy armor LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The inhumanity of it all...
Except that light armor passives are basically for mag characters. Increase magicka, magicka sustain, etc. Sure we can run heavy armor and survive, but dps goes down 5-10k, but you will be alive. Lol. Nice trade off
And leather armor passives are for stam characters, but most stam characters end up running impen and heavy to survive other players. They don't get to stack 50k stam with divines or infused on their armor while having super shield. They get dodge roll which eats into their stat pool for damage output.
Cry me a river. You have to sacrifice boom boom for survivability in PvP scenarios.
Wut.
There is really no difference from going to Heavy from light, or to heavy from medium. Your stamina pool is not magically larger in all heavy than it is in all light.
And why would mag characters want to use their damage resource for their primary defense? As it stands, mag toons only use stam for blocking and roll dodging. They don't need the huge stam pool.
Either way, Sorcs need to man up and realize that in PvP, they aren't special snowflakes that get to run around with 50k resource pools, not having to use their armor traits on impen because "MUH SHEELDS!".
I can't tell you how often I see mag sorcs run into the fray and act like melee characters because MUH SHEELDS BRUH. Time to start acting like the wizards you all are and be smarter with engagements.
Actually, a magic toon has a much harder time running heavy than stamina does in PVP. In PVE, its not even worth a discussion as nobody does it anyway. Stamina has much more inherent damage in their skills, so the loss of their resource pool is less detrimental. A stamblade in heavy armor can still hit hard AF. A stamian player is also generally going to have an easier time with resources, and is more likely to use block for defense. Both again make heavy an easier pill to swallow. When a magic player goes to heavy, they struggle to get legitimate kills in PVP. Some classes like DK have an easier time of it but mag sorcs or NBs in heavy armor hit like a wet noodle.
I never said you don't give up damage when going to heavy armor. I have ran heavy on my sorc, on my nb, and on my DK. Sure DK adapts to it better but there are still decent sized magicka pools available in heavy.
My point is, it's not going to kill some sorcs to adjust their playstyle and go to heavy in PvP. I personally don't care what they do in PvE. Everyone else has to give up those divine and infused traits for impen if they want to stay competitive and not get burst down in a second. Time for sorcs to join the impen train.
I have never heard a whinier group of players than with these shield changes.
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Ruckly✭✭✭✭I'm not seeing a huge deal with this. If you put 64 of your attribute points into health and run witchmother's potent brew and have structured entropy on both bars you are already at 27k hp(cyrodill) before armor on a high elf. You still don't have to run a defensive set like every other class. e.g. spinner's, spell power cure, domihaus, grothdarr's. Or you have run a defensive set on rings and weapon like plague doctor or vampire cloak or...well that's probably the only two.
The downside if there is one is your shields' being critable so you have to run impen instead of well-fitted so you get winded super fast.
Classically the mage has both a high health pool and magicka pool.0 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »“...but cap the total shield amount to 40% of your character’s maximum health.”
Wanna know what I get from this?
“MagSorcs need to run heavy armor”
Talk about trying to create build diversity lmao.
Personally? I think this is worse than a cast time. You can crit shields now, most sorcs run 20-22k HP which is like what, 8k shield? ANY stam toon that isn’t bad can easily 1 shot that shield.
This will almost FORCE PvP sorcs to run heavy armor.
This is bs.
[edited title]
Big shield with a cast time or much smaller shields with instant cast? Your choice... I got a friend that runs tri glyphs on large pieces and uses triune jewelry for a woping 25k to 26k health with one med piece and heavy for undaunted 5 piece light, also you have to realize that now shields can dip from resistances gained via cp in addition to bastion and max mag and that can make them very strong so everything evens up... so nobody is pushing anybody to play heavy just spec on to health...
I would MUCH rather have a cast time.
40% IN PvE.. battlespirt? LOL 20% of your HP in PvP? Idk if Battlespirit will affect it... but 20% is VERY.. VERY low..
Didnt even think of the having BS when posting this.0 -
ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭anatole1234 wrote: »“...but cap the total shield amount to 40% of your character’s maximum health.”
Wanna know what I get from this?
“MagSorcs need to run heavy armor”
Talk about trying to create build diversity lmao.
Personally? I think this is worse than a cast time. You can crit shields now, most sorcs run 20-22k HP which is like what, 8k shield? ANY stam toon that isn’t bad can easily 1 shot that shield.
This will almost FORCE PvP sorcs to run heavy armor.
This is bs.
[edited title]
Build Diversity ? hhahahaha. Every sorc out there was running the same build to stack shields to keep with the meta. Now it'll offer more diversity imo.
Sure, the trashbag sorcs dont have any build diversity what so ever.. and skills? Every class pretty much uses the "meta" skills...
Every good MagSorc will have a different build than the other.. for the most part.
Every good MagSorc will play differently for the most part.
Zerglings? They run the meta because they cant theory craft.0 -
RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭Scrubs you do know that with prismatic enchants on all pieces you can easily hit 25k health in Cyrodiil with Light armor right?
BTW selling 200 Hakeijos 8k each ^^4 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭
As a mag player, if I could use a 50k mag pool for damage and defense (block, dodge roll, etc), like Stam, then maybe that kinda defense would be viable. But how many times do you think we can hold block, and dodge roll with 9-10k stam? Thats why there are shields dude, or were.Hateanthem wrote: »
I’m not even talking about pvp and, lets face it, its a lot easier for stam to swap to heavy from medium armor, than for mag to go from light to heavy. And at least you have a large stam pool for damage and defense, block dodge roll, whatever. Maybe if mag characters could use magicka for block, dodge roll, etc it would be the same equivalency.Hateanthem wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »So you mean you will have to run impen pieces and maybe some heavy armor LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The inhumanity of it all...
Except that light armor passives are basically for mag characters. Increase magicka, magicka sustain, etc. Sure we can run heavy armor and survive, but dps goes down 5-10k, but you will be alive. Lol. Nice trade off
And leather armor passives are for stam characters, but most stam characters end up running impen and heavy to survive other players. They don't get to stack 50k stam with divines or infused on their armor while having super shield. They get dodge roll which eats into their stat pool for damage output.
Cry me a river. You have to sacrifice boom boom for survivability in PvP scenarios.
Wut.
There is really no difference from going to Heavy from light, or to heavy from medium. Your stamina pool is not magically larger in all heavy than it is in all light.
And why would mag characters want to use their damage resource for their primary defense? As it stands, mag toons only use stam for blocking and roll dodging. They don't need the huge stam pool.
Either way, Sorcs need to man up and realize that in PvP, they aren't special snowflakes that get to run around with 50k resource pools, not having to use their armor traits on impen because "MUH SHEELDS!".
I can't tell you how often I see mag sorcs run into the fray and act like melee characters because MUH SHEELDS BRUH. Time to start acting like the wizards you all are and be smarter with engagements.
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ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭
As a mag player, if I could use a 50k mag pool for damage and defense (block, dodge roll, etc), like Stam, then maybe that kinda defense would be viable. But how many times do you think we can hold block, and dodge roll with 9-10k stam? Thats why there are shields dude, or were.Hateanthem wrote: »
I’m not even talking about pvp and, lets face it, its a lot easier for stam to swap to heavy from medium armor, than for mag to go from light to heavy. And at least you have a large stam pool for damage and defense, block dodge roll, whatever. Maybe if mag characters could use magicka for block, dodge roll, etc it would be the same equivalency.Hateanthem wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »So you mean you will have to run impen pieces and maybe some heavy armor LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The inhumanity of it all...
Except that light armor passives are basically for mag characters. Increase magicka, magicka sustain, etc. Sure we can run heavy armor and survive, but dps goes down 5-10k, but you will be alive. Lol. Nice trade off
And leather armor passives are for stam characters, but most stam characters end up running impen and heavy to survive other players. They don't get to stack 50k stam with divines or infused on their armor while having super shield. They get dodge roll which eats into their stat pool for damage output.
Cry me a river. You have to sacrifice boom boom for survivability in PvP scenarios.
Wut.
There is really no difference from going to Heavy from light, or to heavy from medium. Your stamina pool is not magically larger in all heavy than it is in all light.
And why would mag characters want to use their damage resource for their primary defense? As it stands, mag toons only use stam for blocking and roll dodging. They don't need the huge stam pool.
Either way, Sorcs need to man up and realize that in PvP, they aren't special snowflakes that get to run around with 50k resource pools, not having to use their armor traits on impen because "MUH SHEELDS!".
I can't tell you how often I see mag sorcs run into the fray and act like melee characters because MUH SHEELDS BRUH. Time to start acting like the wizards you all are and be smarter with engagements.
Dont forget about having to break free. Dodge + Break Free + Block + Use Stam skills if you got any3 -
Hateanthem✭✭✭✭
As a mag player, if I could use a 50k mag pool for damage and defense (block, dodge roll, etc), like Stam, then maybe that kinda defense would be viable. But how many times do you think we can hold block, and dodge roll with 9-10k stam? Thats why there are shields dude, or were.Hateanthem wrote: »
I’m not even talking about pvp and, lets face it, its a lot easier for stam to swap to heavy from medium armor, than for mag to go from light to heavy. And at least you have a large stam pool for damage and defense, block dodge roll, whatever. Maybe if mag characters could use magicka for block, dodge roll, etc it would be the same equivalency.Hateanthem wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »So you mean you will have to run impen pieces and maybe some heavy armor LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The inhumanity of it all...
Except that light armor passives are basically for mag characters. Increase magicka, magicka sustain, etc. Sure we can run heavy armor and survive, but dps goes down 5-10k, but you will be alive. Lol. Nice trade off
And leather armor passives are for stam characters, but most stam characters end up running impen and heavy to survive other players. They don't get to stack 50k stam with divines or infused on their armor while having super shield. They get dodge roll which eats into their stat pool for damage output.
Cry me a river. You have to sacrifice boom boom for survivability in PvP scenarios.
Wut.
There is really no difference from going to Heavy from light, or to heavy from medium. Your stamina pool is not magically larger in all heavy than it is in all light.
And why would mag characters want to use their damage resource for their primary defense? As it stands, mag toons only use stam for blocking and roll dodging. They don't need the huge stam pool.
Either way, Sorcs need to man up and realize that in PvP, they aren't special snowflakes that get to run around with 50k resource pools, not having to use their armor traits on impen because "MUH SHEELDS!".
I can't tell you how often I see mag sorcs run into the fray and act like melee characters because MUH SHEELDS BRUH. Time to start acting like the wizards you all are and be smarter with engagements.
Then I suggest adjusting your playstyle to not being a single stat stacking hurpaderp.
Also, if you are a magicka toon then you weren't designed to do a lot of blocking. You were designed to be at range (except dk), staying out of the clusterf….. thing and exploding people from a distance. If you are in a situation where you need more than 10k stam for blocking and roll dodging, you are doing it wrong.
Learn to play like a wizard.
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p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dude...just craft a set of Fortified Brass in Light with Infused/Impen and max mag glyphs and run Boundless Storm. You'll end up with more resistances than the rest of us normally have, and still get your light armor buff plus plenty of mag. The only reason you were stacking mag before was to get those massive shields. If you don't depend on those so heavily, it opens you up to a more diverse skill bar and more evenly distributed stats. I know this change isn't ideal, and I know a lot of people have a rough time adjusting to change, but it's not the end of the world. It's just a time to plan ahead and adjust. Those who adjust the fastest will be well ahead of the curve and able to do some pretty cool stuff with their sorcs.PC/Xbox NA Mindmender|Swashbuckler Supreme|Planes Breaker|Dawnbringer|Godslayer|Immortal Redeemer|Gryphon Heart|Tick-tock Tormentor|Dro-m'Athra Destroyer|Stormproof|Grand Overlord|Grand Mastercrafter|Master Grappler|Tamriel Hero4 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the largest shield on my mag sorc was like 9k anyway, so that seems fine. So a few mag sorcs will have to build for real instead of just hiding behind shields and summoning their own zergs worth of pets. Seems like a reasonable change and should help with the issues some people have with mag sorcs. Making them critable though now seems like it might still be over kill.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »They do. They all main nightblades, every one of them.
For the past 4 years everybody was saying devs favor sorcs now that they addressed sorcs they favor nightblades?... wtf
"Everybody" was definitely NOT saying any such thing.... the devs have ALWAYS favored Nightblades!
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Used to main a MagSorc, but then I changed to Stam cause it just WRECKS in PvP and my stats are nicer.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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✭Hateanthem wrote: »
As a mag player, if I could use a 50k mag pool for damage and defense (block, dodge roll, etc), like Stam, then maybe that kinda defense would be viable. But how many times do you think we can hold block, and dodge roll with 9-10k stam? Thats why there are shields dude, or were.Hateanthem wrote: »
I’m not even talking about pvp and, lets face it, its a lot easier for stam to swap to heavy from medium armor, than for mag to go from light to heavy. And at least you have a large stam pool for damage and defense, block dodge roll, whatever. Maybe if mag characters could use magicka for block, dodge roll, etc it would be the same equivalency.Hateanthem wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »So you mean you will have to run impen pieces and maybe some heavy armor LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The inhumanity of it all...
Except that light armor passives are basically for mag characters. Increase magicka, magicka sustain, etc. Sure we can run heavy armor and survive, but dps goes down 5-10k, but you will be alive. Lol. Nice trade off
And leather armor passives are for stam characters, but most stam characters end up running impen and heavy to survive other players. They don't get to stack 50k stam with divines or infused on their armor while having super shield. They get dodge roll which eats into their stat pool for damage output.
Cry me a river. You have to sacrifice boom boom for survivability in PvP scenarios.
Wut.
There is really no difference from going to Heavy from light, or to heavy from medium. Your stamina pool is not magically larger in all heavy than it is in all light.
And why would mag characters want to use their damage resource for their primary defense? As it stands, mag toons only use stam for blocking and roll dodging. They don't need the huge stam pool.
Either way, Sorcs need to man up and realize that in PvP, they aren't special snowflakes that get to run around with 50k resource pools, not having to use their armor traits on impen because "MUH SHEELDS!".
I can't tell you how often I see mag sorcs run into the fray and act like melee characters because MUH SHEELDS BRUH. Time to start acting like the wizards you all are and be smarter with engagements.
Then I suggest adjusting your playstyle to not being a single stat stacking hurpaderp.
Also, if you are a magicka toon then you weren't designed to do a lot of blocking. You were designed to be at range (except dk), staying out of the clusterf….. thing and exploding people from a distance. If you are in a situation where you need more than 10k stam for blocking and roll dodging, you are doing it wrong.
Learn to play like a wizard.
I feel like you and others in this thread have no idea that gap closers even exist. "Just stay out of range of the faster and instant distance closing melee builds"
I also think you guys are incapable of thinking about two players stats at the same time. Did you know that sorcs can't deal active pressure while shieldstacking? Did you know that you can attack shields while they are being stacked? If you deal a 2k light attack and 3-5k skill with each shield cast, then the common CP PVP sorc only has a shield stack around 12k? That's not even including dots, enchants, procs, or poisons. This is also before crits on shields btw.
My point is the counter to shields is literally dealing damage. Shields are expensive.
If you opinion is that ranged classes should just automatically die if a melee toon gets in range, then just say so outright.
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✭anatole1234 wrote: »“...but cap the total shield amount to 40% of your character’s maximum health.”
Wanna know what I get from this?
“MagSorcs need to run heavy armor”
Talk about trying to create build diversity lmao.
Personally? I think this is worse than a cast time. You can crit shields now, most sorcs run 20-22k HP which is like what, 8k shield? ANY stam toon that isn’t bad can easily 1 shot that shield.
This will almost FORCE PvP sorcs to run heavy armor.
This is bs.
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Build Diversity ? hhahahaha. Every sorc out there was running the same build to stack shields to keep with the meta. Now it'll offer more diversity imo.
bull ***.
i've never run meta, never will.
i'm not alone in that, either.
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✭✭I must confess, reading the combat balance changes makes me laugh every time lately.
It is such a comedy since they make combat balance changes that fit April Fools' Day jokes.
Joke example:
A developer in April Fools' Day: " We wanted to make damage shields more balanced in PVP and PVE, so we have decided to cut them in more than half and on top of that they will now receive critical damage!"
The community: "OMG, really ?"
A developer in April Fools' Day: "April fool(s)!".
I wish that those combat "balance" changes(like this unnecessary shield cap) would have been all jokes in April Fools' Day
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Make them rely on something besides shield spamming for once.0 -
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✭✭✭Sorcs had it good to long and now they can't handle the balance
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